How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Some jackass repeating a conspiracy theory hardly makes that conspiracy theory true.

Jackasses are running EU/US and western media.

 

[barbos]

The only plausible way for Ukraine to win is to annoy Russia to death

Well, then they (NATO-Ukraine) are not going to win.

 

[SLD]

ffs, Brandon is going to ask for another $25 BILLION to throw at the Ukraine;

President Joe Biden intends to submit a supplemental funding request of at least $25 billion to Congress, according to a person familiar with the plans, setting up a possible showdown with Republicans less willing to provide further financial support for the war in Ukraine.

News

$25 billion is 1.4% of the $1.77 trillion 2023 Department of Defence budget. What are you saving the other 98.6% for, are you expecting Canada to invade?

It's only 3% of the $773 billion directly budgeted for military spending. That's less than half of the increase we would expect just to keep up with inflation.

$25 billion is less than 75 cents a week per American.

It's an utterly trivial amount of money.

EXACTLY!!! What the fuck else do we even need an air and armored force for? If Russia is defeated, we don’t need to spend but a fraction of the defense budget. The point of our military is to turn Russia into a parking lot. Let Ukraine do it! Give them everything we have in our arsenal. It should be 100’s of billions.

 

[barbos]

$25 billion is 1.4% of the $1.77 trillion 2023 Department of Defence budget. What are you saving the other 98.6% for, are you expecting Canada to invade?

Problem is not money, problem is weapons production. You have no way to produce required amount.

 

[barbos]

EXACTLY!!! What the fuck else do we even need an air and armored force for? If Russia is defeated, we don’t need to spend but a fraction of the defense budget. The point of our military is to turn Russia into a parking lot. Let Ukraine do it! Give them everything we have in our arsenal. It should be 100’s of billions.

That won't help. And your generals know it. The fact is, even NATO (really US) direct involvement probably unlikely to defeat Russia.
And if you somehow do defeat Russia you will be, according publicly available russian doctrine, nuked.

So, you see, your original plan was not that, your plan was to regime change Putin via SANCTIONS, military defeat idea is pure improvisation. You can not have outright military defeat of Russia without being nuked.

 

[SLD]

Interesting analysis of Ukraine’s counter offensive.

How the Ukraine Counteroffensive Can Still Succeed

The Ukrainian counteroffensive is going slow, but success is still possible

time.com

it can succeed, but it’s a tough nut to crack.

We can always dream, but based on past performance, I find these scenarios to be mostly wishful thinking.

The only plausible way for Ukraine to win is to annoy Russia to death. Keep killing Russians and their equipment, keep sniping off a few ships at Black Sea every now and then or a factory near Moscow, while maintaining their own forces capable enough to hold the line in Ukraine. Eventually it'll frustrate Russia to the point that it will either sue for peace, or implode internally. This path is far from certain either (mainly because the western aid that it relies on could stop soon), but I consider it far more likely than a military breakthrough.

You didn’t read the article, did you?

that's OK. But do. It’s quite a good one.

 

[SLD]

EXACTLY!!! What the fuck else do we even need an air and armored force for? If Russia is defeated, we don’t need to spend but a fraction of the defense budget. The point of our military is to turn Russia into a parking lot. Let Ukraine do it! Give them everything we have in our arsenal. It should be 100’s of billions.

Thar won't help. And your generals know it.

What’s this I hear about Gerasimov being concerned about a mutiny in the paratroops?

 

[barbos]

EXACTLY!!! What the fuck else do we even need an air and armored force for? If Russia is defeated, we don’t need to spend but a fraction of the defense budget. The point of our military is to turn Russia into a parking lot. Let Ukraine do it! Give them everything we have in our arsenal. It should be 100’s of billions.

Thar won't help. And your generals know it.

What’s this I hear about Gerasimov being concerned about a mutiny in the paratroops?

That's western lies and propaganda.

 

[SLD]

EXACTLY!!! What the fuck else do we even need an air and armored force for? If Russia is defeated, we don’t need to spend but a fraction of the defense budget. The point of our military is to turn Russia into a parking lot. Let Ukraine do it! Give them everything we have in our arsenal. It should be 100’s of billions.

Thar won't help. And your generals know it.

What’s this I hear about Gerasimov being concerned about a mutiny in the paratroops?

That's western lies and propaganda.

Just like Wagner revolt? All lies? Never happened?


Is this dude’s Twitter feed complete bullshit? Could be. I don’t know.



BTW, what ever happened to Surovikin? Is he still ”taking a rest”?

 

[Tigers!]

President for life Pootie. We don't need no steenking democracy!

......
A spokesperson for the Kremlin said this week that Russia "theoretically" doesn't need to hold presidential elections next year because it's "obvious" that Vladimir Putin will win.

Dmitry Peskov, Putin's chief spokesperson, described Russia's presidential election as "not really democracy" but "costly bureaucracy" in an interview with The New York Times over the weekend.
.....

Kremlin says Russia 'theoretically' doesn't need to hold elections next year because it's 'obvious' Putin will win

Putin has maintained his grip on power by imprisoning opponents, cracking down on the press, and approving changes that allow him to stay in office until 2036.

www.businessinsider.com

They'll hold the elections precisely because it's just for show.

Ukraine on the other hand postponed it's own parliamentary elections that were scheduled for this fall. It makes sense, but it also takes Ukraine one step closer to being a country like Lebanon that constantly postpones elections with the pretext of civil unrest. It will be interesting to see what Ukraine does in 2025 for its presidential elections. The war is likely still going on then, or they might be in the middle of forced peace negotiations, with 20% of their land being occupied and millions having escaped abroad.

