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The right has no concept of education. The tweet contains no porn, it's just the tweeter doesn't understand. What's the harm in knowing about butt plugs??

What's really strange about this is the idea that the kids are captive.
It's the internet era, like it or not. Kids aren't captives any more.

They've got devices that access all kinds of things, including butt plugs. Talking to them frankly about such things, rather than protecting your own ignorance about the modern world, is better for them than protecting your illusions about their innocence.
Tom
Back in my youth we could get porn mags and videos. That doesn’t mean it belongs in school. Teachers who want to sexualize children should not be teachers.
You're confusing information with sexualization. That's a page describing how to use a butt plug. So what? I see no sexualization.
 
in my youth we could get porn mags and videos. That doesn’t mean it belongs in school. Teachers who want to sexualize children should not be teachers.

Yeah, you and I both rode dinosaurs to school everyday. In the snow.
Uphill both directions.

I'm pointing out that the current reality is very different from the olden days.

Too many kids know about stuff, and talk amongst their friends, to think that pretending it's still 1975 is going to work.
Tom
It didn't work very well in 1975, either.
 
It didn't work very well in 1975, either.
No, it really didn't.

I got pregnant around 1980 because my girlfriend and I had an uninformed understanding of the rhythm method.

You what to call people who use the rhythm method of birth control?
Parents.
Tom
 
You're basically admitting you have no basis for your position.
There’s no objective basis to distinguish a gender atypical child as simply gender non-conforming, e.g., a tomboy, gay/lesbian, or trans. But the immediate assumption of the trans lobby is to “affirm” that the child as trans; even though the likelihood of that being the case is exceedingly small. Please, leave the kids alone.
Why not listen to what they say?
Exactly. Like, I'm pretty easily the most radical "trans lobby" person here who actually posts on the subject here, and I keep saying assuming the gender of kids for them is abusive.

I would think it appropriate for any child to be "they" before they start correcting you or offering up their own choices; and if they do so, have a few conversations over time with them about hormones, what they do to people, and that people can go with whatever they want, but most people go with what they have, and that's good if only because that's less bother for everyone.

The point is that this is NOT "affirming the child is trans" and whisking them off to a basement under a pizza party to rape the brain juice from them and cut off their balls or whatever it is The Daily Fail is reporting lately.

Rather it's about spotting relative atypicality, and letting the atypical person sort it out and tell you who they are without trying to force it on them.
 
Porn is not an effective education in sexual safety or responsibility.
This. We need sex ed to counter the false messages.

I would take bets on the percentage of anal hernias that come in because someone doesn't know how to stick in a buttplug, vs all other anal fissure types.

I would be willing to put even money that no less than 90% of anal injuries happen because of improper preparation, lubrication, and use of force.
I would be more concerned with the lost objects--ER visits and sometimes even surgery to retrieve them.

The only people who would object to that in my mind are either idiots who have injured themselves putting things in their asses and think that you can prevent someone under the age of 25 from doing something by telling them not to, or idiots who have put things in their ass and injured themselves, and who want to watch other people fall in the same trap so as to not feel so shitty about their butthurt.
No, you're missing the group that wants to make sex other than between married couples and for the purpose of procreation dangerous. Someone getting hurt sticking something up their ass is a feature!
 
Porn is not an effective education in sexual safety or responsibility.
This. We need sex ed to counter the false messages.

I would take bets on the percentage of anal hernias that come in because someone doesn't know how to stick in a buttplug, vs all other anal fissure types.

I would be willing to put even money that no less than 90% of anal injuries happen because of improper preparation, lubrication, and use of force.
I would be more concerned with the lost objects--ER visits and sometimes even surgery to retrieve them.

The only people who would object to that in my mind are either idiots who have injured themselves putting things in their asses and think that you can prevent someone under the age of 25 from doing something by telling them not to, or idiots who have put things in their ass and injured themselves, and who want to watch other people fall in the same trap so as to not feel so shitty about their butthurt.
No, you're missing the group that wants to make sex other than between married couples and for the purpose of procreation dangerous. Someone getting hurt sticking something up their ass is a feature!
Maybe... People resenting others having fun with something they feel... Butthurt... Over.

Maybe with less butthurt going around, folks will chill out.
 
