Are people already regretting their choice?

[Gospel]

I like "belligerently ignorant."

I think ‘racially motivated’ is a more accurate description than simply 'gullible' or 'belligerently Ignorant.' After all, look at the policies MAGA voters consistently support, voter ID laws and voter roll purges that disproportionately affect Black and Latino communities, opposition to immigration policies that favor non-European countries, attacks on diversity programs in education and hiring, and resistance to police reform even after nationally publicized killings of unarmed Black people. These aren’t random accidents of ignorance, they’re patterns that almost always end up hurting communities of color the most.

They are only 'belligerently ignorant' to the fact that it harms them as well.

 

[unapologetic]

The 2.5 minute version:

 

[Toni]

I like "belligerently ignorant."

I think ‘racially motivated’ is a more accurate description than simply 'gullible' or 'belligerently Ignorant.' After all, look at the policies MAGA voters consistently support, voter ID laws and voter roll purges that disproportionately affect Black and Latino communities, opposition to immigration policies that favor non-European countries, attacks on diversity programs in education and hiring, and resistance to police reform even after nationally publicized killings of unarmed Black people. These aren’t random accidents of ignorance, they’re patterns that almost always end up hurting communities of color the most.

They are only 'belligerently ignorant' to the fact that it harms them as well.

What really drives that home is the welcoming of white 'refugees' from South Africa. For those not certain about the racist intentions. For the really slow folks.

 

[Swammerdami]

Clearly, some people are taking this "haha you got what you voted for" thing a little too far:
... "Bless their hearts."

Some voters in Kerr County did not want to accept "Biden's money" to improve flood-control infrastructure and accepted part of it only upon learning that if they turned it down it would go to a "blue state" instead of a state that "shares Kerr County values."

I found this so astounding I posted some of these weird Kerr Country comments in another thread:

In 2021, Kerr County was awarded a $10.2 million windfall from the American Rescue Plan Act, or ARPA, which Congress passed that same year to support local governments impacted by the pandemic. Cities and counties were given flexibility to use the money on a variety of expenses, including those related to storm-related infrastructure. Corpus Christi, for example, allocated $15 million of its ARPA funding to “rehabilitate and/or replace aging storm water infrastructure.” Waco’s McLennan County spent $868,000 on low water crossings.

Kerr County did not opt for ARPA to fund flood warning systems despite commissioners discussing such projects nearly two dozen times since 2016. In fact, a survey sent to residents about ARPA spending showed that 42% of the 180 responses wanted to reject the $10 million bonus altogether, largely on political grounds.

“I’m here to ask this court today to send this money back to the Biden administration, which I consider to be the most criminal treasonous communist government ever to hold the White House,” one resident told commissioners in April 2022, fearing strings were attached to the money.

“We don't want to be bought by the federal government, thank you very much,” another resident told commissioners. “We'd like the federal government to stay out of Kerr County and their money.”

Kerr Country accepted (and then misspent) only a part of "Biden's money" and did that only because otherwise the money would have gone to a "blue state!"

Even Kelly, the Kerr County judge remarked that this “old law partner” – U.S. Sen. John Cornyn – had told him that if the county did not spend the money it would go back to blue states.

“As far as where that money sits for the next year or two, my old law partner John Cornyn tells me that if we send it back it’s going to New Jersey or it’s going to New York or it’s going to … or California,” Kelly said. “And so I don’t know if I’d rather be the custodian of the money until we decide what we have to do with it rather than giving it back to the government to spend it on values that we in Kerr County don’t agree with.”

It's easy to take pity on people with cancer or mental illness. Taking pity on willfully-ignorant MAGGOTS who are besotted with irrational hatreds is more difficult, though of course it is still the right thing to do.

 

[Elixir]

Taking pity on willfully-ignorant MAGGOTS who are besotted with irrational hatreds is more difficult, though of course it is still the right left thing to do.

