MAGA Christianity hits Las Vegas

[bilby]

Think about it. If it weren't a suicide, it'd have to be a massive conspiracy theory. Faked ChatGPT questions, faked video of him filling up gas etc, fake camera footage of arrivals, serious massive coordination of deep state and then on top of that, disappearing thousands eyewitnesses who saw an arrival and whatever happened next or at least the Men In Black showing up with one of those sparkly things to make everyone get amnesia.

It's called a 'neuralyzer'.

Though you should probably forget I said that.

 

[unapologetic]

Granted, shooting yourself prior to it going off really does make that hard to ensure.

I am still not convinced it was suicide.

Think about it. If it weren't a suicide, it'd have to be a massive conspiracy theory. Faked ChatGPT questions, faked video of him filling up gas etc, fake camera footage of arrivals, serious massive coordination of deep state and then on top of that, disappearing thousands eyewitnesses who saw an arrival and whatever happened next or at least the Men In Black showing up with one of those sparkly things to make everyone get amnesia.

Doesn't need to be faked. None of that shows him, or somebody else, pulling the trigger. Blowing himself up doesn't require shooting himself first. So why would he? You would expect the explosion would destroy the bullet-to-the-head evidence. But it didn't. It's a failed conspiracy.
(Maybe. I'm not invested enough to care if I'm right or wrong.)

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Granted, shooting yourself prior to it going off really does make that hard to ensure.

I am still not convinced it was suicide.

Think about it. If it weren't a suicide, it'd have to be a massive conspiracy theory. Faked ChatGPT questions, faked video of him filling up gas etc, fake camera footage of arrivals, serious massive coordination of deep state and then on top of that, disappearing thousands eyewitnesses who saw an arrival and whatever happened next or at least the Men In Black showing up with one of those sparkly things to make everyone get amnesia.

Doesn't need to be faked.

He wrote 2 minifestos that have been released and one 6-page manifesto (that hasn't been released yet). Therefore he was planning a suicide. So you think he was murdered by someone to stop him from suiciding? Why? OR do you think the Deep State made up all the minifestos and manifesto?

None of that shows him, or somebody else, pulling the trigger. Blowing himself up doesn't require shooting himself first. So why would he?

Why do MAGAs love Trump? You are asking why people do things that don't make sense, which even regular people do once in a while, but this guy also had some mental problems which magnified everything else.

You would expect the explosion would destroy the bullet-to-the-head evidence. But it didn't.

I would not expect that necessarily. Burning can destroy some flesh, in particular a lot of outer flesh, but maybe not all. I don't think burning and an explosion is going to destroy all the bones. I think most bones will remain intact or at least can be restructured and analyzed to show a bullet hole and they may also have bullet remnants such as the metals or pieces left in the area. As well as the circumstantial evidence of a gun found at his feet.

It's a failed conspiracy.
(Maybe. I'm not invested enough to care if I'm right or wrong.)

It sounds like you are saying that you haven't done enough reading of evidence on the subject. Would you call your opinion, then, informed enough to argue?

 

[ZiprHead]

Hmmm. Subject yourself to a fiery explosion that may subject you to extreme pain before you die or a quick bullet to the head?

I know which one I'd choose.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Hmmm. Subject yourself to a fiery explosion that may subject you to extreme pain before you die or a quick bullet to the head?

I know which one I'd choose.

Okay, but maybe there was a second shooter!

 

[thebeave]

Was there a grassy knoll nearby?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

No, but a second shooter could have been hiding in the Fountains of Bellagio. No one would ever think to look there.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Granted, shooting yourself prior to it going off really does make that hard to ensure.

I am still not convinced it was suicide.

Think about it. If it weren't a suicide, it'd have to be a massive conspiracy theory. Faked ChatGPT questions, faked video of him filling up gas etc, fake camera footage of arrivals, serious massive coordination of deep state and then on top of that, disappearing thousands eyewitnesses who saw an arrival and whatever happened next or at least the Men In Black showing up with one of those sparkly things to make everyone get amnesia.

Doesn't need to be faked. None of that shows him, or somebody else, pulling the trigger. Blowing himself up doesn't require shooting himself first. So why would he? You would expect the explosion would destroy the bullet-to-the-head evidence. But it didn't. It's a failed conspiracy.
(Maybe. I'm not invested enough to care if I'm right or wrong.)

He didn't build a percussive bomb, he made a fire bomb. Burning to death sucks.

 

[Politesse]

Hmmm. Subject yourself to a fiery explosion that may subject you to extreme pain before you die or a quick bullet to the head?

I know which one I'd choose.

As any ER surgeon will tell you, neither is a surefire quick ticket to the Styx. My work has taught me to distrust many other common methods as well, as many of my students are survivors thereof, and many are badly maimed or inpaired by their attempts. There are many exits from this life, but they are all messy and unreliable.

 

[thebeave]

Hmmm. Subject yourself to a fiery explosion that may subject you to extreme pain before you die or a quick bullet to the head?

I know which one I'd choose.

