Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[pood]

You can stand with common humanity, or with the enemies of common humanity — the Trumps, Putins, Netanyahus, Hamas, Iranian mullahs, North Korean dictators, and so many others. You can’t stand with both, and you can’t stand with one without standing against the other.. So if you stand with, say, Netanyahu, you stand not just against Hamas but also against Gazans and common humanity everywhere.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It’s deeply disturbing that someone would invoke the rape of women, not to seek justice or solidarity, but to excuse the killing of women in Gaza.

It's the classic example of victim blaming.

 

[bilby]

So if you stand with, šay

Who is Šay? Judging by the accent, I am guessing he's Czech or Slovakian?

 

[Gospel]

It’s deeply disturbing that someone would invoke the rape of women, not to seek justice or solidarity, but to excuse the killing of women in Gaza.

It's the classic example of victim blaming.

That post you quoted was in response to this.

Many on here claim that Hamas' actions are due to Israel's actions. Let's reframe that a bit: rape is due to women being immodest. (The Israeli action that's behind everything: existence.)

Nice try trying to deflect from the fact that you’re advocating collective punishment against Palestinian women and children, by weaponizing the trauma of rape victims to justify it. It’s manipulative, transparent, and disgusting.

 

[Elixir]

when you consider what’s waiting around the corner, he starts to look a lot more measured. Some of his coalition partners are openly calling for the mass displacement of Palestinians, and that’s a nightmare scenario. In that context, Netanyahu is far from a problem, it’s the extremists around him

Yeah - the extremists with whom he surrounds himself.
Trump couldn’t get away with most of the crap Stephen Miller spouts, either. But he acts on it whenever he thinks he can.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Whu is it so important to you that Hamas stays in power?

Why is it so important to you that Israel keep starving Gazan children? Why is it so important you to smear others on this forum as anti-Semites and pro-Hamas?

Everyone will notice, of course, that this awful slaughter has been going on for nearly two years, and many hostages are dead or not returned, and Hamas is still in power. But what is really going on here is that Netanyahu’s savage war sates his blood lust and that of his fans.

Why is it so important to you to believe that Israel is starving children? Or even that children are starving? And why is it so important to you to deny that Hamas is killing children?

 

[pood]

So if you stand with, šay

Who is Šay? Judging by the accent, I am guessing he's Czech or Slovakian?

I don’t why I have stupid spellcheck on, it does shit like that all the time, and I can spell very well without it. *hurries to turn off spellcheck*

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The question is not whether they are building a bomb, but whether they are in a position to build a bomb.

That’s just recycled panic dressed up as strategy. If Iran isn’t building a bomb, then spinning 'what if' scenarios is nothing but fear-mongering. Plenty of nations, Japan, Germany, Brazil, have the capability to build one, but we don’t treat them like threats. Why? Because intent matters.

The production of weapons grade uranium is a clear indication of intent. There are very few non-military situations where it is used. The other nations you mention are not producing HEU.

 

[pood]

Fixed it in the meantime.

 

[Gospel]

Whu is it so important to you that Hamas stays in power?

Why is it so important to you that Israel keep starving Gazan children? Why is it so important you to smear others on this forum as anti-Semites and pro-Hamas?

Everyone will notice, of course, that this awful slaughter has been going on for nearly two years, and many hostages are dead or not returned, and Hamas is still in power. But what is really going on here is that Netanyahu’s savage war sates his blood lust and that of his fans.

Why is it so important to you to believe that Israel is starving children? Or even that children are starving? And why is it so important to you to deny that Hamas is killing children?

Why should anyone bother answering your dumbass questions when you never provide a single source to back up your dumbass opinions?

 

[TomC]

You can stand with common humanity, or with the enemies of common humanity — the Trumps, Putins, Netanyahus, Hamas, Iranian mullahs, North Korean dictators, and so many others. You can’t stand with both, and you can’t stand with one without standing against the other.. So if you stand with, šay, Netanyahu, you stand not just against Hamas but also against Gazans and common humanity everywhere.

Nonsense.
Unlike the others on your list, Netanyahu is the leader of a country that is responding to a violent attack from their neighbors.

That's not to say he's a saint or anything, but he and his country are not comparable to Russia or GWM or anyone else like them.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

The question is not whether they are building a bomb, but whether they are in a position to build a bomb.

That’s just recycled panic dressed up as strategy. If Iran isn’t building a bomb, then spinning 'what if' scenarios is nothing but fear-mongering. Plenty of nations, Japan, Germany, Brazil, have the capability to build one, but we don’t treat them like threats. Why? Because intent matters.

The production of weapons grade uranium is a clear indication of intent. There are very few non-military situations where it is used. The other nations you mention are not producing HEU.

You're right. Weapons-grade uranium is mostly used for weapons and was rightly treated as a red flag. The other nations I mentioned don't have to produce what they already have.

 

[pood]

Whu is it so important to you that Hamas stays in power?

Why is it so important to you that Israel keep starving Gazan children?

Starving children is immoral. It is immoral to think that starving children is something of no importance.

Why is it so important you to smear others on this forum as anti-Semites and pro-Hamas?

Everyone will notice, of course, that this awful slaughter has been going on for nearly two years, and many hostages are dead or not returned, and Hamas is still in power. But what is really going on here is that Netanyahu’s savage war sates his blood lust and that of his fans.

Why is it so important to you to believe that Israel is starving children?

Israel is starving children.

Or even that children are starving?