FIFY

 

[Derec]

I think ‘racially motivated’ is a more accurate description than simply 'gullible' or 'belligerently Ignorant.' After all, look at the policies MAGA voters consistently support, voter ID laws

What's racially motivated, or in any way wrong about voter ID laws? How difficult is it to get id really? Reminds me of this video.

and voter roll purges that disproportionately affect Black and Latino communities,

To the extent that purges of eligible voters happen, it is of course wrong, but it should not be lumped together with things like voter id, or race-neutral cleanups of voter rolls (such as removing anybody who has been inactive for years, regardless of race).

opposition to immigration policies that favor non-European countries,

Why should "non-European countries" be favored for immigration? Note you were not saying that these people support favoring European countries, but that they object to non-European countries being given a preference.

In general, I think one criterion, currently completely neglected, for immigration should be cultural compatibility. And most people from say Afghanistan or Somalia are not a good cultural fit. That does not mean that no people from those countries woudl be a good fit, but any prospective migrant should be vetted, and if a country has 98% support for Sharia Law, most people would rightly be rejected.

attacks on diversity programs in education and hiring,

People should not be given preferential treatment in education or hiring because of their race. The so-called "affirmative action" is so unpopular that a referendum to reinstate it failed even in California in 2020.
I could see people being given a small boost in admissions for individual circumstances, like low family income, but I do not see why the son of a black Coca-Cola vice president or the daughter of a V103 radio DJ should be given preferential treatment over, say, the son of a Chinese grocer or the daughter of a white coal miner.

and resistance to police reform even after nationally publicized killings of unarmed Black people.

First of all, "unarmed" does not mean that the suspect wasn't a threat. It does not mean that a shooting wasn't justified. See Michael Brown. And activists tend to claim that a perp was "unarmed" when they were armed with a replica firearm like for example Tyre King in Columbus or Quanice Hayes in Portland. Since there is no way to determine whether a gun is real or replica in real time, these people should be regarded as armed, not unarmed.
Lastly, what type of "reform"? I would not be averse to meaningful reforms that lead to better training of police officers. But this talk of "defunding police" or even "abolishing police" is highly counterproductive. As are proposals to make policing more difficult, like making it easier to sue or prosecute police in edge cases. Police should be judged based on the situation at the time, and given the fact that they have to react in real time (also considering the finite time to process any threat, and the delay in motor cortex processing and impulses travelling down motor neurons to the hand muscles), and do not have the luxury to review footage frame by frame before making the decision to fire or not to fire. Also, some cities have banned police from conducting certain traffic stops. That makes traffic more dangerous, but it also means that fewer serious people will be caught. For example, Timothy McVeigh was caught during a routine traffic stop.

These aren’t random accidents of ignorance, they’re patterns that almost always end up hurting communities of color the most.

They usually are, for example when the "prince of Brooklyn Center" Daunte Wright got shot, it was because the officer accidentally mistook her gun for her taser. Now, the reason why these things happen more often with communities of certain color more is because they commit, per capita, more violent crime. Blacks commit ~6x more homicides and robberies than whites, according to FBI data, as well as 2x as many rapes, aggravated assaults and theft offenses. That's why they interact more with the police, on a per-capita basis, and obviously there is more opportunity to get shot and killed, whether justified or not.

They are only 'belligerently ignorant' to the fact that it harms them as well.

Everybody can be harmed by police being inadequately trained, or by wrong people being hired. But also, everybody is harmed, including "communities of color" when police are hampered in their work becuase of racial politics. Or even when police do their work, but the other parts of the criminal justice system let the perps walk over and over again, as is happening in New York.

Serial NYC shoplifter waltzes free despite staggering 254 arrests

NY bail deform has proven to be a colossal failure.

 

[Derec]

What really drives that home is the welcoming of white 'refugees' from South Africa. For those not certain about the racist intentions. For the really slow folks.