I don't know, maybe because being trans would make her one of the cool kids, or because she perceives that boys get treated better than girls, or because she's a depressed alienated teenager and she latched onto it when somebody suggested she might really a boy, or because she's a lesbian and heard that means she has a male brain, or any number of other possibilities. The point is, "The social acceptance of homosexuality doesn't give me the slightest desire to have sex with another man. The social acceptance of transgenderism doesn't give me the slightest desire to be a woman." is a weak argument -- people are all different and they might not think like you'd think when you put yourself in their shoes.
You're basically admitting you have no basis for your position. It's just fear.
I'm basically admitting you made a poor argument. I'm basically admitting you drew a conclusion about a whole subpopulation by inspecting one example who wasn't even drawn from that subpopulation. I'm basically admitting your reliance on armchair science is unwarranted. And I'm basically admitting if your position were correct then it would be a surprising anomaly for detransitioners to exist.
You're the one who made her part of the supposed population.

You aren't showing anyone actually harmed.
 
I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.
It's not something that needs to be covered. That's no reason it shouldn't be available, though. Classroom schedule, no--library, yes. A high school library should have the full gamut of sex ed material.
 
I don't know, maybe because being trans would make her one of the cool kids, or because she perceives that boys get treated better than girls, or because she's a depressed alienated teenager and she latched onto it when somebody suggested she might really a boy, or because she's a lesbian and heard that means she has a male brain, or any number of other possibilities. The point is, "The social acceptance of homosexuality doesn't give me the slightest desire to have sex with another man. The social acceptance of transgenderism doesn't give me the slightest desire to be a woman." is a weak argument -- people are all different and they might not think like you'd think when you put yourself in their shoes.
You're basically admitting you have no basis for your position. It's just fear.
I'm basically admitting you made a poor argument. I'm basically admitting you drew a conclusion about a whole subpopulation by inspecting one example who wasn't even drawn from that subpopulation. I'm basically admitting your reliance on armchair science is unwarranted. And I'm basically admitting if your position were correct then it would be a surprising anomaly for detransitioners to exist.
You're the one who made her part of the supposed population.

You aren't showing anyone actually harmed.
Generally, practical approaches would simply have her puberty interrupted for about 6 months before she inevitably desists.

Note, yet again, this is not rushing off to get her affirmed and pizza partied or whatever. In fact it sure looks like "pressing X for 'doubt'".
 
I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.
It's not something that needs to be covered. That's no reason it shouldn't be available, though. Classroom schedule, no--library, yes. A high school library should have the full gamut of sex ed material.
I would tend to agree with this, but the anal safety part is pretty universal, and fairly important to address.

As to books in the library: "everyone knows what's on the shelf back here, nobody cares you are reading it, whatever you are reading", where whatever things like "glossary of insertables" and "comparative properties of lube types" and "horror stories about mixing silicone toys and silicone lubricants" are stored.
 
I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.
It's not something that needs to be covered. That's no reason it shouldn't be available, though. Classroom schedule, no--library, yes. A high school library should have the full gamut of sex ed material.
I would tend to agree with this, but the anal safety part is pretty universal, and fairly important to address.

As to books in the library: "everyone knows what's on the shelf back here, nobody cares you are reading it, whatever you are reading", where whatever things like "glossary of insertables" and "comparative properties of lube types" and "horror stories about mixing silicone toys and silicone lubricants" are stored.
Girls in middle school and high school are already pressured to engage in sex acts that they are not ready for, and that do not give them pleasure. I am fairly certain that this is also true of at least some boys. Introducing butt plugs to teenagers is unlikely to do anything except increase the pressure on teenage girls. You know: half of the student body.

Please think about te countless hours that teachers, administrators, parents and press will spend discussing this particular topic which would really better be spent discussing how to ensure that kids have a decent comprehensive education, know how to read and write and do math and understand science and government and how their bodies work in general.
 
I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.
It's not something that needs to be covered. That's no reason it shouldn't be available, though. Classroom schedule, no--library, yes. A high school library should have the full gamut of sex ed material.
I'm not entirely sure that a high school library needs a comprehensive sex manual. I'm 100% certain I spend more time with teenagers and more time more recently than you do. Unfortunately, it could simply create additional controversy for already beleaguered school districts and also increase pressure on students who are not yet ready for sex to engage in practices they aren't ready for or willing to engage in.

I'm certain that we are all aware of how much pressure a lot of girls get in middle school to provide oral sex to.....any boy who asks them, while getting nothing in return except a brief illusion of popularity or even more remotely, affection. Why add this? I truly do believe that any store that sells sex toys should also insist that all sex toys come with comprehensive manuals.
 
