How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[GenesisNemesis]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-attacked-airfield-near-engels-strategic-bomber-base-russian-officials-2025-03-20/

I am sure this administration will not call it an "escalation" despite the fact that it's a war and that's just what happens in wars.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Here's a good even headed Triggernometry video explaining why Trump got angry with Zelensky



I'm so fucking sick of today's media climate. It's not just that we're only exposed to biased news speaking to our base. But today, we're effectively shielded from reality. Unless we make an active effort to see other points of view. And this is harder than ever. Because Youtube and Facebook are invisibly filtering out the stuff you should see, in favour of the stuff you want to see. It's like everyone is delusional at the same time. And we have no way of knowing who's the most delusional. Is it me? Who the fuck knows?!? This is in a time where we have more access to correct information and fact checking than ever before. But how the fuck do you fact check stuff if it's unclear what needs to be fact checked, and what fact checkers are reliable?

I'm sick of both sidsing. If I have no reason to give Putin or Trump the benefit of the doubt, and I don't, then I won't. Oh am I being unfair to some of the most powerful people in the world who don't give a shit about anything other than power? Boohoo, fuck off.

He's not both sidsing. As if it's a competition of whose the most virtuous. He's just explaining what both sides want and their perspective.

At no point is Kisin defending Trump.

Trump thinks the war in Ukraine is an unnecessary cost and wants it ended ASAP, no matter what. He doesn't care about moral implications. He just wants the American government to spend less money. That's, in his mind, what his mission is

I'm impressed with how certain you are that your misimpressions are correct.

Trump doesn't care about cost. The dude dumped nearly $1 trillion a year deficits prior to the pandemic in his first term. He doesn't care about Ukraine at all, except in as much as Putin cares about Ukraine. DOGE is incapable of balancing the cost of the tax cuts Trump wants to make permanent. In fact, the GOP have to cut notably into Medicaid just to get the new debt of Trump's tax cut within reaching distance of the debt ceiling extension.

Balance the budget? No, his MO has always been to stiff everyone he can. Now it's America.

And his friend would like him to do that, also.

 

[TV and credit cards]

AP-Sweden plans largest military buildup since the Cold War amid Russia threat and uncertain US-EU ties
Politico EU-Poland gears up for war
DW-How the Bundeswehr will spend hundreds of billions of euros
But where's the money coming from and what social/economic stresses might it create?
One thing I trust, I hope will be disregarded will be any future Russian crocodile tears about EU's military buildup and placement of ranged systems.
Goldman Sachs-How much will rising defense spending boost Europe’s economy?

 

[bilby]

While there are unemployed people and other underutilised resoirces in an economy, a boost to military spending is not necessarily a bad idea.

Back in 2015, there was even a serious proposal to actually build a Death Star, or at least to do things that could, at some distant future date, render such a thing possible.

Apparently "wasteful" spending can be a huge positive in the long term. The Cold War led directly to all kinds of technology that we take for granted today, that might still be decades (or even centuries) in the future without the US-Soviet arms race of 1946-1990.

Building defences against the Russian threat, particularly with the assumption of US neutrality or even enmity in that threatened conflict, would probably be a good idea for every EU and/or (non-US) NATO member state; Not only from a defence perspective, but also on purely economic grounds.

 

[barbos]

AP-Sweden plans largest military buildup since the Cold War amid Russia threat and uncertain US-EU ties
Politico EU-Poland gears up for war
DW-How the Bundeswehr will spend hundreds of billions of euros
But where's the money coming from and what social/economic stresses might it create?
One thing I trust, I hope will be disregarded will be any future Russian crocodile tears about EU's military buildup and placement of ranged systems.
Goldman Sachs-How much will rising defense spending boost Europe’s economy?

Last time Swedes invaded Russia (ironically in Ukraine) they lost Finland.

 

[Harry Bosch]

AP-Sweden plans largest military buildup since the Cold War amid Russia threat and uncertain US-EU ties
Politico EU-Poland gears up for war
DW-How the Bundeswehr will spend hundreds of billions of euros
But where's the money coming from and what social/economic stresses might it create?
One thing I trust, I hope will be disregarded will be any future Russian crocodile tears about EU's military buildup and placement of ranged systems.
Goldman Sachs-How much will rising defense spending boost Europe’s economy?

