How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Jayjay]

Which makes Russia's "we're fighting nazis!" propaganda even more bizarre.

Sure, tell that to german journalist who grilled now former ukrainian ambassador about Bandera.

So what? Russia is the country that is acting like Nazi Germany today.

Putin's dislike of Bandera isn't because he was a nazi, it's because he fought against the Soviet Union, and was assassinated by the KGB. Ukrainian nationalists making Bandera a martyr pisses Putin off because it makes KGB look like chumps.

 

[Jayjay]

And once again, your media is lying to you. For all intents and purposes Ukraine is done, three times over.

It only exists because the West sends weapons and money to the corrupt terrorist regime.

Someone who repeats Russian propaganda without a shred of critical thinking, accusing the "western media" for lying is rather daft. We here in the free world get our information from multitude of sources, and have much wider variety of opinion than your fascist, totalitarian country. The western media is filled with stories critical of Ukraine's chances. Meanwhile in Russia, even people like you have have access to the internet seem to only watch the dumbest pro-Russian propaganda channels on youtube.

You are correct though, that Ukraine only exists because we are helping them fight the invaders. And that's what makes it worthwhile. Russia may have conquered 20% of the country, but we saved the other 80%. And hopefully stopped Putin's imperial ambitions in other countries as well.

Bullshit, it's you who repeat garbage propaganda from corrupt western media.
You always ignore my sources, which by the way include some independent western ones. YOU are the bad guys, not Russia.
Ukraine will be liberated from nazi scum you support in order to destroy Russia.

I ignore your "sources", because they are garbage. Take the Jeffrey Sachs interview for example. Here's what that channel looks like:



It's a barrage of anti-Ukrainian, anti-western propaganda with familiar faces like convicted pederast Scott Ritter and disgraced lawyer Alexander Mercouris. And now apparently, Jeffrey Sachs. His economic credentials may be sound, but when it comes to geopolitics he's just spouting off the same tired old conspiracy theories about Nuland and Nord Stream, with zero evidence to back it up.

And some youtube commentators are not "sources". They're at best opinionated idiots, at worst paid propagandists.

 

[Jayjay]

President for life Pootie. We don't need no steenking democracy!

......
A spokesperson for the Kremlin said this week that Russia "theoretically" doesn't need to hold presidential elections next year because it's "obvious" that Vladimir Putin will win.

Dmitry Peskov, Putin's chief spokesperson, described Russia's presidential election as "not really democracy" but "costly bureaucracy" in an interview with The New York Times over the weekend.
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Kremlin says Russia 'theoretically' doesn't need to hold elections next year because it's 'obvious' Putin will win

Putin has maintained his grip on power by imprisoning opponents, cracking down on the press, and approving changes that allow him to stay in office until 2036.

www.businessinsider.com

They'll hold the elections precisely because it's just for show.

Ukraine on the other hand postponed it's own parliamentary elections that were scheduled for this fall. It makes sense, but it also takes Ukraine one step closer to being a country like Lebanon that constantly postpones elections with the pretext of civil unrest. It will be interesting to see what Ukraine does in 2025 for its presidential elections. The war is likely still going on then, or they might be in the middle of forced peace negotiations, with 20% of their land being occupied and millions having escaped abroad.

 

[Jayjay]

There seem to be footage and photos of some type of artillery shells or casings found near the blast site.

Night vision goggles don't blow up like that, not even Russian ones. I think it's quite possible that this factory was making ammunition and the the "optics" were just for... optics.

 

[Jayjay]

Conscription is not recruiting.

Yes, that's why I said recruiting.

Interestingly, some of these recruits are complaining that they're not getting paid as promised:



Could it be that governors have been recruiting people with false promises to meet their quotas?

Appealing to the president who fucked them over in the first place is endearingly naive though. They'll probably get sent to Bakhmut trenches in the next bus out.

 

[barbos]

A brit who is not a piece of shit, that's very rare nowdays:

 

[barbos]

I ignore your "sources", because they are garbage. Take the Jeffrey Sachs interview for example

Really? Jeffrey Sachs is garbage and current US administration consisting of bus boys and fuck the EU Nuland are not?
And "lets make fake chemical attack video" BBC is a good source? really?
You are seriously comparing that punk Jake Sullivan to Jeffrey Sachs?

 

[SLD]

Interesting analysis of Ukraine’s counter offensive.

How the Ukraine Counteroffensive Can Still Succeed

The Ukrainian counteroffensive is going slow, but success is still possible

time.com

it can succeed, but it’s a tough nut to crack.

 

[Elixir]

Could it be that governors have been recruiting people with false promises to meet their quotas?

In Russia, "false promises" is a redundancy.

 

[TSwizzle]

ffs, Brandon is going to ask for another $25 BILLION to throw at the Ukraine;

President Joe Biden intends to submit a supplemental funding request of at least $25 billion to Congress, according to a person familiar with the plans, setting up a possible showdown with Republicans less willing to provide further financial support for the war in Ukraine.

News

 

[TomC]

ffs, Brandon is going to ask for another $25 BILLION to throw at the Ukraine;

President Joe Biden intends to submit a supplemental funding request of at least $25 billion to Congress, according to a person familiar with the plans, setting up a possible showdown with Republicans less willing to provide further financial support for the war in Ukraine.

News

You seem to think $25B is a lot of money.

I'm sure the Feds could easily replace that with a short term war tax on imports from Russian allies like China and India.
Say, 5% import duties for a month.
Tom

 

[bilby]

A brit who is not a piece of shit, that's very rare nowdays:

I don't even need to click the "play" button to know that this is utter garbage; The use of the initialism "MSM" is a certain indication of it.