UK, Australia, NZ, Canada and USA etc. held elections during WW2 and WW1. Granted a war can make it much harder to hold an election but it is not a reason to not hold an election.
It will burnish Ukraine's credentials to hold the election.

 

[barbos]

Just like Wagner revolt? All lies? Never happened?

No. not like that.

 

[Patooka]

UK, Australia, NZ, Canada and USA etc. held elections during WW2 and WW1. Granted a war can make it much harder to hold an election but it is not a reason to not hold an election.
It will burnish Ukraine's credentials to hold the election.

Quick question; how much of Australia, NZ, Canada and USA etc were occupied or an active battlefield during WWI and WWII? That does have a very subtle and ever so slightly meaningful impact on the electoral process. I'm pretty certain if the Blitz happened during the election the Poms would put that on pause for a bit.

 

[Copernicus]

President for life Pootie. We don't need no steenking democracy!

......
A spokesperson for the Kremlin said this week that Russia "theoretically" doesn't need to hold presidential elections next year because it's "obvious" that Vladimir Putin will win.

Dmitry Peskov, Putin's chief spokesperson, described Russia's presidential election as "not really democracy" but "costly bureaucracy" in an interview with The New York Times over the weekend.
.....

Kremlin says Russia 'theoretically' doesn't need to hold elections next year because it's 'obvious' Putin will win

Putin has maintained his grip on power by imprisoning opponents, cracking down on the press, and approving changes that allow him to stay in office until 2036.

www.businessinsider.com

But it really isn't "theory". Russia is currently a fascist dictatorship. By definition, the leader of a fascist dictatorship doesn't need to get reelected. Elections can be done for show, but everyone knows that Russia no longer has free or fair elections. Anyone who could possibly pose a threat to Putin has been murdered or jailed. He runs the country as he sees fit. It's too bad, but hardly unpredictable, that he he didn't turn out to be the "benevolent tsar" that barbos and other Putin-loving sycophants imagined him to be.

 

[bilby]

Although BBC probably faked nothing

Oh, they did, they totally did.

 

[barbos]

Although BBC probably faked nothing

Oh, they did, they totally did.

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Biden looks good here, what happened?

 

[bilby]

President for life Pootie. We don't need no steenking democracy!

......
A spokesperson for the Kremlin said this week that Russia "theoretically" doesn't need to hold presidential elections next year because it's "obvious" that Vladimir Putin will win.

Dmitry Peskov, Putin's chief spokesperson, described Russia's presidential election as "not really democracy" but "costly bureaucracy" in an interview with The New York Times over the weekend.
.....

Kremlin says Russia 'theoretically' doesn't need to hold elections next year because it's 'obvious' Putin will win

Putin has maintained his grip on power by imprisoning opponents, cracking down on the press, and approving changes that allow him to stay in office until 2036.

www.businessinsider.com

They'll hold the elections precisely because it's just for show.

Ukraine on the other hand postponed it's own parliamentary elections that were scheduled for this fall. It makes sense, but it also takes Ukraine one step closer to being a country like Lebanon that constantly postpones elections with the pretext of civil unrest. It will be interesting to see what Ukraine does in 2025 for its presidential elections. The war is likely still going on then, or they might be in the middle of forced peace negotiations, with 20% of their land being occupied and millions having escaped abroad.

UK, Australia, NZ, Canada and USA etc. held elections during WW2 and WW1. Granted a war can make it much harder to hold an election but it is not a reason to not hold an election.
It will burnish Ukraine's credentials to hold the election.

The UK suspended elections for the duration of WWII. The MPs elected in the 1935 general election remained in office until the 1945 election, which took place two months after VE Day.

 

[bilby]

UK, Australia, NZ, Canada and USA etc. held elections during WW2 and WW1. Granted a war can make it much harder to hold an election but it is not a reason to not hold an election.
It will burnish Ukraine's credentials to hold the election.

Quick question; how much of Australia, NZ, Canada and USA etc were occupied or an active battlefield during WWI and WWII? That does have a very subtle and ever so slightly meaningful impact on the electoral process. I'm pretty certain if the Blitz happened during the election the Poms would put that on pause for a bit.

As, indeed, they did.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

But it really isn't "theory". Russia is currently a fascist dictatorship. By definition, the leader of a fascist dictatorship doesn't need to get reelected. Elections can be done for show, but everyone knows that Russia no longer has free or fair elections. Anyone who could possibly pose a threat to Putin has been murdered or jailed. He runs the country as he sees fit. It's too bad, but hardly unpredictable, that he he didn't turn out to be the "benevolent tsar" that barbos and other Putin-loving sycophants imagined him to be.

Having the facade of western style elections is just part of the propaganda. Stalin said it isn't who votes but who counts the votes. Could not have been more right.

 

[barbos]

Elensky ran on promise to end the war in Donbas, meaning he would negotiate it. He obviously broke that promise.
In Ukraine, under normal circumstances, he would have been maidaned out. But circumstances are not normal, ukrainian nazis are still in power in Ukraine.

 

[Elixir]

Poor barbie. Pootey's puppet Poroshenko got deposed for being as corrupt as Pootey himself, and Pootey can't get over it.
They his boy Trump lost, so what other choice did he have? He did what any angry toddler with delusions of power would have done. He sent a few hundred thousand poor suckers to their deaths in an idiotic effort to get back at Ukraine for thumbing their collective nose at his fascism.
Funny how an angry, deluded toddler acts in a manner indistinguishable from a genocidal maniac, eh? Never fear though - we have Barbie here to spin wild tales of Pootey's valor, and to invent Nazis for Pootey's Orcs to vanquish!