As any ER surgeon will tell you, neither is a surefire quick ticket to the Styx. My work has taught me to distrust many other common methods as well, as many of my students are survivors thereof, and many are badly maimed or inpaired by their attempts. There are many exits from this life, but they are all messy and unreliable.

Certainly a bullet to the head is better than fire, but many people aim the gun at the wrong part of their head, and end up with a slow death or surviving with serious brain damage. Supposedly, the best way is to open your mouth and aim the barrel at the roof of your mouth./PSA

I kinda like the way Ripley ended it all in Alien 3. Fall back into a pot of molten steel. Kinda hard to fail once you let go, and it will be over so quick you won't know what happened. Its a little problematic finding an unsecured giant pot of molten steel, though.

 

[TomC]

Hmmm. Subject yourself to a fiery explosion that may subject you to extreme pain before you die or a quick bullet to the head?

I know which one I'd choose.

As any ER surgeon will tell you, neither is a surefire quick ticket to the Styx. My work has taught me to distrust many other common methods as well, as many of my students are survivors thereof, and many are badly maimed or inpaired by their attempts. There are many exits from this life, but they are all messy and unreliable.

I've also known people who had to live with a disastrous suicide attempt.
The guy we're talking about was vastly better educated about death and methods of causing it than the vast majority of people.
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Certainly a bullet to the head is better than fire, but many people aim the gun at the wrong part of their head, and end up with a slow death or surviving with serious brain damage. Supposedly, the best way is to open your mouth and aim the barrel at the roof of your mouth./PSA

That's exactly the first half of what he did since the coroner's report read his cause of death was "intraoral gunshot." While of course something can go wrong in SOME OTHER scenarios, like a person can injure their brain without dying being a vegetable or whatever...this guy in addition to that had set up the materials to explode upon igniting from the gun going off. The gunshot had two simultaneous purposes....and if something had gone wrong with the gunshot, he'd still be finished off by the explosion and fire. He pre-calculated these things using ChatGPT:

Matthew Livelsberger Investigation - Media Content - Google Drive

drive.google.com

...unless the whole ChatGPT messages are part of a massive Deep State conspiracy.

 

[unapologetic]

OR do you think (whoever) made up all the minifestos and manifesto?

It is certainly possible. You don't watch enough TV.

Would you call your opinion, then, informed enough to argue?

Informed enough to question. Not enough to conclude.

Hmmm. Subject yourself to a fiery explosion that may subject you to extreme pain before you die or a quick bullet to the head?

Then why both?

He didn't build a percussive bomb, he made a fire bomb.

Why? Not enough damage. What's the point? Destroy evidence? Why does no one question the irrationality of a double suicide?

 

[ZiprHead]

No, but a second shooter could have been hiding in the Fountains of Bellagio. No one would ever think to look there.

Everybody looks at the Bellagio fountains. They're one of the biggest free outside attractions in the city.

 

[ZiprHead]

Hmmm. Subject yourself to a fiery explosion that may subject you to extreme pain before you die or a quick bullet to the head?

I know which one I'd choose.

As any ER surgeon will tell you, neither is a surefire quick ticket to the Styx. My work has taught me to distrust many other common methods as well, as many of my students are survivors thereof, and many are badly maimed or inpaired by their attempts. There are many exits from this life, but they are all messy and unreliable.

I've also known people who had to live with a disastrous suicide attempt.
The guy we're talking about was vastly better educated about death and methods of causing it than the vast majority of people.
Tom

Budd Dwyer got it right the first time.

 

[ZiprHead]

C'mon, guys. Don't leave your minds so open your brains fall out.

 

[thebeave]

Hmmm. Subject yourself to a fiery explosion that may subject you to extreme pain before you die or a quick bullet to the head?

I know which one I'd choose.

As any ER surgeon will tell you, neither is a surefire quick ticket to the Styx. My work has taught me to distrust many other common methods as well, as many of my students are survivors thereof, and many are badly maimed or inpaired by their attempts. There are many exits from this life, but they are all messy and unreliable.

I've also known people who had to live with a disastrous suicide attempt.
The guy we're talking about was vastly better educated about death and methods of causing it than the vast majority of people.
Tom

Budd Dwyer got it right the first time.

Yeah, but he didn't need to put on a show for everyone to see. Kinda uncool.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

No, but a second shooter could have been hiding in the Fountains of Bellagio. No one would ever think to look there.

Everybody looks at the Bellagio fountains. They're one of the biggest free outside attractions in the city.

...which is exactly why someone could hide in plain sight. No one would ever expect it!

 

[ZiprHead]

No, but a second shooter could have been hiding in the Fountains of Bellagio. No one would ever think to look there.

Everybody looks at the Bellagio fountains. They're one of the biggest free outside attractions in the city.

...which is exactly why someone could hide in plain sight. No one would ever expect it!

No expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[Elixir]

There was supposed to be a second shooter but he got shot by the third shooter before he could shoot, then burned up in the fire. They won’t tell you that.