Everybody knows that the only true refugees and asylum seekers are brown and/or Muslim. Even if they only come here for economic reasons.
Photo of Drowned Migrants Captures Pathos of Those Who Risk It All

The young family from El Salvador — Mr. Martínez, 25, Valeria and her mother, Tania Vanessa Ávalos — arrived last weekend in the border city of Matamoros, Mexico, hoping to apply for asylum in the United States.
[...]
Others are seeking an economic lifeline.
Such was the case with Mr. Martínez and his wife, who left El Salvador in early April intent on starting fresh in the United States, according to Jorge Beltran, a reporter for El Diario de Hoy in El Salvador who interviewed some of the couple’s relatives.
“They went for the American dream,” Wendy Joanna Martínez de Romero, said from her home in El Salvador.
Mr. Martínez quit his job at Papa John’s, where he had earned about $350 a month. By then, his wife had already left her job as a cashier at a Chinese restaurant to take care of their daughter.
The couple lived with Mr. Martínez’s mother in the community of Altavista, a massive housing complex of tiny concrete houses east of San Salvador, according to Mr. Beltran.

I do not think living with your mother should be grounds for asylum. No matter how politically correct (or "woke") the color of your skin is.

 

[Toni]

What really drives that home is the welcoming of white 'refugees' from South Africa. For those not certain about the racist intentions. For the really slow folks.

Everybody knows that the only true refugees and asylum seekers are brown and/or Muslim. Even if they only come here for economic reasons.
Photo of Drowned Migrants Captures Pathos of Those Who Risk It All

The young family from El Salvador — Mr. Martínez, 25, Valeria and her mother, Tania Vanessa Ávalos — arrived last weekend in the border city of Matamoros, Mexico, hoping to apply for asylum in the United States.
[...]
Others are seeking an economic lifeline.
Such was the case with Mr. Martínez and his wife, who left El Salvador in early April intent on starting fresh in the United States, according to Jorge Beltran, a reporter for El Diario de Hoy in El Salvador who interviewed some of the couple’s relatives.
“They went for the American dream,” Wendy Joanna Martínez de Romero, said from her home in El Salvador.
Mr. Martínez quit his job at Papa John’s, where he had earned about $350 a month. By then, his wife had already left her job as a cashier at a Chinese restaurant to take care of their daughter.
The couple lived with Mr. Martínez’s mother in the community of Altavista, a massive housing complex of tiny concrete houses east of San Salvador, according to Mr. Beltran.

I do not think living with your mother should be grounds for asylum. No matter how politically correct (or "woke") the color of your skin is.

Broadly speaking, there are all types of asylum ( not necessarily under the current set of US economic laws) There is a question of whether economic asylum should be honored or not and what the criteria should be.

Wanting to come and be rich in America is not, to me, a valid reason to be granted asylum. Fearing for your life or being unable to earn enough income to support yourself or family might well be enough reason, depending on circumstances. Also, almost all immigrants figure out quickly that $10K US may be a lot of money in their country but it isn’t that much here in America where rents and groceries are very expensive, even if iPhones are relatively cheap here.

 

[laughing dog]

What really drives that home is the welcoming of white 'refugees' from South Africa. For those not certain about the racist intentions. For the really slow folks.

Everybody knows that the only true refugees and asylum seekers are brown and/or Muslim. Even if they only come here for economic reasons.
Photo of Drowned Migrants Captures Pathos of Those Who Risk It All

The young family from El Salvador — Mr. Martínez, 25, Valeria and her mother, Tania Vanessa Ávalos — arrived last weekend in the border city of Matamoros, Mexico, hoping to apply for asylum in the United States.
[...]
Others are seeking an economic lifeline.
Such was the case with Mr. Martínez and his wife, who left El Salvador in early April intent on starting fresh in the United States, according to Jorge Beltran, a reporter for El Diario de Hoy in El Salvador who interviewed some of the couple’s relatives.
“They went for the American dream,” Wendy Joanna Martínez de Romero, said from her home in El Salvador.
Mr. Martínez quit his job at Papa John’s, where he had earned about $350 a month. By then, his wife had already left her job as a cashier at a Chinese restaurant to take care of their daughter.
The couple lived with Mr. Martínez’s mother in the community of Altavista, a massive housing complex of tiny concrete houses east of San Salvador, according to Mr. Beltran.

I do not think living with your mother should be grounds for asylum. No matter how politically correct (or "woke") the color of your skin is.

Please point to who is seeking asylum because they are living with their mother.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Everybody can be harmed by police being inadequately trained, or by wrong people being hired. But also, everybody is harmed, including "communities of color" when police are hampered in their work becuase of racial politics. Or even when police do their work, but the other parts of the criminal justice system let the perps walk over and over again, as is happening in New York.

