Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Arctish]

Israel acknowledges possible forced use of civilians in Gaza military operations, launches investigation

The Israeli military is investigating soldiers’ use of Palestinian civilians as human shields during operations in Gaza, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) told CNN on Tuesday night.

This is the first time the military has acknowledged that there is “reasonable suspicion” to believe soldiers forced civilians to take part in military operations.

CNN has reported on Israeli soldiers forcing civilians in Gaza to enter potentially booby-trapped houses and tunnels in order to avoid putting troops in harm’s way.

The practice was reportedly so common in the Israeli military that it had a name: “mosquito protocol.”

The exact scale and scope of the practice by the Israeli military is not known. But the testimony of both the soldier and five civilians last year indicated that it was widespread across the territory: in northern Gaza, Gaza City, Khan Younis and Rafah.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Israeli strikes across Gaza kill at least 404 Palestinians and shatter ceasefire with Hamas

The attack shattered a ceasefire with Hamas and threatened to fully reignite the 17-month-old war that has already killed tens of thousands of Palestinians and caused widespread destruction.

apnews.com

This part seems odd:

The strikes came as Netanyahu comes under mounting domestic pressure, with mass protests planned over his handling of the hostage crisis and his decision to fire the head of Israel’s internal security agency. His latest testimony in a long-running corruption trial was canceled after the strikes.

Why cancel testimony in a trial?

 

[Politesse]

Grand Mexican Warlock?

That'd be GBM

 

[Politesse]

I am of course fucking heartbroken at the blatant violation of ceasefire, the hundreds dead, the resumption of war. But in fascist times, empathy makes you an asshole, and I'm tired of fighting.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Five senior Hamas officials killed in the strike that appeared to kill a lot more than five people. This was allegedly to get Hamas back to the tables.

 

[Derec]

I am of course fucking heartbroken at the blatant violation of ceasefire, the hundreds dead, the resumption of war. But in fascist times, empathy makes you an asshole, and I'm tired of fighting.

The ceasefire has run its course. The positions of the two sides were intractable.

Israel wanted their hostages freed and Hamas dismantled so that it can't attack Israel again (as Hamas leaders have repeatedly stated is their intent).

Hamas wanted for Israel to end the war (until next 10/7), they wanted to keep being a heavily armed force in Gaza and they did not want to release any hostages unless they get thousands of more terrorists freed in return. Oh, and they wanted IDF to leave the Philadelphi Corridor so they can smuggle weapons in again.

Hopefully Mohammed Sinwar gets sent to his virgins soon.

 

[TomC]

I am of course fucking heartbroken at the blatant violation of ceasefire, the hundreds dead, the resumption of war. But in fascist times, empathy makes you an asshole, and I'm tired of fighting.

Too bad Hamas finds that killing the Gazans Who Don't Matter is politically convenient.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

I am of course fucking heartbroken at the blatant violation of ceasefire, the hundreds dead, the resumption of war. But in fascist times, empathy makes you an asshole, and I'm tired of fighting.

Too bad Hamas finds that killing the Gazans Who Don't Matter is politically convenient.
Tom

It is terrible that Hamas finds that. It is also terrible that the Israel does as well.

 

[laughing dog]

Five senior Hamas officials killed in the strike that appeared to kill a lot more than five people. This was allegedly to get Hamas back to the tables.

If cutting off electricity and restricting supplies doesn't seem to work, I doubt more bombing will.

 

[Arctish]

I am of course fucking heartbroken at the blatant violation of ceasefire, the hundreds dead, the resumption of war. But in fascist times, empathy makes you an asshole, and I'm tired of fighting.

Too bad Hamas finds that killing the Gazans Who Don't Matter is politically convenient.
Tom

IOW, see what Hamas made Israel do.

Coercive control is a pattern of controlling and manipulative behaviours within a relationship.

There are 12 signs of coercive control​

1. Isolating you from your support system. An abusive partner will cut you off from friends and family, or limit your contact with them so you don’t receive the support you need.
2. Monitoring your activity throughout the day.
3. Denying you freedom and autonomy. A person exerting coercive control may try to limit your freedom and independence. For example, not allowing you to go to work or school, restricting your access to transportation, stalking your every move when you’re out, taking your phone and changing passwords, etc.
4. Gaslighting, where the abuser makes you doubt your own truth, experience and sanity, by insisting that they are always right, and instils their narrative of a situation, even if the evidence points against this. Gaslighting in essence, is based on lies and manipulation of the truth.
5. Name-calling and severe criticism, as well as malicious put-downs which are all extreme forms of bullying.
6. Limiting access to money and controlling finances. This is a way of restricting your freedom and ability to leave the relationship. Financial abuse is listed above as a specific form of abuse but, within the context of coercive control, financial control is a tactic to keep a person disempowered, by utilising strategies such as:
   • placing you on a strict budget that barely covers the essentials such as food or clothes
   • limiting your access to bank accounts
   • hiding financial resources from you
   • preventing you from having a credit card
   • rigorously monitoring what you spend.
7. Coercing you, to take care of all the domestic duties such as cleaning, cooking and childcare without sharing the responsibility and tasks involved to undertake these duties.
8. Turning your children against you. If you have children either with the abuser or someone else, they may try to weaponise the children against you by making comments that are critical of you, belittling you in front of the children, or telling them that you’re a bad parent. Sometimes the techniques are very subtle and insidious, involving slow drip-feeding of a narrative that regards you as abnormal.
9. Controlling aspects of your health and your body. The abuser will monitor and control how much you eat, sleep, exercise, or how much time you spend in the bathroom. They may also control where you go for medical help, and the medications you take.
10. Making jealous accusations about the time you spend with family or friends, either in person or online, as a way of phasing out all your contact with the external world, except for them.
11. Regulating your sexual relationship, for example making demands about the amount of times you engage in sex each day or week, and the kinds of activities you perform.
12. Threatening your children or pets as an extreme form of intimidation. When physical, emotional, or financial threats do not work for the abuser as desired, they may make threats against others such as your loved ones, children and pets, who are also beloved members of the household.

