Is Hollywood Actually Woke?

[Ford]

(spoiler alert: No)

 

[Politesse]

Of course not. They don't even claim to be. Filmmaking is a business, not a humanitarian enterprise, there are exactly as moral or equitable as its executives believe will be profitable next quarter. Even if the outcomes were the seemingly the same, that wouldn't be "woke". To be woke is to be conscious of the inequitable institutions that confine and define our lives, and at least on some level, refusing to play the game. A corporation cannot be self-aware in this way.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hollywood is often given a bit more credit than do for social justice. Anyone want to talk black face, minimization of blacks in cinema, Sacheen Littlefeather, Harvey Weinstein?

If anyone is woke, it is the angry alt-right audience that is woke. They see "woke" in everything that isn't white or male or straight. They are obsessed with it.

 

[Politesse]

If anyone is woke, it is the angry alt-right audience that is woke. They see "woke" in everything that isn't white or male or straight. They are obsessed with it.

To be "woke" is not just to notice, but to be conscious of what is going on and why.

 

[Elixir]

Woke is just another way to spell "Ewok".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If anyone is woke, it is the angry alt-right audience that is woke. They see "woke" in everything that isn't white or male or straight. They are obsessed with it.

To be "woke" is not just to notice, but to be conscious of what is going on and why.

Just like how the right gave Social Justice Warrior another meaning, woke now has two competing meanings:
1) awareness
2) Anything that isn't Sean Connery's James Bond!!!

 

[thebeave]

Hollywood is often given a bit more credit than do for social justice. Anyone want to talk black face, minimization of blacks in cinema, Sacheen Littlefeather, Harvey Weinstein?

If anyone is woke, it is the angry alt-right audience that is woke. They see "woke" in everything that isn't white or male or straight. They are obsessed with it.

I think you meant to say Marie Louise Cruz, not Sacheen Littlefeather? She's a bigger "Pretendian" than Elizabeth Warren!

Sacheen Littlefeather faked Native American ancestry say family

Sacheen Littlefeather, the activist who famously stood in for Marlon Brando to refuse the best actor Oscar in 1973, faked Native American ancestry, her family have said.

In an article in the San Francisco Chronicle, Littlefeather’s sisters Rosalind Cruz and Trudy Orlandi said that their sister’s claim to have Apache and Yaqui ancestry through her father was “a lie” and “a fantasy”.


Orlandi told the Chronicle: “It’s a lie. My father was who he was. His family came from Mexico. And my dad was born in Oxnard [California].” Cruz added: “It is a fraud. It’s disgusting to the heritage of the tribal people. And it’s just … insulting to my parents.”

 

[Ford]

If anyone is woke, it is the angry alt-right audience that is woke. They see "woke" in everything that isn't white or male or straight. They are obsessed with it.

There's this guy I work with (fortunately not on the same shift anymore) who constantly complains about "Woke" stuff. Unsurprisingly, he subscribes to The Daily Wire and watches Jordan Peterson videos. It takes all I have to not remind him "we work for a San Francisco based tech company that embraces almost everything you hate."

 

[Politesse]

If anyone is woke, it is the angry alt-right audience that is woke. They see "woke" in everything that isn't white or male or straight. They are obsessed with it.

To be "woke" is not just to notice, but to be conscious of what is going on and why.

Just like how the right gave Social Justice Warrior another meaning, woke now has two competing meanings:
1) awareness
2) Anything that isn't Sean Connery's James Bond!!!

Yup. And "CRT", and "Evolution", and "Islam", and "Liberal", and "Marxist", and "Politically Incorrect"... I'm starting to think that they truly believe that publically misunderstanding the meaning of common words and phrases is a solid argument against their validity as concepts.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Oscars went woke last night. Not everyone was white / male and Sarah Polley won an Oscar therefore Woke!!!!

 

[thebeave]

Oscars went woke last night. Not everyone was white / male and Sarah Polley won an Oscar therefore Woke!!!!

People still watch the Oscars? I wonder if they broke the 10 million viewer mark last night (down from over 50 million in the pre-woke '90s). If they can keep giving the hosting job to Jimmy Kimmel, then perhaps they're not as woke as I thought...

 

[marc]

Watched it partially because it actually had movies we liked nominated, for a change. Also had it on because my wife had stuff to do for work, so needed something that only occasionally she could pay attention to.

 

[steve_bank]

As Ed Sullivan would say 'Tonight we have a really big shew....' On of the best entertainment promoters off all time.