Serial NYC shoplifter waltzes free despite staggering 254 arrests

NY bail deform has proven to be a colossal failure.

Has it? Because the NY Post said so? Link

Saying it is a "colossal failure" provides one with a specific image of crime skyrocketing in NYC.

Our analysis found that eliminating bail for most misdemeanor and nonviolent felony cases significantly reduced recidivism.63 Over a two-year tracking period, this association reached a robust magnitude for overall re-arrest (44% vs. 50%) and was also statistically significant for felony re-arrest (24% vs. 27%).In short, given the core policy tradeoffs at stake, our research indicates that a failure to have passed the original bail reforms would have maintained higher net recidivism rates in New York City.

 

[Elixir]

Please point to who is seeking asylum because they are living with their mother.

As usual, it’s easier to point to the xenophobes who think such people actually exist in significant numbers.
THEY are more of a problem than the phantom threats they invent as a focus for their hatred.

 

[ZiprHead]

The Cubans and Argentinians in Florida who supported Trump sure aren't happy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think ‘racially motivated’ is a more accurate description than simply 'gullible' or 'belligerently Ignorant.' After all, look at the policies MAGA voters consistently support, voter ID laws

What's racially motivated, or in any way wrong about voter ID laws? How difficult is it to get id really? Reminds me of this video.

There are counties in my state with no office that can issue ID.

And my wife had to spend hundreds of dollars on a legal name change to resolve a long-ago harmless mistake.

and voter roll purges that disproportionately affect Black and Latino communities,

To the extent that purges of eligible voters happen, it is of course wrong, but it should not be lumped together with things like voter id, or race-neutral cleanups of voter rolls (such as removing anybody who has been inactive for years, regardless of race).

But it's not neutral. The office itself remains "neutral", but citizens challenge a gazillion Democrats.

And Democrats are more likely to live in areas where their ID might be stolen in a purse-snatching. And more likely to not be in a position to take a day off work to replace the stolen ID.

In general, I think one criterion, currently completely neglected, for immigration should be cultural compatibility. And most people from say Afghanistan or Somalia are not a good cultural fit. That does not mean that no people from those countries woudl be a good fit, but any prospective migrant should be vetted, and if a country has 98% support for Sharia Law, most people would rightly be rejected.

How do you measure this?

attacks on diversity programs in education and hiring,

People should not be given preferential treatment in education or hiring because of their race. The so-called "affirmative action" is so unpopular that a referendum to reinstate it failed even in California in 2020.
I could see people being given a small boost in admissions for individual circumstances, like low family income, but I do not see why the son of a black Coca-Cola vice president or the daughter of a V103 radio DJ should be given preferential treatment over, say, the son of a Chinese grocer or the daughter of a white coal miner.

Exactly. I keep pointing out that it helps those that would have made it anyway and does almost nothing about those it's supposed to help and I keep running into a total inability to understand that a bimodal distribution produces the "right" mean but that that is not a remotely accurate measure of the result.

and resistance to police reform even after nationally publicized killings of unarmed Black people.

First of all, "unarmed" does not mean that the suspect wasn't a threat. It does not mean that a shooting wasn't justified. See Michael Brown. And activists tend to claim that a perp was "unarmed" when they were armed with a replica firearm like for example Tyre King in Columbus or Quanice Hayes in Portland. Since there is no way to determine whether a gun is real or replica in real time, these people should be regarded as armed, not unarmed.

And remember that the officer is armed. It is completely reasonable for someone to regard someone they are in conflict with trying to take their weapon as a deadly threat.

Lastly, what type of "reform"? I would not be averse to meaningful reforms that lead to better training of police officers. But this talk of "defunding police" or even "abolishing police" is highly counterproductive. As are proposals to make policing more difficult, like making it easier to sue or prosecute police in edge cases. Police should be judged based on the situation at the time, and given the fact that they have to react in real time (also considering the finite time to process any threat, and the delay in motor cortex processing and impulses travelling down motor neurons to the hand muscles), and do not have the luxury to review footage frame by frame before making the decision to fire or not to fire. Also, some cities have banned police from conducting certain traffic stops. That makes traffic more dangerous, but it also means that fewer serious people will be caught. For example, Timothy McVeigh was caught during a routine traffic stop.