You're basically admitting you have no basis for your position.
There’s no objective basis to distinguish a gender atypical child as simply gender non-conforming, e.g., a tomboy, gay/lesbian, or trans. But the immediate assumption of the trans lobby is to “affirm” that the child as trans; even though the likelihood of that being the case is exceedingly small. Please, leave the kids alone.
The right has no concept of education. The tweet contains no porn, it's just the tweeter doesn't understand. What's the harm in knowing about butt plugs??

What's really strange about this is the idea that the kids are captive.
It's the internet era, like it or not. Kids aren't captives any more.

They've got devices that access all kinds of things, including butt plugs. Talking to them frankly about such things, rather than protecting your own ignorance about the modern world, is better for them than protecting your illusions about their innocence.
Tom
Back in my youth we could get porn mags and videos. That doesn’t mean it belongs in school. Teachers who want to sexualize children should not be teachers.
You keep harping on "teachers who want to sexualize children". What on earth are you jabbering about?
There are adults in this every thread who want to "teach" kids about butt plugs.
No one said anyone wants to teach kids about butt plugs. I said kids practice anal sex and they should know how to do so safely.

You have a very irritating habit of misrepresenting the views of others. Just letting you know it has not gone unnoticed.
 
I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.
It's not something that needs to be covered. That's no reason it shouldn't be available, though. Classroom schedule, no--library, yes. A high school library should have the full gamut of sex ed material.
I would tend to agree with this, but the anal safety part is pretty universal, and fairly important to address.

As to books in the library: "everyone knows what's on the shelf back here, nobody cares you are reading it, whatever you are reading", where whatever things like "glossary of insertables" and "comparative properties of lube types" and "horror stories about mixing silicone toys and silicone lubricants" are stored.
Girls in middle school and high school are already pressured to engage in sex acts that they are not ready for, and that do not give them pleasure. I am fairly certain that this is also true of at least some boys. Introducing butt plugs to teenagers is unlikely to do anything except increase the pressure on teenage girls. You know: half of the student body.

Please think about te countless hours that teachers, administrators, parents and press will spend discussing this particular topic which would really better be spent discussing how to ensure that kids have a decent comprehensive education, know how to read and write and do math and understand science and government and how their bodies work in general.
So, fail to discuss the elephant in the room that is reproductive safety and, also which happen to a discussion that largely DELAYS sexual activity because some people want to keep their kids ignorant and think that ignorance will keep their kids "straight".

One thing I think people have a right to is knowledge of how to operate their bodies and minds.

To be fair, I learned a lot from a book on tantric sex my best friend at the time stole from his mom.

Knowing that people born without what is considered a "prostate gland" have very little interest and are unlikely to get any sexual stimulation from anal sex at all, there are in fact strong opportunities in the discussion of "clean, lube, do not force" to point out that putting something in someone's ass, especially after that person said no, but even when they merely did not say yes, is rape, and that there is no point in asking if it's just going to be an absolutely selfish and one-sided request for someone else's pleasure.
 
I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.
It's not something that needs to be covered. That's no reason it shouldn't be available, though. Classroom schedule, no--library, yes. A high school library should have the full gamut of sex ed material.
I would tend to agree with this, but the anal safety part is pretty universal, and fairly important to address.

As to books in the library: "everyone knows what's on the shelf back here, nobody cares you are reading it, whatever you are reading", where whatever things like "glossary of insertables" and "comparative properties of lube types" and "horror stories about mixing silicone toys and silicone lubricants" are stored.
Girls in middle school and high school are already pressured to engage in sex acts that they are not ready for, and that do not give them pleasure. I am fairly certain that this is also true of at least some boys. Introducing butt plugs to teenagers is unlikely to do anything except increase the pressure on teenage girls. You know: half of the student body.

Please think about te countless hours that teachers, administrators, parents and press will spend discussing this particular topic which would really better be spent discussing how to ensure that kids have a decent comprehensive education, know how to read and write and do math and understand science and government and how their bodies work in general.
So, fail to discuss the elephant in the room that is reproductive safety and, also which happen to a discussion that largely DELAYS sexual activity because some people want to keep their kids ignorant and think that ignorance will keep their kids "straight".

One thing I think people have a right to is knowledge of how to operate their bodies and minds.

To be fair, I learned a lot from a book on tantric sex my best friend at the time stole from his mom.

Knowing that people born without what is considered a "prostate gland" have very little interest and are unlikely to get any sexual stimulation from anal sex at all, there are in fact strong opportunities in the discussion of "clean, lube, do not force" to point out that putting something in someone's ass, especially after that person said no, but even when they merely did not say yes, is rape, and that there is no point in asking if it's just going to be an absolutely selfish and one-sided request for someone else's pleasure.
Not at all. Kids in high school ( and younger) do not need additional pressure to engage in more sexual acts, including ones which are unlikely to give pleasure to at least half of the students.

