Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[seanie]

There are many societies who recognise a third "gender".

With one single exception, all those societies have constructed a third category for males who don't conform to the societal stereotype of being masculine.

Not females, only males.

Do you know who's absolutely fine with males participating in female sport?

Iran.

Where you can be executed for being homosexual, but if you're a "trans woman" you can play on the national soccer team.

Patriarchal, homophobic societies, have created a third category to deal with gay men short of executing them.

Trans away the gay.

 

[seanie]

Trans ideology, that "trans women are women, trans men are men, no debate", is not only fundamentally stupid, it's inherently misogynistic and homophobic.

 

[seanie]

Because they are pointless, and because there is no point. You’ve made up your mind as the rest of your straw man filled response shows.

"I could easily refute your points, I'm just not going to bother,"

 

[seanie]

Sex is entirely and completely a result of the fact that we evolved to reproduce sexually. Sex is NOT about anything more than reproductive role, and it has NOTHING to do with capacity or intent. It is exclusively about which developmental path your body went down. Humans are NOT exceptional in this, we are just like any other anisogamous species.

This.

A thousand times.

 

[seanie]

Again, an argument could be made that a person's sex is always and everywhere unimportant.

Again, obviously not a good argument, but it could be attempted.

Asserting that sex isn't binary, that it's incredibly complicated, that it's a spectrum, that we can't possibly be sure of person's sex?

That's just fucking stupid.

 

[seanie]

Tangential, but amusing.

 

[laughing dog]

Why exactly is it the male person’s problem and not your?

Misogyny and male entitlement perfectly captured.

A perfectly captured deeply reasoned impaired response.

No, she has a point.

Women have been conditioned for millennia to fear or at least avoid unclothed men/exposed penises except under very strict circumstances.

It is not reasonable to expect women to set all that aside on some men’s say so. It does absolutely reek of entitlement for men to refuse to recognize this, particularly when men are the reason women are afraid.

I asked a specific question of a specific poster. A woman may have good reasons to be intimidated by males in general in an intimate space or not. I did not make a generalization.

But if I wrote "I get uncomfortable and feel intimidated when I run into a black teenager in an intimate space" as a reason to deny black teenagers into intimate spaces, would that be reasonable and understandable? I don't think so. But it is the same underlying reasoning.

No, it’s not.

White men do not have a long, long history of being attacked by black teenagers. They have not been raised to fear sexual assault, they are not blamed if/when they are attacked and their virtue and moral character is not maligned if they have been attacked by a black teenager.

Fear of being attacked is still fear. It has the same effect on the person whether or not the fear is reasonable.

 

[ZiprHead]

I know a woman who installed curtains in her car windows so she could go out to the parking lot to pee in privacy, because her workplace in its infinite wisdom decided to make the women's restroom "gender neutral".

There were no doors on the stalls?

I can't even.

Why not?

Why did you ask "There were no doors on the stalls?"? Was that a serious question? Do you genuinely think "The stall doors were missing." is a more likely explanation for why a woman would pee in a jar in the parking lot than that it's psychologically less awful for her than having to pee with a man she doesn't know right outside the stall? Or was it a rhetorical question, intended to convey a sentiment to the effect of "Why can't a woman be more like a man?"? Either way, for you to write something that tone-deaf makes me wonder if you even know any women.

I already told the story of working at a concert venue and announcing my self before entering the women's restroom/shower area and a woman on the toilet in a stall told me to come on in.

Frankly, the woman in your story sounds like a prude. Does she think men think women don't actually urinate? Was she 14 years old?

 

[Toni]

I know a woman who installed curtains in her car windows so she could go out to the parking lot to pee in privacy, because her workplace in its infinite wisdom decided to make the women's restroom "gender neutral".

There were no doors on the stalls?

I can't even.

Why not?

Why did you ask "There were no doors on the stalls?"? Was that a serious question? Do you genuinely think "The stall doors were missing." is a more likely explanation for why a woman would pee in a jar in the parking lot than that it's psychologically less awful for her than having to pee with a man she doesn't know right outside the stall? Or was it a rhetorical question, intended to convey a sentiment to the effect of "Why can't a woman be more like a man?"? Either way, for you to write something that tone-deaf makes me wonder if you even know any women.