Yup, what you can see in a frame-by-frame is far greater than what someone can see at the time. We get occasional ones where in hindsight no threat was intended (local one that they tried to try in the press: guy was loopy on opiates. Non-compliant with officer's instructions. Finally handed his gun over barrel first--actually, in it's holster to in hindsight we know he was handing it over, not trying to shoot. Even if they realized it was holstered that still doesn't mean the holster actually fits and protects the trigger.)

To get a reasonable picture of what they're going on look at the video one second before the lead flew. It generally takes at least that long to make a shoot/don't-shoot decision, and that includes countering a previous shoot decision. Note that this is much slower than the feedback on the much simpler loop of point gun at target, shoot. Thus you get cases that in hindsight you can see that the attacker had turned and run, but gets shot anyway.

They are only 'belligerently ignorant' to the fact that it harms them as well.

Everybody can be harmed by police being inadequately trained, or by wrong people being hired. But also, everybody is harmed, including "communities of color" when police are hampered in their work becuase of racial politics. Or even when police do their work, but the other parts of the criminal justice system let the perps walk over and over again, as is happening in New York.

Serial NYC shoplifter waltzes free despite staggering 254 arrests

NY bail deform has proven to be a colossal failure.

Yeah. The bail system was horrible in that it was to a large degree punishment without trial, but it did function reasonably well on a statistical basis, keeping minor offenders behind bars. We came along and fixed the surface problem without looking at the deeper problem.

 

[Swammerdami]

I herewith make two apologies. [/sarcasm]

(1) On the opposite side of the aisle the MAGGOTs use nicknames to help their supporters remember whom to hate. "Kamala" is hard to spell, but who can forget "Heels Up" Harris? "Sleepy Joe," "Lying Joe," "Hussein Obama" -- How could America's imbeciles remember whom to hate without such shorthands? Similarly, Elizabeth Warren must always be called "Pocahontas" -- Hi @Derec ! -- lest we forget her heinous perjury.

For those not a fan of genealogy, Warren's 3-gt grandmother, Neoma Ocie, was shown as "Cherokee" on her marriage certificate, making the fine Senator 1/32 Cherokee and, whimsically she mentioned this once on her mini-bio. But DNA tests -- which she took and released to end the Cherokee-blood controversy which threatened to become the next Benghazi -- showed that she was only 1/64 Cherokee (still much more than most Americans). Perhaps the most parsimonious solution is that Neoma's mother was raped by a white man. It is understandable that this rape was not passed down as part of the family folklore.

(I can't chastise the fine Senator for her whimsy in mentioning her Native ancestry, though she did so BEFORE DNA tests were widely available. I proudly boast that John Brown of Osawatomie is my relative though the consanguinity is much less than that of Neoma to Warren.)

My apology is for NOT deploying nicknames. Kristi Noem, whatever else she may be, has a pulchritudinous face and could be earning $1000's per day in a high-class brothel. Instead she spends her days helping Trump make America great again. Surely she'd have a nickname if she caucused on the rational side of the aisle. How about "the Puppy-Killing Cowgirl"?

(2) In this thread I've been blaming the Puppy-Killing Gowgirl and other Deplorables for the tragic floods in Texas. But now I "learn" that Trump and his merry band are NOT to blame. The floods were the work of Satan and/or the Democrats:

Shemane Nugent — who hosts a show on the far-right network Rumble — [] claimed during an interview with Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller that the "biblical tragedy" in Kerr County was done as a means of attacking President Donald Trump. She went on to say that an electromagnetic pulse (or EMP) may have also triggered the floods.

""I believe it's spiritual warfare. Now, Satan, you know, comes to steal, kill, and destroy," Nugent said. "And how best to do that, Sid, but to come after God's children, especially innocent young girls who just wanted to learn scriptures."

"I really feel like this is just ramping up," Nugent said later in the show while interviewing a guest selling equipment meant to repel EMP attacks. "Something's got to happen."