That's a bad relationship. Israel and Gaza should split up. They should do it for the kids.

 

[Derec]

 

[ZiprHead]

Why did Netanyahu end the Gaza ceasefire?

The wave of Israeli strikes that killed hundreds of Palestinians across the Gaza Strip early Tuesday was the culmination of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s efforts to get out of the ceasefire with Hamas that he agreed to in January.

www.pbs.org

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Oh, you mean the disaster inflicted upon the Gazans by other Gazans.

Gazans didn’t kill those civilians, Tom.
Israeli militants did.

“He made me do it!” stopped being a valid excuse when you were in grade school.

"He made me do it" can be a valid excuse even in extreme conditions. Consider the ultimate example of it: justifiable homicide.

And in this case he's most certainly right. Hamas engineered what happened, they intended the result they got. To Hamas senior command the war was a major success.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Oh, you mean the disaster inflicted upon the Gazans by other Gazans.

Gazans didn’t kill those civilians, Tom.
Israeli militants did.

“He made me do it!” stopped being a valid excuse when you were in grade school.

Yes, Gazans (and their international supporters) most certainly did.
Tom

Even the estimates from Israel show that the noncombatant dead are over 10,000.

1) Note that he's assigning human shield deaths to Hamas.

2) A while back I posted a couple of links where Hamas inadvertently admitted that the numbers were wildly incorrect. Two separate indirect measures of casualties show most were military age males.

3) Note that for the most part Israel was simply accepting the Hamas numbers as claimed by the Health Ministry as they had no way of independent verification beyond discovering that ~10% of this was false. (People that died previously and people who clearly didn't exist in the first place.) Thus there is not really an Israeli estimate of the civilian dead and thus you can not make claims about what it supposedly is.

4) There's another category that I very much doubt will ever be enumerated: those killed by Hamas. They'll be reported as killed by Israel.

 

[Elixir]

Meanwhile

Israel Resumes Strikes on Gaza, Killing Hundreds​

Still wreaking vengeance. Their excuse is now over a year and a half old. Over 1700 Israelis have been killed by Hamas, virtually ALL during that one attack for which Israel has claimed 50,000 Gaza’s lives including over 18,000 children. No significant additional civilian deaths attributed to Hamas have been reported in the last year and a half, that I can find.
If it goes to 500,000 dead to ”pay for” what Hamas did in 2023, there will still be no repentance.
Unless Bibi is removed it may go to over a million dead from his genocidal means of staying in power.

 

[Politesse]

Meanwhile

Israel Resumes Strikes on Gaza, Killing Hundreds​

Still wreaking vengeance. Their excuse is now over a year and a half old. Over 1700 Israelis have been killed by Hamas, virtually ALL during that one attack for which Israel has claimed 50,000 Gaza’s lives including over 18,000 children. No significant additional civilian deaths attributed to Hamas have been reported in the last year and a half, that I can find.
If it goes to 500,000 dead to ”pay for” what Hamas did in 2023, there will still be no repentance.
Unless Bibi is removed it may go to over a million dead from his genocidal means of staying in power.

Israelis and Palestinian Arabs have killed far more of each other's numbers than those killed in this present conflict alone. This is already an intergenerational war, with children killing to avenge their great-grandparent's slights. This is how a region falls into a permanent state of war from which it can never recover. Even if Israel, or, impossibly Hamas, actually "won" the conflict, it could only hold until the next generation grows to fighting age and the slaughter resumes.

 

[Elixir]

Israelis and Palestinian Arabs have killed far more of each other's numbers than those killed in this present conflict alone.

Oh, I guess that makes genocide okay.

This is already an intergenerational war, with children killing to avenge their great-grandparent's slights.

They must really suck at it. Can you find some incidents since the 10/23 attack where children killed Israeli civilians?
I can’t.

Even if Israel, or, impossibly Hamas, actually "won" the conflict, it could only hold until the next generation grows to fighting age and the slaughter resumes.

Then we should ignore it?
Also, even if gays in the US were specifically protected from discrimination or physical threats by statute and it became taboo to insult them, the next generation would grow up to be homophobic bigots, so why bother.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Leave out the militants and human shields and you probably have a number smaller than the number of kidnapping victims from Israel.
Tom

Sick. After killing that many people, mostly women and children, that is not just a flimsy unsupported conjecture, it’s a transparent attempt to justify genocide.

When you base your position on things which are clearly untrue ("mostly women and children") you arrive at very wrong conclusions.

 

[Elixir]

When you base your position on things which are clearly untrue ("mostly women and children")

Our sources must differ wildly. Approximately 70% of the fatalities in Gaza during the ongoing conflict have been women and children, according to multiple reports from the United Nations and other organizations. What are YOUR sources, Loren?

you arrive at very wrong conclusions.

Yes, you seem to have swallowed Bibi’s line. And hook.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There's got to be a lot of people still buried under the rubble of demolished buildings.

And The Rat is finding tons of fraud.

(There are "10,000" under the rubble. That number has been consistent for IIRC a year or so. Nobody is being found under the rubble which could only happen if nobody was doing anything about the rubble. It's in the way, of course people are going to do something with it! Now, it's actually possible there are 10,000 that aren't being found because they were in the tunnels that got collapsed. But the tunnels were for Hamas, basically anyone down there is either Hamas or a Hamas captive.)

You're being just about as blind about Gaza as the MAGA crowd is about The Felon and The Rat.