You are really presuming far more ability for teens to navigate their own sexuality much less deal with the interest of others in pursuing their own pleasure irrespective of the feelings and needs ( physical, emotional, sexual) of others. Even more than sex, there is an enormous amount of social pressure, and other power dynamics at that age, without the experience and emotional maturity to navigate this new and ever changing miasma of feeling, expectations, responsibilities, needs. Frankly, the pressure for girls to perform unreciprocated oral sex is more than enough pressure.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with letting some information be discovered after high school.
 
I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.
It's not something that needs to be covered. That's no reason it shouldn't be available, though. Classroom schedule, no--library, yes. A high school library should have the full gamut of sex ed material.
I would tend to agree with this, but the anal safety part is pretty universal, and fairly important to address.

As to books in the library: "everyone knows what's on the shelf back here, nobody cares you are reading it, whatever you are reading", where whatever things like "glossary of insertables" and "comparative properties of lube types" and "horror stories about mixing silicone toys and silicone lubricants" are stored.
Girls in middle school and high school are already pressured to engage in sex acts that they are not ready for, and that do not give them pleasure. I am fairly certain that this is also true of at least some boys. Introducing butt plugs to teenagers is unlikely to do anything except increase the pressure on teenage girls. You know: half of the student body.

Please think about te countless hours that teachers, administrators, parents and press will spend discussing this particular topic which would really better be spent discussing how to ensure that kids have a decent comprehensive education, know how to read and write and do math and understand science and government and how their bodies work in general.
So, fail to discuss the elephant in the room that is reproductive safety and, also which happen to a discussion that largely DELAYS sexual activity because some people want to keep their kids ignorant and think that ignorance will keep their kids "straight".

One thing I think people have a right to is knowledge of how to operate their bodies and minds.

To be fair, I learned a lot from a book on tantric sex my best friend at the time stole from his mom.

Knowing that people born without what is considered a "prostate gland" have very little interest and are unlikely to get any sexual stimulation from anal sex at all, there are in fact strong opportunities in the discussion of "clean, lube, do not force" to point out that putting something in someone's ass, especially after that person said no, but even when they merely did not say yes, is rape, and that there is no point in asking if it's just going to be an absolutely selfish and one-sided request for someone else's pleasure.
Not at all. Kids in high school ( and younger) do not need additional pressure to engage in more sexual acts, including ones which are unlikely to give pleasure to at least half of the students.

You are really presuming far more ability for teens to navigate their own sexuality much less deal with the interest of others in pursuing their own pleasure irrespective of the feelings and needs ( physical, emotional, sexual) of others. Even more than sex, there is an enormous amount of social pressure, and other power dynamics at that age, without the experience and emotional maturity to navigate this new and ever changing miasma of feeling, expectations, responsibilities, needs. Frankly, the pressure for girls to perform unreciprocated oral sex is more than enough pressure.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with letting some information be discovered after high school.
If you think for a second that people will not put things in their asses because they haven't been told much about it, you are very very sorely mistaken.

Sex Ed is where that discussion of not pressuring others happens, usually when discussing things that folks pressure each other on. It lets a narrative define the act of pressure already before it happens as a villainous act that will render consequences.

Again, you won't help keep people from pressuring folks into doing things they don't want to do with more ignorance.

Discussions have to be had with high schoolers, in a decently sized group so nobody can pretend they didn't hear it, about pressuring people into sex acts they don't want.

But keeping students ignorant of the things they need to know to avoid injuring their own body is going to lead to unnecessary, embarrassing, and often untreated injuries.
 
I’d think that butt plugs really do not have any place in a school (pre-K thru 12) curriculum. There’s a lot of information and a lot of concepts to cover. Basic, age appropriate sex education along the lines of reproduction and the basics of sexuality and that people come in many varieties of capacity for sexual attraction and gender expression plus the basics of birth control and disease prevention are quite sufficient for school settings and considerably more than most schools actually do. Sex education should focus on the biology.
It's not something that needs to be covered. That's no reason it shouldn't be available, though. Classroom schedule, no--library, yes. A high school library should have the full gamut of sex ed material.
I would tend to agree with this, but the anal safety part is pretty universal, and fairly important to address.