I watched a Larry King interview in the 90s with Marlo Brando. Brando commented acting was an easy way to make a loto of money. King got upset saying it is a craft and so on.

It is a biliousness as is the TV Academy Awards. Sell commercials and make money. Make people interested in movies.

Demographics changed. It used to be white blonde women with big tits to attract viewers to the show. Now it is Asians and Blacks..

Now for the generations who never really grow up, awards for comic book animations.

As they say in the crime 'movies 'Its just business nothing persnal;.

Why is there no best porn movie award?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

As Ed Sullivan would say 'Tonight we have a really big shew....' On of the best entertainment promoters off all time.

I watched a Larry King interview in the 90s with Marlo Brando. Brando commented acting was an easy way to make a loto of money. King got upset saying it is a craft and so on.

It is a biliousness as is the TV Academy Awards. Sell commercials and make money. Make people interested in movies.

Demographics changed. It used to be white blonde women with big tits to attract viewers to the show. Now it is Asians and Blacks..

You mean everyone? Plenty of whites in movies still. That is the problem. Some movie has mainly Asians in it, and that means Hollywood is woke, even if every other movie is predominantly white (actor wise) and white/male (Executive producer to director to etc.. wise).

Sarah Polley could have made a fortune in Hollywood if she just accepted what women are supposed to do role wise in Hollywood. She took the hard path, the much harder path.

Now for the generations who never really grow up, awards for comic book animations.

Man, must be a lot of kids on your lawn today.

As they say in the crime 'movies 'Its just business nothing persnal;.

*rolls eyes* Letting other people exist in movies seems a far cry from "its just business".

 

[Elixir]

I despise ritualized, extravagant self congratulation by overpaid insecure performers.
But it obviously makes some people feel better, and some are entertained, so far be it from me to deprive anyone.

 

[WAB]

I think Hollywood is anything but woke. Its glorification of guns and violence is sickening.

 

[steve_bank]

As Ed Sullivan would say 'Tonight we have a really big shew....' On of the best entertainment promoters off all time.

I watched a Larry King interview in the 90s with Marlo Brando. Brando commented acting was an easy way to make a loto of money. King got upset saying it is a craft and so on.

It is a biliousness as is the TV Academy Awards. Sell commercials and make money. Make people interested in movies.

Demographics changed. It used to be white blonde women with big tits to attract viewers to the show. Now it is Asians and Blacks..

You mean everyone? Plenty of whites in movies still. That is the problem. Some movie has mainly Asians in it, and that means Hollywood is woke, even if every other movie is predominantly white (actor wise) and white/male (Executive producer to director to etc.. wise).

Sarah Polley could have made a fortune in Hollywood if she just accepted what women are supposed to do role wise in Hollywood. She took the hard path, the much harder path.

Now for the generations who never really grow up, awards for comic book animations.

Man, must be a lot of kids on your lawn today.

As they say in the crime 'movies 'Its just business nothing persnal;.

*rolls eyes* Letting other people exist in movies seems a far cry from "its just business".

Hollywood from the get go was about marketing and crating popular inages of stars. It was called the 'star system'. Acors and acresses(not pc today) were under cntract to a studio. The studio controlled the image. The lives of actors under contract were scripted for the public. A gay Rock Hudson who plated hetero masculine roles had an arranged sham marriage for public imagery. I think it was the same for Tab Hunter. Culture was homophobic.

Was Rock Hudson married to Elizabeth Taylor?
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The marriage was an attempt to cover up Hudson's homosexuality, which, despite being an open secret, was taboo in mid-century Hollywood. Taylor and Hudson became inseparable. They traveled together and accompanied one other to events, dances and award ceremonies.May 3, 2022

Now couture is becoming less homophobic and less whte centric and Holywood plays to the new demographic. It's just business as usual.

UA was founded to get actors out from under the control of the major studios.

United Artists - Wikipedia

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United Artists Corporation (UA), doing business as United Artists Digital Studios, was an American production and distribution company. Founded in 1919 by D. W. Griffith, Charlie Chaplin, Mary Pickford, and Douglas Fairbanks, the studio was premised on allowing actors to control their own interests, rather than being dependent upon commercial studios.[2] UA was repeatedly bought, sold, and restructured over the ensuing century. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM) acquired the studio in 1981 for a reported $350 million ($1 billion today).[3]

On September 22, 2014, MGM acquired a controlling interest in entertainment companies One Three Media and Lightworkers Media, then merged them to revive United Artists' television production unit as United Artists Media Group (UAMG). However, on December 14 of the following year, MGM wholly acquired UAMG and folded it into MGM Television.[4]

In past years the Academy Award show has paid people to fill up the audience and make noise.