Last time Swedes invaded Russia (ironically in Ukraine) they lost Finland.

No one wants to invade Russia. They want to stop Russian imperialism.

 

[barbos]

AP-Sweden plans largest military buildup since the Cold War amid Russia threat and uncertain US-EU ties
Politico EU-Poland gears up for war
DW-How the Bundeswehr will spend hundreds of billions of euros
But where's the money coming from and what social/economic stresses might it create?
One thing I trust, I hope will be disregarded will be any future Russian crocodile tears about EU's military buildup and placement of ranged systems.
Goldman Sachs-How much will rising defense spending boost Europe’s economy?

Last time Swedes invaded Russia (ironically in Ukraine) they lost Finland.

No one wants to invade Russia. They want to stop Russian imperialism.

Yet you keep invading Russia.

 

[Harry Bosch]

AP-Sweden plans largest military buildup since the Cold War amid Russia threat and uncertain US-EU ties
Politico EU-Poland gears up for war
DW-How the Bundeswehr will spend hundreds of billions of euros
But where's the money coming from and what social/economic stresses might it create?
One thing I trust, I hope will be disregarded will be any future Russian crocodile tears about EU's military buildup and placement of ranged systems.
Goldman Sachs-How much will rising defense spending boost Europe’s economy?

Last time Swedes invaded Russia (ironically in Ukraine) they lost Finland.

No one wants to invade Russia. They want to stop Russian imperialism.

Yet you keep invading Russia.

How can we invade a country with no soldiers? There isn’t a single US or NATO soldier in Russia. Regardless, you are avoiding the issue. European countries are waking up; they are uniting; arming up. They will be ready for the Orcs!

 

[TV and credit cards]

AP-Sweden plans largest military buildup since the Cold War amid Russia threat and uncertain US-EU ties
Politico EU-Poland gears up for war
DW-How the Bundeswehr will spend hundreds of billions of euros
But where's the money coming from and what social/economic stresses might it create?
One thing I trust, I hope will be disregarded will be any future Russian crocodile tears about EU's military buildup and placement of ranged systems.
Goldman Sachs-How much will rising defense spending boost Europe’s economy?

Last time Swedes invaded Russia (ironically in Ukraine) they lost Finland.

No one wants to invade Russia. They want to stop Russian imperialism.

Yet you keep invading Russia.

How can we invade a country with no soldiers? There isn’t a single US or NATO soldier in Russia. Regardless, you are avoiding the issue. European countries are waking up; they are uniting; arming up. They will be ready for the Orcs!

Might as well just give up the ruse. He's had our number from the beginning. It's true. The West's ultimate goal is to invade Russia and install a less corrupt government with an independent judiciary. I know this will be traumatizing for the Russian people, most of whom can only find happiness in suffering but generations to come will thank us.

 

[Elixir]

generations to come will thank us.

Methinks you underestimate the Russian addiction to suffering.

 

[barbos]

AP-Sweden plans largest military buildup since the Cold War amid Russia threat and uncertain US-EU ties
Politico EU-Poland gears up for war
DW-How the Bundeswehr will spend hundreds of billions of euros
But where's the money coming from and what social/economic stresses might it create?
One thing I trust, I hope will be disregarded will be any future Russian crocodile tears about EU's military buildup and placement of ranged systems.
Goldman Sachs-How much will rising defense spending boost Europe’s economy?

Last time Swedes invaded Russia (ironically in Ukraine) they lost Finland.

No one wants to invade Russia. They want to stop Russian imperialism.

Yet you keep invading Russia.

How can we invade a country with no soldiers? There isn’t a single US or NATO soldier in Russia. Regardless, you are avoiding the issue. European countries are waking up; they are uniting; arming up. They will be ready for the Orcs!

You have soldiers, they are Ukrainian, before that you had georgian soldiers, before that you had chechen soldiers.