As to books in the library: "everyone knows what's on the shelf back here, nobody cares you are reading it, whatever you are reading", where whatever things like "glossary of insertables" and "comparative properties of lube types" and "horror stories about mixing silicone toys and silicone lubricants" are stored.
Girls in middle school and high school are already pressured to engage in sex acts that they are not ready for, and that do not give them pleasure. I am fairly certain that this is also true of at least some boys. Introducing butt plugs to teenagers is unlikely to do anything except increase the pressure on teenage girls. You know: half of the student body.

Please think about te countless hours that teachers, administrators, parents and press will spend discussing this particular topic which would really better be spent discussing how to ensure that kids have a decent comprehensive education, know how to read and write and do math and understand science and government and how their bodies work in general.
So, fail to discuss the elephant in the room that is reproductive safety and, also which happen to a discussion that largely DELAYS sexual activity because some people want to keep their kids ignorant and think that ignorance will keep their kids "straight".

One thing I think people have a right to is knowledge of how to operate their bodies and minds.

To be fair, I learned a lot from a book on tantric sex my best friend at the time stole from his mom.

Knowing that people born without what is considered a "prostate gland" have very little interest and are unlikely to get any sexual stimulation from anal sex at all, there are in fact strong opportunities in the discussion of "clean, lube, do not force" to point out that putting something in someone's ass, especially after that person said no, but even when they merely did not say yes, is rape, and that there is no point in asking if it's just going to be an absolutely selfish and one-sided request for someone else's pleasure.
Not at all. Kids in high school ( and younger) do not need additional pressure to engage in more sexual acts, including ones which are unlikely to give pleasure to at least half of the students.

You are really presuming far more ability for teens to navigate their own sexuality much less deal with the interest of others in pursuing their own pleasure irrespective of the feelings and needs ( physical, emotional, sexual) of others. Even more than sex, there is an enormous amount of social pressure, and other power dynamics at that age, without the experience and emotional maturity to navigate this new and ever changing miasma of feeling, expectations, responsibilities, needs. Frankly, the pressure for girls to perform unreciprocated oral sex is more than enough pressure.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with letting some information be discovered after high school.
If you think for a second that people will not put things in their asses because they haven't been told much about it, you are very very sorely mistaken.

Sex Ed is where that discussion of not pressuring others happens, usually when discussing things that folks pressure each other on. It lets a narrative define the act of pressure already before it happens as a villainous act that will render consequences.

Again, you won't help keep people from pressuring folks into doing things they don't want to do with more ignorance.

Discussions have to be had with high schoolers, in a decently sized group so nobody can pretend they didn't hear it, about pressuring people into sex acts they don't want.

But keeping students ignorant of the things they need to know to avoid injuring their own body is going to lead to unnecessary, embarrassing, and often untreated injuries.
Of course I don’t think that people must be told about something before they try it out.

Which is a huge part of the point. Those so inclined will discover their own paths to pleasure.

A basic: if it hurts, don’t do it is comprehensive and sufficient,
 
Not at all. Kids in high school ( and younger) do not need additional pressure to engage in more sexual acts, including ones which are unlikely to give pleasure to at least half of the students.

You are really presuming far more ability for teens to navigate their own sexuality much less deal with the interest of others in pursuing their own pleasure irrespective of the feelings and needs ( physical, emotional, sexual) of others. Even more than sex, there is an enormous amount of social pressure, and other power dynamics at that age, without the experience and emotional maturity to navigate this new and ever changing miasma of feeling, expectations, responsibilities, needs. Frankly, the pressure for girls to perform unreciprocated oral sex is more than enough pressure.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with letting some information be discovered after high school.
Reality: Sex ed on average delays the age of first intercourse.
 
Of course I don’t think that people must be told about something before they try it out.

Which is a huge part of the point. Those so inclined will discover their own paths to pleasure.

A basic: if it hurts, don’t do it is comprehensive and sufficient,
Which doesn't address anal safety 101: Nothing goes up there that doesn't have a flared base. That's a safety rule that needs to be taught, not learned the hard way.
 
Girls in middle school and high school are already pressured to engage in sex acts that they are not ready for, and that do not give them pleasure. I am fairly certain that this is also true of at least some boys. Introducing butt plugs to teenagers is unlikely to do anything except increase the pressure on teenage girls. You know: half of the student body.

Please think about te countless hours that teachers, administrators, parents and press will spend discussing this particular topic which would really better be spent discussing how to ensure that kids have a decent comprehensive education, know how to read and write and do math and understand science and government and how their bodies work in general.
How is there any pressure from the library having a book that talks about butt plugs? (And presumably other sex toys but I haven't looked for the context the page was in.)
 
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