Jarhyn
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Bieber? That fucker never flipped no tables.I thought this was about Justin Bieber. So...not interested.
Bieber? That fucker never flipped no tables.I thought this was about Justin Bieber. So...not interested.
But... he wants us to be his baby, baby, baby.Bieber? That fucker never flipped no tables.I thought this was about Justin Bieber. So...not interested.
I mean, I don't want to be kissed to death by no pop star... Besides, isn't he like, 2?But... he wants us to be his baby, baby, baby.Bieber? That fucker never flipped no tables.I thought this was about Justin Bieber. So...not interested.
Time has no meaning for a divine avatar.I mean, I don't want to be kissed to death by no pop star... Besides, isn't he like, 2?But... he wants us to be his baby, baby, baby.Bieber? That fucker never flipped no tables.I thought this was about Justin Bieber. So...not interested.
I mean, I think I discussed some changes to that doctrine insofar as all systems of change have a time dimension... But, to be fair, if we go the "crazy whackadoodle gnostic Christian" interpretation, rather than the classic church interpretation, it's more an archetype which came before, is perhaps here somewhere now, and will happen again in different ways and similar ones to the ways before; and for which my truth is born into others, but probably not from most others, because telephone's a bitch; and that by carrying one another's stories and art and heartfelt works we shall hold each other in the kingdom of each other's minds and "hearts" for as long as those stories are told, separated as they were between those remembered with disgust and those remembered with veneration, and those simply never spoken of to remember at all, and to be reborn once more when they read their stories and are moved once more to relive as the archetype.Time has no meaning for a divine avatar.I mean, I don't want to be kissed to death by no pop star... Besides, isn't he like, 2?But... he wants us to be his baby, baby, baby.Bieber? That fucker never flipped no tables.I thought this was about Justin Bieber. So...not interested.
But... he wants us to be his baby, baby, baby.Bieber? That fucker never flipped no tables.I thought this was about Justin Bieber. So...not interested.
And would you give a similar spin to ' thou shalt not kill' to also mean we shouldn't kill cows to make burgers from cows?Ten commandments, Thou shalt Not Kill.
Now it is off to Canaan to kill all the Canaanites.
As God commanded.
Then it should be interesting to you to know that to Christians, this particular verse 'thou shalt not kill'' was in context to murder.Asking doctrinaire Christians to explain this is always interesting.
And would you give a similar spin to ' thou shalt not kill' to also mean we shouldn't kill cows to make burgers from cows?Ten commandments, Thou shalt Not Kill.
Now it is off to Canaan to kill all the Canaanites.
As God commanded.
Then it should be interesting to you to know that to Christians, this particular verse 'thou shalt not kill'' was in context to murder.Asking doctrinaire Christians to explain this is always interesting.
It's pretty sick murder, too, given that the only way to interpret the apparent disconnect is that the Israelites didn't even consider the people they were murdering as "people" in the first place, and apparently Learner doesn't either, having likened them to cows (which I also think we should probably not kill if we can avoid it and still live good lives).And would you give a similar spin to ' thou shalt not kill' to also mean we shouldn't kill cows to make burgers from cows?Ten commandments, Thou shalt Not Kill.
Now it is off to Canaan to kill all the Canaanites.
As God commanded.
Then it should be interesting to you to know that to Christians, this particular verse 'thou shalt not kill'' was in context to murder.Asking doctrinaire Christians to explain this is always interesting.
Murder was ordered and done.
It is unfortunate you aren't able to differentiate the context between defending yourself as a nation and murder in times of war, especially when its always a reaction to defend yourself from the very first actions initiated against the Israelites. If you understand it now, pass it on to jaryn...cheers.And would you give a similar spin to ' thou shalt not kill' to also mean we shouldn't kill cows to make burgers from cows?Ten commandments, Thou shalt Not Kill.
Now it is off to Canaan to kill all the Canaanites.
As God commanded.
Then it should be interesting to you to know that to Christians, this particular verse 'thou shalt not kill'' was in context to murder.Asking doctrinaire Christians to explain this is always interesting.
Murder was ordered and done.
Yes, and when you are going into somewhere someone else already is living without them in living memory attacking or seeking you out or even knowing your people exist, and you go in and slaughter and rape every last person there, we call that murder and rape slavery, not "defense".It is unfortunate you aren't able to differentiate the context between defending yourself as a nation and murder in times of war, especially when its always a reaction to defend yourself from the very first actions initiated against the Israelites. If you understand it now, pass it on to jaryn...cheers.And would you give a similar spin to ' thou shalt not kill' to also mean we shouldn't kill cows to make burgers from cows?Ten commandments, Thou shalt Not Kill.