 

[barbos]

Might as well just give up the ruse. He's had our number from the beginning. It's true. The West's ultimate goal is to invade Russia and install a less corrupt government with an independent judiciary.

Sure. Yeltsin government was less corrupt than Putin, sure.

 

[barbos]

How about US yearly intelligence report. Looks like Putin helped to write it, I am of course joking.
But that's gotta hurt.
"17 intelligence agencies" are now saying Russia is winning and there is nothing one can do about it. Plus of course, Russia is not threatening to anybody (except nazis). That's basically the whole report.

 

[barbos]

Long story short. Ukro-nazi propaganda claims that russian forces hit near school damaging it, showing pictures of the damaged building. Then full video is published which clearly shows fire in a nearby building and a secondary explosion which clearly proves that weapons were stored there. Now it was leaked that russian forces had nothing to do with any of that. Nazi dumbasses had a fire in one of their ammo dump conveniently placed near school.

 

[ZiprHead]

AP-Sweden plans largest military buildup since the Cold War amid Russia threat and uncertain US-EU ties
Politico EU-Poland gears up for war
DW-How the Bundeswehr will spend hundreds of billions of euros
But where's the money coming from and what social/economic stresses might it create?
One thing I trust, I hope will be disregarded will be any future Russian crocodile tears about EU's military buildup and placement of ranged systems.
Goldman Sachs-How much will rising defense spending boost Europe’s economy?

Last time Swedes invaded Russia (ironically in Ukraine) they lost Finland.

No one wants to invade Russia. They want to stop Russian imperialism.

Yet you keep invading Russia.

How can we invade a country with no soldiers? There isn’t a single US or NATO soldier in Russia. Regardless, you are avoiding the issue. European countries are waking up; they are uniting; arming up. They will be ready for the Orcs!

You have soldiers, they are Ukrainian, before that you had georgian soldiers, before that you had chechen soldiers.

Ever wonder why it's so easy to get people pissed off at you?

 

[Elixir]

Yet you keep invading Russia.

^^^ that has to be the single STUPIDEST thing ever posted here.
Yet you keep letting gremlins invade what’s left of your head.
Were you hanging out with RFK? B’cuz it seems like ya got a brain worm.

 

[ZiprHead]

Yet you keep invading Russia.

^^^ that has to be the single STUPIDEST thing ever posted here.
Yet you keep letting gremlins invade what’s left of your head.
Were you hanging out with RFK? B’cuz it seems like ya got a brain worm.

I think what he means is people are invading places he thinks should be Russia.

 

[Elixir]

I think what he means is people are invading places he thinks should be Russia.

??? That would in no way mitigate the stupidity. In fact it might amplify it.

 

[ZiprHead]

I think what he means is people are invading places he thinks should be Russia.

??? That would in no way mitigate the stupidity. In fact it might amplify it.

Absolutely.

 

[barbos]

AP-Sweden plans largest military buildup since the Cold War amid Russia threat and uncertain US-EU ties
Politico EU-Poland gears up for war
DW-How the Bundeswehr will spend hundreds of billions of euros
But where's the money coming from and what social/economic stresses might it create?
One thing I trust, I hope will be disregarded will be any future Russian crocodile tears about EU's military buildup and placement of ranged systems.
Goldman Sachs-How much will rising defense spending boost Europe’s economy?

Last time Swedes invaded Russia (ironically in Ukraine) they lost Finland.

No one wants to invade Russia. They want to stop Russian imperialism.

Yet you keep invading Russia.

How can we invade a country with no soldiers? There isn’t a single US or NATO soldier in Russia. Regardless, you are avoiding the issue. European countries are waking up; they are uniting; arming up. They will be ready for the Orcs!

You have soldiers, they are Ukrainian, before that you had georgian soldiers, before that you had chechen soldiers.

Ever wonder why it's so easy to get people pissed off at you?

Speak for yourself, Nuland disagrees with you.
If Hegemon was in our place, Ukraine/Georgia/Baltic States would have been bombed into stone age long time ago.
You fucking bomb countries and assassinate their leaders for mere idea of not using dollars.