""Because with Trump back in office, the enemy, the deep state, doesn't want him to succeed," she added. "And they know that their days are numbered. So, you know, I feel like what happened in Texas recently, that's just the beginning. We're going to see a lot more attacks like that."

The Kerr County floods, which took place in an area known as "Flash Flood Alley," took place shortly after Trump signed the "One Big Beautiful Bill Act" into law that slashed funding for weather forecasting done by the National Weather Service (NWS). Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) personally advocated for the cuts before going on a scheduled vacation to Greece.

According to the New York Times, a career NWS warnings coordinator had taken a buyout offer after Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) recommended cutting her job. That warnings coordinator had previously worked with Texas emergency management officials to prepare for flooding, which includes giving residents enough time in advance to evacuate the area.

 

[Gospel]

Why should "non-European countries" be favored for immigration? Note you were not saying that these people support favoring European countries, but that they object to non-European countries being given a preference.

Maybe I should have been clearer. What I’m saying is that people only seem to complain about policies favoring certain countries when they realize those policies are benefiting groups they personally dislike.

For example Affirmative action programs, especially in employment and education, were designed to promote diversity and correct historical discrimination by giving underrepresented groups better access to opportunities. However, white women have been among the primary beneficiaries. The only reason people bitch about Affirmative action is because it helps NIGERS.

The current screaming over illegal immigrants is all about brown people when there are more than just brown illegal immigrants. sure you can argue that there's just so many brown ones in comparison to say, Asia/Europe ones (for sake of argument) however In theory, it’s easier to identify and locate these individuals than someone who entered without documentation. Yet there exists mostly crickets from ICE on Asia/Europe arrests.

 

[Shadowy Man]

My apology is for NOT deploying nicknames. Kristi Noem, whatever else she may be, has a pulchritudinous face and could be earning $1000's per day in a high-class brothel.

I guess, if expressionless vapidity turns you on. I’ve seen more lifelike robots.

 

[unapologetic]

I think one criterion, currently completely neglected, for immigration should be cultural compatibility.

Are you sure about that? Need I remind you that you and I, as atheists, are not the cultural norm?

I would ban Is-lame-icks. But that makes me a hypocrite.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

For example Affirmative action programs, especially in employment and education, were designed to promote diversity and correct historical discrimination by giving underrepresented groups better access to opportunities. However, white women have been among the primary beneficiaries. The only reason people bitch about Affirmative action is because it helps NIGERS.

Why do you have to make everything about race?

The primary benefit was to white women because there aren't the cultural issues of the inner city. And it's been obvious that it has gone too far with white women.

And Niger is a country, where are you finding more than one of them??

The current screaming over illegal immigrants is all about brown people when there are more than just brown illegal immigrants. sure you can argue that there's just so many brown ones in comparison to say, Asia/Europe ones (for sake of argument) however In theory, it’s easier to identify and locate these individuals than someone who entered without documentation. Yet there exists mostly crickets from ICE on Asia/Europe arrests.

Reich wing needs bogeymen and likes the Nazis

 

[blastula]

How it started,

We Tried Trump Burger in Texas So You Don’t Have To

Restaurants like Trump Burger compel diners to consider: When does a burger stop being just a burger?

houston.eater.com

Owner Roland Beainy, a Lebanese immigrant who says he opened the restaurant in support of Trump, has been candid with local media. Though his restaurants have no official affiliation with the president, Beainy has said he thinks Trump greatly improved the economy during his first presidency (spoiler: he didn’t) and hopes to collaborate with him one day.

How it's going,

Trump Burger Chain Embroiled in Lawsuits | The Fayette County Record

Cease and Desist Letter Sent to Local Restaurants by Trump Organization, One Owner Faces Immigration Hearing One of the people behind the Trump Burger restaurants in Flatonia and Kemah might get his green card revoked, according to documents obtained by the Record this week. Roland Beainy, who...

www.fayettecountyrecord.com

Furthermore, the notice stated that, “We have been notified that Roland Beainy is currently detained by ICE and his green card has been revoked. He is no longer recognized as a leaseholder or authorized representative of Trump Burger Kemah LLC.”

 

[blastula]