Now it is off to Canaan to kill all the Canaanites.
As God commanded.
Then it should be interesting to you to know that to Christians, this particular verse 'thou shalt not kill'' was in context to murder.Asking doctrinaire Christians to explain this is always interesting.
Murder was ordered and done.
Cite?Yep.
And people typically overlook the fact that the Israelites tried to make peace with their Canaanite enemies first and those overtures were rejected.
Cite?Yep.
And people typically overlook the fact that the Israelites tried to make peace with their Canaanite enemies first and those overtures were rejected.
For example consider Exodus 23:22-28. No mercy is shown to the Amorites et al. I don't see where the Amorites rejected any peace overture. Instead I thought the Amorites needed to be overthrown simply because they occupied land which God had given to Abraham.
Yep.
And people typically overlook the fact that the Israelites tried to make peace with their Canaanite enemies first and those overtures were rejected.
They’re like the Yankees and the Red Sox.For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the Lord commanded Moses.
Cite?Yep.
And people typically overlook the fact that the Israelites tried to make peace with their Canaanite enemies first and those overtures were rejected.
For example consider Exodus 23:22-28. No mercy is shown to the Amorites et al. I don't see where the Amorites rejected any peace overture. Instead I thought the Amorites needed to be overthrown simply because they occupied land which God had given to Abraham.
Color me cynical if you must,Cite?Yep.
And people typically overlook the fact that the Israelites tried to make peace with their Canaanite enemies first and those overtures were rejected.
For example consider Exodus 23:22-28. No mercy is shown to the Amorites et al. I don't see where the Amorites rejected any peace overture. Instead I thought the Amorites needed to be overthrown simply because they occupied land which God had given to Abraham.
Numbers 20:14/17/18
Moses sent messengers from Kadesh to the king of Edom, saying...
“Now we are here at Kadesh, a town on the edge of your territory. Please let us pass through your country. We will not go through any field or vineyard, or drink water from any well. We will travel along the King’s Highway and not turn to the right or to the left until we have passed through your territory.”
But Edom answered:
“You may not pass through here; if you try, we will march out and attack you with the sword
Then you have the unprovoked pre-emptive attack by the Canaanite king of Arad, in the Negev, when he heard that Israel was coming. (Numbers 21:1)
Then you have...
Numbers 21:21-23
Israel sent messengers to say to Sihon king of the Amorites:
"Let us pass through your country. We will not turn aside into any field or vineyard, or drink water from any well. We will travel along the King’s Highway until we have passed through your territory.”
But Sihon would not let Israel pass through his territory. He mustered his entire army and marched out into the wilderness against Israel. When he reached Jahaz, he fought with Israel.
Color me cynical if you must,Cite?Yep.
And people typically overlook the fact that the Israelites tried to make peace with their Canaanite enemies first and those overtures were rejected.
For example consider Exodus 23:22-28. No mercy is shown to the Amorites et al. I don't see where the Amorites rejected any peace overture. Instead I thought the Amorites needed to be overthrown simply because they occupied land which God had given to Abraham.
Numbers 20:14/17/18
Moses sent messengers from Kadesh to the king of Edom, saying...
“Now we are here at Kadesh, a town on the edge of your territory. Please let us pass through your country. We will not go through any field or vineyard, or drink water from any well. We will travel along the King’s Highway and not turn to the right or to the left until we have passed through your territory.”
But Edom answered:
“You may not pass through here; if you try, we will march out and attack you with the sword
Then you have the unprovoked pre-emptive attack by the Canaanite king of Arad, in the Negev, when he heard that Israel was coming. (Numbers 21:1)
Then you have...
Numbers 21:21-23
Israel sent messengers to say to Sihon king of the Amorites:
"Let us pass through your country. We will not turn aside into any field or vineyard, or drink water from any well. We will travel along the King’s Highway until we have passed through your territory.”
But Sihon would not let Israel pass through his territory. He mustered his entire army and marched out into the wilderness against Israel. When he reached Jahaz, he fought with Israel.
But listening to a modern translation of an ancient people's explanation for why they were so genocidal doesn't really have much credibility to me.
Tom