My Vision Of Gun Control In The USA

[Loren Pechtel]

At the risk of teaching my grandmother to suck eggs are the existing gun laws, pathetic as they maybe, being enforced?
There is little to be gained by adding new laws to already unenforced ones.

Could you point out which laws were not enforced that had they been enforced would have prevented any of the recent mass shootings? Uvalde for example? Which law wasn’t enforced there?

I don’t understand the logic behind argument.

We've had a case not too long ago where the guy should have been ineligible to buy a gun but the military didn't send the information on.

 

[Jarhyn]

One of the huge problems is that guns are easy to steal, hide, smuggle, and transfer with no paper trail whatsoever. The people we don't want to have access won't be bothered by the niceties of Newsome's efforts.

It's kinda the problem Chicago has. Big problems with gun violence resulted in strict gun control laws. But that only affects law abiding citizens of Chicago. Here in Indiana, which includes southern Chicago, guns are easily available. People who don't much care about the law can easily drive here, buy weapons that are illegal to buy in Chicago, and go right back up the road.

Chicago effectively disarmed law abiding folks, while Indiana kept arming criminals. We can all see the results.
Tom

It's not just Indiana. Drugs get in, it's even easier to bring guns in because there is no smell for a dog to home in on.

It is effectively impossible to disarm criminals, all we can do is balance inconveniencing criminals with inconveniencing the law abiding. Look at how badly the drug war has gone for society, think a gun war would do any better?

Time and criminality disarms criminals.

Guns have a limited shelf life once they have been used in a crime.

If the same gun starts popping up in a number of crimes, that will expose a number of factors.

Every time something like that happens, the gun has to be replaced.

You are simply wrong in asserting nothing will allow us to disarm criminals.

Sane gun regulations would do the trick. Maybe not immediately, but promptly enough.

 

[bilby]

Look at how badly the drug war has gone for society, think a gun war would do any better?

Yes, it would. Nobody's addicted to guns (despite appearances in some cases).

 

[Tigers!]

At the risk of teaching my grandmother to suck eggs are the existing gun laws, pathetic as they maybe, being enforced?
There is little to be gained by adding new laws to already unenforced ones.

Could you point out which laws were not enforced that had they been enforced would have prevented any of the recent mass shootings? Uvalde for example? Which law wasn’t enforced there?

I don’t understand the logic behind argument.

Tigers means well IMO, but tends to assume things about the US society and legal system that just are not so. The question

are the existing gun laws, pathetic as they maybe, being enforced?'

I am not implying. I am asking.

... wants to imply that there are sufficient laws on the books to mitigate US gun violence, but they're not being enforced. That is not the case. For example - there are illegal guns all over the fucking place. If the laws against those guns were enforced there would be no illegal guns on the street and gun violence would be lessened. But it's not like someone can just take a decision to magically make illegal guns disappear. Illegal guns are confiscated when discovered, and sought out when suspected. But they're ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE, and there are not enough cops in the world to ferret out all the illegal guns in the US. I invite @Tigers! to come on over and enforce those laws, or design some system that can mitigate the ubiquity of illegal guns without new laws doing away with all freedoms like rights against random search and seizure.

 

[Elixir]

are the existing gun laws, pathetic as they maybe, being enforced?'

I am not implying. I am asking.

Then the answer is yes. Existing laws are enforced as possible. We need new laws.

 

[Tigers!]

are the existing gun laws, pathetic as they maybe, being enforced?'

I am not implying. I am asking.

Then the answer is yes. Existing laws are enforced as possible. We need new laws.

Then go for it.

I eagerly await these new tough laws.

 

[Elixir]

I eagerly await these new tough laws.

Most of us are with you, waiting eagerly for at least a few Republicans to shake themselves free of the NRA gravy train of Rubles and vote for sensible gun reform. We’ve been waiting for decades.