Any source whose focus is telling you what or who not to believe, is almost certainly a waste of your valuable time. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" is an upfront admission of fraud.

Sources that tell you stuff, might well be wrong, or lying, or downright crazy. But sources that try to un-tell you stuff that others have told you, are invariably terrified by the possibility that you might see through their lies.

No honest source (not even honest-but-mistaken sources) need to tell you not to believe their opposition; Certainly not to the extent that they do it so frequently as to need to coin an abbreviation for "literally everyone else", to conceal their demand that you ignore literally all other sources.

If their positions and arguments were strong, they would themselves be sufficient to make their audience question, or even discard, the opposing positions or arguments. Without the need to attempt to cast their opponents as some kind of evil conspiracy.

But don't listen to me, I am obviously a shill for MSM.

 

[bilby]

ffs, Brandon is going to ask for another $25 BILLION to throw at the Ukraine;

President Joe Biden intends to submit a supplemental funding request of at least $25 billion to Congress, according to a person familiar with the plans, setting up a possible showdown with Republicans less willing to provide further financial support for the war in Ukraine.

News

$25 billion is 1.4% of the $1.77 trillion 2023 Department of Defence budget. What are you saving the other 98.6% for, are you expecting Canada to invade?

It's only 3% of the $773 billion directly budgeted for military spending. That's less than half of the increase we would expect just to keep up with inflation.

$25 billion is less than 75 cents a week per American.

It's an utterly trivial amount of money.

 

[TomC]

ffs, Brandon is going to ask for another $25 BILLION to throw at the Ukraine;

President Joe Biden intends to submit a supplemental funding request of at least $25 billion to Congress, according to a person familiar with the plans, setting up a possible showdown with Republicans less willing to provide further financial support for the war in Ukraine.

News

$25 billion is 1.4% of the $1.77 trillion 2023 Department of Defence budget. What are you saving the other 98.6% for, are you expecting Canada to invade?

It's only 3% of the $773 billion directly budgeted for military spending. That's less than half of the increase we would expect just to keep up with inflation.

$25 billion is less than 75 cents a week per American.

It's an utterly trivial amount of money.

Exactly!
I'm a serious peacenik. I don't want war anywhere, for anyone.
But I also agree with the advice "Speak softly, but carry a big stick." and some things like that. You can't always be peaceful because people like Putin and Hitler will take advantage and visit violence on people for their own purposes. That's been going on for all of human history!
I support pretty much pulling out the stops and getting it done. Now.
It's not going to get easier if we wait.
Tom

 

[Patooka]

$25 billion is 1.4% of the $1.77 trillion 2023 Department of Defence budget. What are you saving the other 98.6% for, are you expecting Canada to invade?

It's only 3% of the $773 billion directly budgeted for military spending. That's less than half of the increase we would expect just to keep up with inflation.

$25 billion is less than 75 cents a week per American.

It's an utterly trivial amount of money.

And it's not even "spending" per se. Those M-113s given to Ukraine weren't built last year, but was part of the $40 billion Congress allowed Dark Brandon to "spend". Same with the HIMARS, -777s and Bradleys too. I don't think GM has been waiting since to 90s to be paid for manufacturing those things. So this isn't so much spending $25 billion but writing off $25 billion of equipment that not only was paid for decades ago, but most likely sitting in the Mojave doing fuck all right now. Not a single dollar you paid in taxes this year or last year has gone to Ukraine in the form of military aid.

In other words, another Swizzle Fizzle.

 

[Jayjay]

I ignore your "sources", because they are garbage. Take the Jeffrey Sachs interview for example

Really? Jeffrey Sachs is garbage and current US administration consisting of bus boys and fuck the EU Nuland are not?
And "lets make fake chemical attack video" BBC is a good source? really?
You are seriously comparing that punk Jake Sullivan to Jeffrey Sachs?

Did I mention Jake Sullivan or BBC? No. Although BBC probably faked nothing, despite your repeated claims of doing so. Because you get your information from bullshitters and propaganda outlets, and you've been caught peddling conspiracy theories and other thousand-times refuted garbage before. I'm considering this "fake chemical attack video" to be in the same category.

But thanks for reading the first line of my post at least. I wish you would bother to read the entire post next time. Here is the actual point again:

And some youtube commentators are not "sources". They're at best opinionated idiots, at worst paid propagandists.

Some jackass repeating a conspiracy theory hardly makes that conspiracy theory true. Jeffrey Sachs is known to peddle Covid-19 conspiracy theory that it came from US biolabs. That's nonsense, so why should I believe any of his other ramblings?

 

[barbos]

Criminal regime in Washington bribed pakistani government into hating Russia and removing their PM.

 

[barbos]

Although BBC probably faked nothing

Oh, they did, they totally did.

 

[barbos]

Because you get your information from bullshitters and propaganda outlets,

I got it from BBC. I looked at their video report and understood immediately that it was staged, 100%.
Moreover, BBC tacitly admitted it was staged.

 

[Jayjay]

Interesting analysis of Ukraine’s counter offensive.

How the Ukraine Counteroffensive Can Still Succeed

The Ukrainian counteroffensive is going slow, but success is still possible

time.com

it can succeed, but it’s a tough nut to crack.

We can always dream, but based on past performance, I find these scenarios to be mostly wishful thinking.

The only plausible way for Ukraine to win is to annoy Russia to death. Keep killing Russians and their equipment, keep sniping off a few ships at Black Sea every now and then or a factory near Moscow, while maintaining their own forces capable enough to hold the line in Ukraine. Eventually it'll frustrate Russia to the point that it will either sue for peace, or implode internally. This path is far from certain either (mainly because the western aid that it relies on could stop soon), but I consider it far more likely than a military breakthrough.