I already told the story of working at a concert venue and announcing my self before entering the women's restroom/shower area and a woman on the toilet in a stall told me to come on in.

Frankly, the woman in your story sounds like a prude. Does she think men think women don't actually urinate? Was she 14 years old?

Some people have more inhibitions around bodily functions. Some cultures do as well. In Japan, for instance, there are toilets that play music so that others cannot hear you urinate.

For myself, imagining a first date, for example, I would not be thrilled at sharing a public toilet facility with a guy I thought was cute and hoped would think I was cute, too. Especially if I needed to change a tampon. Of course I would know that the guy would know that I urinated and defecated and used tampons but that doesn’t mean I’d be thrilled about him actually seeing or hearing the evidence. My husband and I generally give each other privacy in the bathroom. We’ve been married for decades and there are zero secrets about our bodies. But we’d both prefer to go to the toilet alone and I certainly would prefer he fart in a different room.

 

[Politesse]

With one single exception, all those societies have constructed a third category for males who don't conform to the societal stereotype of being masculine.

This is a serious mischaracterization of the phenomenon of third genders. "Not conforming to the stereotype of being masculine" is not how or why someone is declared hijra, mahu, or so forth. It is true that anatomically male people were and are much more likely to be declared such when they are very young, no doubt because men giving up male status (or rather their family giving it up, as is true in most cases) is a very different ask than granting that status to someone born a woman.

My point, though, is that gender ambiguity is not a new phenomenon by any stretch of the imagination. Gender usually follows sex, and sex is complicated - all human societies have tacitly recognized this, even cultures that did so negatively by trying to institute harsh penalties for homosexuals and cross-drrssers. If sex ambiguity did not exist, no divine mandate punishing gender "non-conformists" would be necessary. There would simply be some cultures without third or trans-gendered persons. But that is not the reality that history testifies to.

 

[seanie]

The only country I’m aware of that has a tradition of women identifying as men is Albania.

 

[Politesse]

The only country I’m aware of that has a tradition of women identifying as men is Albania.

In this thread: seanie confesses to never having so much as met a trans man..

 

[Politesse]

You're also dead wrong in the wider sense, but I'm not going to bother compiling a list of hundreds of cultures just so you can go "nuh uh!" and refuse to read it. I'm fairly certain you are already aware of the existence of contrary cases, in the sense of having been told about them before and refused to learn anything then either. It's too absurd a claim to be genuinely meant.

 

[TomC]

The only country I’m aware of that has a tradition of women identifying as men is Albania.

In this thread: seanie confesses to never having so much as met a trans man..

And once again, you leap to the defense of your ideology with a strawman ad hom.
Tom

 

[seanie]

In this thread: seanie confesses to never having so much as met a trans man..

No, I was talking about tradition. I know a few females who identify as male, including a close relation.

 

[seanie]

It’s indicative of gender ideology that declarations of how wrong the gender critical perspective is, and how easily it can be refuted, are never accompanied by explanations of why it’s wrong, or an actual refutation.

That’s “pointless” apparently.

There isn’t a coherent underpinning; it’s slogans, dogma, and magical thinking.

 

[Politesse]

The only country I’m aware of that has a tradition of women identifying as men is Albania.

In this thread: seanie confesses to never having so much as met a trans man..

And once again, you leap to the defense of your ideology with a strawman ad hom.
Tom

Never heard of a joke before, Tom?

 

[seanie]

Where’s the humour?

 

[TomC]

The only country I’m aware of that has a tradition of women identifying as men is Albania.

In this thread: seanie confesses to never having so much as met a trans man..

And once again, you leap to the defense of your ideology with a strawman ad hom.
Tom

Never heard of a joke before, Tom?

Pardon me, but your stance as a trans ideologist came through a lot better than your comedy.
Tom

 

[seanie]

I was referring to the Balkan Sworn Virgins.

Whose acceptance is clearly conditional.