What is it not important to you that children are starving?

And why is it so important to you to deny that Hamas is killing children?

I never denied that. But Israel is doing even more to starve them and kill them, much more. NoHolyCows has gone over with you quite extensively the moral bankruptcy of your position. I never excused anything Hanas ever did and you know it, so stop making that baseless charge. Any further charges of supporting Hamas or of antisemitism against anyone here will be reported.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Still disgusted by the nerve of Zoidberg accusing me of supporting Hamas, this clown whispering sweet nothings about 'human shields' like it’s some moral insight. But what does he do? He hides behind Israeli children just the same, using their suffering to justify the mass punishment of other children who simply had the misfortune of being born on the wrong side of the fence. The truth is, he doesn’t hate the tactic, he just can’t get off on it once he sees how grotesque it looks reflected back at him with Hamas’ face in the mirror.

The problem is he believes your actions are willful rather than because you have been duped.

 

[laughing dog]

Whu is it so important to you that Hamas stays in power?

Why is it so important to you that Israel keep starving Gazan children? Why is it so important you to smear others on this forum as anti-Semites and pro-Hamas?

Everyone will notice, of course, that this awful slaughter has been going on for nearly two years, and many hostages are dead or not returned, and Hamas is still in power. But what is really going on here is that Netanyahu’s savage war sates his blood lust and that of his fans.

Why is it so important to you to believe that Israel is starving children? Or even that children are starving? And why is it so important to you to deny that Hamas is killing children?

Why is so important to you to deny that children are starving? Why is it so important to you to deny that the IDF is killing civilians?

 

[TomC]

The question is not whether they are building a bomb, but whether they are in a position to build a bomb.

That’s just recycled panic dressed up as strategy. If Iran isn’t building a bomb, then spinning 'what if' scenarios is nothing but fear-mongering. Plenty of nations, Japan, Germany, Brazil, have the capability to build one, but we don’t treat them like threats. Why? Because intent matters.

The production of weapons grade uranium is a clear indication of intent. There are very few non-military situations where it is used. The other nations you mention are not producing HEU.

The Bush II administration clearly demonstrated why Iran needs a nuclear deterrent. To protect itself against threats from another nuclear tipped power, the USA.

I hate the fact that they're doing it, but I totally understand why they are. Obama tried to get the USA and Iran on a path towards peace. But the Teaparty obstructionists and Trump made it clear that they need one, and cannot trust any USA peace deal for longer than a political cycle.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

Still disgusted by the nerve of Zoidberg accusing me of supporting Hamas, this clown whispering sweet nothings about 'human shields' like it’s some moral insight. But what does he do? He hides behind Israeli children just the same, using their suffering to justify the mass punishment of other children who simply had the misfortune of being born on the wrong side of the fence. The truth is, he doesn’t hate the tactic, he just can’t get off on it once he sees how grotesque it looks reflected back at him with Hamas’ face in the mirror.

The problem is he believes your actions are willful rather than because you have been duped.

That’s rich. People believe all sorts of absurd things. I mean, DrZoidberg seriously thinks his fetish for tying women up somehow makes him a hit with Iranian women, that’s the level of delusion we’re dealing with. But sure, let’s pretend I’m the one disconnected from reality.

Still, none of that excuses repeating the same baseless claim over and over, especially after it's been challenged and disproven multiple times. Hell, I believe he gets off on watching children suffer and probably has an entire library of videos stashed in his bedroom, but you don’t see me dragging that out in every thread, do you?

 

[bilby]

The production of weapons grade uranium is a clear indication of intent. There are very few non-military situations where it is used.

Sure. But there are non-bomb situations. If Iran wanted a small, nuclear powered submarine, for example, 60% HEU would be a suitable fuel for such a vessel.

Military use, for sure. But not an atom bomb.

 

[TomC]

Why is so important to you to deny that children are starving? Why is it so important to you to deny that the IDF is killing civilians?

Loren said no such thing.
What he he has pointed out is that the overwhelming majority of the responsibility for that is GWM, not Israeli defense.
Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

likens Israel’s burden to that of London during the blitz (omitting to note that Britain did not start its war with Germany)

Why would he point out the obvious?
That's one of things about all this that is maddening. Israel, like Britain, are fighting a defensive war. They were attacked. Germany and the GWM are the attackers.

But a ton of people want to handwave the basic responsibility for the current situation with "both sides" nonsense.

Israel didn't build military installations under hospitals. Pretending that hitting an Israeli hospital is the same as hitting a military fortress with a hospital above it is profoundly bigoted and immoral.
Tom

Tom, what's maddening is how easily you reduce a deeply complex, decades-long conflict into a fairy tale of good guys and bad guys. No one’s excusing Hamas' crimes, but pretending that Israel's hands are clean, or that this is some black-and-white 'defensive war' ignores years of blockade, occupation, and asymmetric power dynamics.

We aren't trying to reduce it into a fairy tale. But you are preaching the Hamas gospel by blaming blockade, occupation and power dynamics. None of those existed when the war started, therefore they can't be the reason for the war.

And Gaza isn't occupied, you can't blame occupation.

And calling 'both sides' arguments immoral? What’s actually immoral is using one side’s atrocities to justify ignoring the suffering of civilians on the other. If your morality only applies when your preferred team gets hurt, it’s not morality, it’s tribalism dressed up in outrage.

Error: you are equating "atrocity" with "suffering civilians".

And you are assuming that suffering civilians must be due to the other side's actions.