Anybody who believes the Hollywood images is taking a movie set facade as real. The tabloid pop culture of movie actors as seen on TV is shallow hype. No different than the Hollywood tabloid hype and gossip of the 30s,40s, 50s and 60s.

Some I remember. They wielded power over actors and studios.

Hedda Hopper - Wikipedia

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Hedda Hopper (born Elda Furry; May 2, 1885 – February 1, 1966) was an American gossip columnist and actress. At the height of her influence in the 1940s, her readership was 35 million. A strong supporter of the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) hearings, Hopper named suspected communists and was a major proponent of the Hollywood blacklist. Hopper continued to write gossip until the end of her life, her work appearing in many magazines and later on radio. She had an extended feud with another gossip columnist, arch-rival Louella Parsons.

Walter Winchell - Wikipedia

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Walter Winchell (April 7, 1897 – February 20, 1972) was a syndicated American newspaper gossip columnist and radio news commentator. Originally a vaudeville performer, Winchell began his newspaper career as a Broadway reporter, critic and columnist for New York tabloids. He rose to national celebrity in the 1930s with Hearst newspaper chain syndication and a popular radio program. He was known for an innovative style of gossipy staccato news briefs, jokes and Jazz Age slang. Biographer Neal Gabler claimed that his popularity and influence "turned journalism into a form of entertainment".[1]

He uncovered both hard news and embarrassing stories about famous people by exploiting his exceptionally wide circle of contacts, first in the entertainment world and the Prohibition era underworld, then in law enforcement and politics. He was known for trading gossip, sometimes in return for his silence. His outspoken style made him both feared and admired. Novels and movies were based on his wisecracking gossip columnist persona, as early as the play and film Blessed Event in 1932. As World War II approached in the 1930s, he attacked the appeasers of Nazism, then in the 1950s he aligned with Joseph McCarthy in his campaign against communists. He damaged the reputation of Josephine Baker as well as other individuals who had earned his enmity. However, the McCarthy connection in time made him unfashionable, and his style did not adapt well to television news.

 

[Rhea]

Now couture is becoming less homophobic and less whte centric and Holywood plays to the new demographic. It's just business as usual.

So I hear you saying that back then, the only people with money were white males, and so hollywood catered to them. Now that the barriers to money are being broken down for women and non-whites, hollywood continues to cater to the money.

Except that now the money doesn’t always want the same thing. That’s not “woke,” that’s capitalism.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Unfortunately, the entertainment industry is moving towards “easy money” and not putting in enough creative work to try to earn new money. Case in point: Indiana Jones 5 and the revival of so many old franchises. See Disney just making live action remakes of old animated features.

I wouldn’t mind “woke” storylines if they were written well.

 

[thebeave]

I don't see how you could say its not woke:

ACADEMY ESTABLISHES REPRESENTATION AND INCLUSION STANDARDS FOR OSCARS® ELIGIBILITY

Today, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences announced new representation and inclusion standards for Oscars® eligibility in the Best Picture category, as part of its Academy Aperture 2025 initiative. The standards are designed to encourage equitable representation on and off screen in order to better reflect the diversity of the movie-going audience. Academy governors DeVon Franklin and Jim Gianopulos headed a task force to develop the standards that were created from a template inspired by the British Film Institute (BFI) Diversity Standards used for certain funding eligibility in the UK and eligibility in some categories of the British Academy of Film and Television (BAFTA) Awards, but were adapted to serve the specific needs of the Academy. The Academy also consulted with the Producers Guild of America (PGA), as it presently does for Oscars eligibility.

I think this is going to be disaster. Qualified and experienced white, heterosexual and/or males are going to be passed over for jobs in the industry in favor of less qualified people, but who check the right boxes. There's just not going to be enough qualified non-whites available when every movie studio and production company is scrambling to hire people to make a movie that's going to be considered for Best Picture. Not to mention why would any white, hetero and/or male now choose a career in film production when their job prospects are so diminished and they are considered a pariah? And what do you do about movies that are based on historical events that featured mostly white people? Like, say another film about Titanic? Is Molly Brown going to be Chinese now? Maybe the Captain will be a deaf, Lesbian Eskimo. Yay, progress.

Richard Dreyfuss is not having it: