For those of you who think MAGA Trump supporters are in a cult

[Jarhyn]

Doesn't say whether there was any real trafficking going on.

It does when the known pattern is to accuse other people loudly before accusations against them can come to light, so as to make people not ready for "another" conspiracy of the same genre.

The reality is that people have talked about and discussed what happened. It's well known that trafficking happened, and that Trump was a procurer for it.

What we have already seen is damning.

I'm sure there was trafficking, I'm saying Pizzagate isn't evidence of it.

PizzaGate is evidence of its own special secondary crime in the attempt to cover up and prevent awareness of the actual crime that was about to take place.

I'm talking about the same phenomena as seen by intelligence agencies in stoking crazy conspiracy theories for the sake of disrupting the public belief in real events.

Personally and I don't have any evidence to support this but I think QAnon's focus on sex trafficing and blaming it on Democrats was a false flag operation to deflect away from Republicans and Trump in particular. It's kinda brilliant if you think about it.

Exactly.

This is more clear than I managed to be.

During his previous presidency and the candidacy leading to it, it was commonly said that every accusation from the Trump camp was a confession. Seems accurate.

And now we come full circle as to why we know there was something BIG, probably the Epstein bust, in the pipeline.

Given that Trump's name is circled in the black book, and that apparently means participation in the racket, and the fact that Trump's team and handlers ultimately were responsible for promoting it...

I think this provides enough filaments of evidence to see that Trump was involved with a plot involving the kidnapping and trafficking and rape of minors, not PizzaGate, but something disturbingly like it involving a private island and some billionaires, and more than one head of state.

I don’t disagree but exactly how is this news? I don’t mean to be offensive and it’s not directed at you but to me, this is extremely old news. I’m not sure why it’s coming up now.

As for whether Trump ordered the hit on Epstein ? I think there were probably lots of names on that list who could have done.

And somebody better check on Ghislaine. I don’t like her chances.

Well, the reason for it being allowed into the public awareness is that the billionaires who aren't on the list, who were too smart to fall for the Honeypot trap, are going to float free of this now that their agenda has been accomplished. They will put Vance in Trump's place, because he fucks couches, not children.

He is still a king and will be used until they can, if I'm going to give complete voice to my fears, put an AI or other sort of figurehead in place Black Mirror style.

 

[Toni]

Doesn't say whether there was any real trafficking going on.

It does when the known pattern is to accuse other people loudly before accusations against them can come to light, so as to make people not ready for "another" conspiracy of the same genre.

The reality is that people have talked about and discussed what happened. It's well known that trafficking happened, and that Trump was a procurer for it.

What we have already seen is damning.

I'm sure there was trafficking, I'm saying Pizzagate isn't evidence of it.

PizzaGate is evidence of its own special secondary crime in the attempt to cover up and prevent awareness of the actual crime that was about to take place.

I'm talking about the same phenomena as seen by intelligence agencies in stoking crazy conspiracy theories for the sake of disrupting the public belief in real events.

Personally and I don't have any evidence to support this but I think QAnon's focus on sex trafficing and blaming it on Democrats was a false flag operation to deflect away from Republicans and Trump in particular. It's kinda brilliant if you think about it.

Exactly.

This is more clear than I managed to be.

During his previous presidency and the candidacy leading to it, it was commonly said that every accusation from the Trump camp was a confession. Seems accurate.

And now we come full circle as to why we know there was something BIG, probably the Epstein bust, in the pipeline.

Given that Trump's name is circled in the black book, and that apparently means participation in the racket, and the fact that Trump's team and handlers ultimately were responsible for promoting it...

I think this provides enough filaments of evidence to see that Trump was involved with a plot involving the kidnapping and trafficking and rape of minors, not PizzaGate, but something disturbingly like it involving a private island and some billionaires, and more than one head of state.

I don’t disagree but exactly how is this news? I don’t mean to be offensive and it’s not directed at you but to me, this is extremely old news. I’m not sure why it’s coming up now.

As for whether Trump ordered the hit on Epstein ? I think there were probably lots of names on that list who could have done.

And somebody better check on Ghislaine. I don’t like her chances.

Well, the reason for it being allowed into the public awareness is that the billionaires who aren't on the list, who were too smart to fall for the Honeypot trap, are going to float free of this now that their agenda has been accomplished. They will put Vance in Trump's place, because he fucks couches, not children.

If a being resurrected. This ‘news’ is at least 10 years old.

The timing is interesting. Don’t get me : I sincerely hopes it destroys MAGA forever. But the timing makes it feel like a distraction ruin to keep a from realizing what next horrible thing they are doing.

Also is it still called a Honeypot if there are kids and coercion involved?

Do you think Vance can ‘lead’ the GOP? I have serious doubts.

 

[Jarhyn]

Doesn't say whether there was any real trafficking going on.

It does when the known pattern is to accuse other people loudly before accusations against them can come to light, so as to make people not ready for "another" conspiracy of the same genre.

The reality is that people have talked about and discussed what happened. It's well known that trafficking happened, and that Trump was a procurer for it.

What we have already seen is damning.

I'm sure there was trafficking, I'm saying Pizzagate isn't evidence of it.

PizzaGate is evidence of its own special secondary crime in the attempt to cover up and prevent awareness of the actual crime that was about to take place.

I'm talking about the same phenomena as seen by intelligence agencies in stoking crazy conspiracy theories for the sake of disrupting the public belief in real events.

Personally and I don't have any evidence to support this but I think QAnon's focus on sex trafficing and blaming it on Democrats was a false flag operation to deflect away from Republicans and Trump in particular. It's kinda brilliant if you think about it.

Exactly.

This is more clear than I managed to be.

During his previous presidency and the candidacy leading to it, it was commonly said that every accusation from the Trump camp was a confession. Seems accurate.

And now we come full circle as to why we know there was something BIG, probably the Epstein bust, in the pipeline.

Given that Trump's name is circled in the black book, and that apparently means participation in the racket, and the fact that Trump's team and handlers ultimately were responsible for promoting it...

I think this provides enough filaments of evidence to see that Trump was involved with a plot involving the kidnapping and trafficking and rape of minors, not PizzaGate, but something disturbingly like it involving a private island and some billionaires, and more than one head of state.

I don’t disagree but exactly how is this news? I don’t mean to be offensive and it’s not directed at you but to me, this is extremely old news. I’m not sure why it’s coming up now.

As for whether Trump ordered the hit on Epstein ? I think there were probably lots of names on that list who could have done.

And somebody better check on Ghislaine. I don’t like her chances.

Well, the reason for it being allowed into the public awareness is that the billionaires who aren't on the list, who were too smart to fall for the Honeypot trap, are going to float free of this now that their agenda has been accomplished. They will put Vance in Trump's place, because he fucks couches, not children.

If a being resurrected. This ‘news’ is at least 10 years old.

The timing is interesting. Don’t get me : I sincerely hopes it destroys MAGA forever. But the timing makes it feel like a distraction ruin to keep a from realizing what next horrible thing they are doing.

Also is it still called a Honeypot if there are kids and coercion involved?

Do you think Vance can ‘lead’ the GOP? I have serious doubts.

It's a Honeypot in terms of "blackmail".

I don't think Vance can lead shit. I halfway expect this to be the moment when the Christian churches proclaim the fall of the antichrist in the decline of Trump and... Use that to leverage their funds in support of a Christian theocracy in the US.

Maybe they select a Jesus figurehead, but it won't be Vance if they try to play religious prophecy against people.

 

[Toni]

Doesn't say whether there was any real trafficking going on.

It does when the known pattern is to accuse other people loudly before accusations against them can come to light, so as to make people not ready for "another" conspiracy of the same genre.

The reality is that people have talked about and discussed what happened. It's well known that trafficking happened, and that Trump was a procurer for it.

What we have already seen is damning.

I'm sure there was trafficking, I'm saying Pizzagate isn't evidence of it.

PizzaGate is evidence of its own special secondary crime in the attempt to cover up and prevent awareness of the actual crime that was about to take place.

I'm talking about the same phenomena as seen by intelligence agencies in stoking crazy conspiracy theories for the sake of disrupting the public belief in real events.

Personally and I don't have any evidence to support this but I think QAnon's focus on sex trafficing and blaming it on Democrats was a false flag operation to deflect away from Republicans and Trump in particular. It's kinda brilliant if you think about it.

Exactly.

This is more clear than I managed to be.

During his previous presidency and the candidacy leading to it, it was commonly said that every accusation from the Trump camp was a confession. Seems accurate.

And now we come full circle as to why we know there was something BIG, probably the Epstein bust, in the pipeline.

Given that Trump's name is circled in the black book, and that apparently means participation in the racket, and the fact that Trump's team and handlers ultimately were responsible for promoting it...

I think this provides enough filaments of evidence to see that Trump was involved with a plot involving the kidnapping and trafficking and rape of minors, not PizzaGate, but something disturbingly like it involving a private island and some billionaires, and more than one head of state.

I don’t disagree but exactly how is this news? I don’t mean to be offensive and it’s not directed at you but to me, this is extremely old news. I’m not sure why it’s coming up now.

As for whether Trump ordered the hit on Epstein ? I think there were probably lots of names on that list who could have done.

And somebody better check on Ghislaine. I don’t like her chances.

Well, the reason for it being allowed into the public awareness is that the billionaires who aren't on the list, who were too smart to fall for the Honeypot trap, are going to float free of this now that their agenda has been accomplished. They will put Vance in Trump's place, because he fucks couches, not children.

If a being resurrected. This ‘news’ is at least 10 years old.

The timing is interesting. Don’t get me : I sincerely hopes it destroys MAGA forever. But the timing makes it feel like a distraction ruin to keep a from realizing what next horrible thing they are doing.

Also is it still called a Honeypot if there are kids and coercion involved?

Do you think Vance can ‘lead’ the GOP? I have serious doubts.

It's a Honeypot in terms of "blackmail".

I don't think Vance can lead shit. I halfway expect this to be the moment when the Christian churches proclaim the fall of the antichrist in the decline of Trump and... Use that to leverage their funds in support of a Christian theocracy in the US.

Maybe they select a Jesus figurehead, but it won't be Vance if they try to play religious prophecy against people.

Yeah, I'm not seeing anyone with much charisma in the whole of the GOP.....

 

[Swammerdami]

RVonse -- can you explain your claim ("only Trump (as commander in chief) would know this") in a brief coherent paragraph? If not, I'm afraid that I must agree with Bronzeage: Your claim is inexplicable unless you believe that Trump has some special Communion with the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.

I carelessly assumed everyone including you knew that the US is a representative democracy.

That our structure of governance gives the POTUS knowledge of worldwide affairs normal citizens do not have access. My statement having the exact same meaning regardless who the current POTUS was. We give the POTUS more information we can not know so that he can make decisions quickly in the course of normal affairs.

Let me walk you through this slowly. We distinguish two cases: A NORMAL Potus, and the incumbent, a senescent sociopath.

Does a NORMAL Potus know much more than you or I? Obviously. But normal Presidents are not omniscient; they rely on briefings from intelligence officers and other advisors. They may be very clever and wise, but they don't have unique knowledge.

In fact, some foreign policy disasters have occurred BECAUSE a Potus assumed he was "the smartest man in the room." JFK walked into Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis out of arrogance. GWB should have consulted his Daddy before embarking on his stupid adventure.

So your comment would be wrong even if we were speaking of a "Normal" Potus. But we weren't. We were speaking of Donald Trump.

Serious question: There are ZILLIONS of books and articles that offer insight into Trump's intelligence and character. Would I guess correctly to think you've read ZERO of them? Learn a little about this Semi-literate Clown you admire so much. I'll recommend Fire and Fury but there are "zillions" of alternatives, written by insiders.

IF you could bear to learn the truth about this senescent and foolish criminal you admire so much, THEN you would understand why most of us find your comment to be hilariously stupid.

 

[Jarhyn]

Doesn't say whether there was any real trafficking going on.

It does when the known pattern is to accuse other people loudly before accusations against them can come to light, so as to make people not ready for "another" conspiracy of the same genre.

The reality is that people have talked about and discussed what happened. It's well known that trafficking happened, and that Trump was a procurer for it.

What we have already seen is damning.

I'm sure there was trafficking, I'm saying Pizzagate isn't evidence of it.

PizzaGate is evidence of its own special secondary crime in the attempt to cover up and prevent awareness of the actual crime that was about to take place.

I'm talking about the same phenomena as seen by intelligence agencies in stoking crazy conspiracy theories for the sake of disrupting the public belief in real events.

Personally and I don't have any evidence to support this but I think QAnon's focus on sex trafficing and blaming it on Democrats was a false flag operation to deflect away from Republicans and Trump in particular. It's kinda brilliant if you think about it.

Exactly.

This is more clear than I managed to be.

During his previous presidency and the candidacy leading to it, it was commonly said that every accusation from the Trump camp was a confession. Seems accurate.

And now we come full circle as to why we know there was something BIG, probably the Epstein bust, in the pipeline.

Given that Trump's name is circled in the black book, and that apparently means participation in the racket, and the fact that Trump's team and handlers ultimately were responsible for promoting it...

I think this provides enough filaments of evidence to see that Trump was involved with a plot involving the kidnapping and trafficking and rape of minors, not PizzaGate, but something disturbingly like it involving a private island and some billionaires, and more than one head of state.

I don’t disagree but exactly how is this news? I don’t mean to be offensive and it’s not directed at you but to me, this is extremely old news. I’m not sure why it’s coming up now.

As for whether Trump ordered the hit on Epstein ? I think there were probably lots of names on that list who could have done.

And somebody better check on Ghislaine. I don’t like her chances.

Well, the reason for it being allowed into the public awareness is that the billionaires who aren't on the list, who were too smart to fall for the Honeypot trap, are going to float free of this now that their agenda has been accomplished. They will put Vance in Trump's place, because he fucks couches, not children.

If a being resurrected. This ‘news’ is at least 10 years old.

The timing is interesting. Don’t get me : I sincerely hopes it destroys MAGA forever. But the timing makes it feel like a distraction ruin to keep a from realizing what next horrible thing they are doing.

Also is it still called a Honeypot if there are kids and coercion involved?

Do you think Vance can ‘lead’ the GOP? I have serious doubts.

It's a Honeypot in terms of "blackmail".

I don't think Vance can lead shit. I halfway expect this to be the moment when the Christian churches proclaim the fall of the antichrist in the decline of Trump and... Use that to leverage their funds in support of a Christian theocracy in the US.

Maybe they select a Jesus figurehead, but it won't be Vance if they try to play religious prophecy against people.

Yeah, I'm not seeing anyone with much charisma in the whole of the GOP.....

It won't be someone in the GOP if they pick someone. It's going to be someone who is in entertainment, or someone who is religiously placed, or maybe "just some guy".

 

[ZiprHead]

The Donald is suing the Wall Street Journal over the letter. My guess is the WSJ's legal department has already gone over their report with a fine tooth comb and lots of "allegedly" and other such words will keep them on the right side of the case.

 

[unapologetic]

cults are almost always lead by a charismatic, malignant narcissistic male.

Reminds me of a quote.
"Cults have a chaismatic, malignant, narcisstic leader.
In religions, that leader is dead."

I was energized by Kamala Harris’ short campaign, yet somehow didn’t feel the need to wrap myself up in her name ...

Ditto, me too.
I supported Biden because he WAS NOT RUMP. I actually wanted to vote for Harris.

MAGA has shot itself in the foot on this one. And, I fucking love it.

Me too.

Reposted from reddit:

In that first vid, Why did they keep censoring the word 'pedaphile'? to just "ped... ". Weird.

MAGA voters can just not vote for Trump with no consequences

Because our ballots are SECRET.

Sorry.
Sorry I lost my temper on that.
He DID publicly threaten (tweat) to campaign against the re-election of House and Senete Repugs who voted against his Big Ugly Bill. Their votes are public record. He has been witholding funds from 'blue' states. I have no doubt He WOULD punish MAGA votes against him, if the Heritage Foundation could tell him how.
This is WHY our ballots are secret.

 

[unapologetic]

And if it means bringing down the US gov’t ( which would require massive resignations - an unlikely outcome), then good.

Rump would never allow something else, other than himself or muskrat, to bring down the govcernment.

What's supposed to be the scenario for bringing down the government

In movies, governments are often broght down by scandels. But electing Rump WAS the scandel, that may still bring us down. He has already knocked us out of the #1 spot.

People who need to talk about what stable geniuses they are are neither stable nor genius.

You will notice, I never claim to be stable nor genius. (smirk)

 

[unapologetic]

this is extremely old news. I’m not sure why it’s coming up now.

The question is, What are we being diverted from?

 

[Colonel Sanders]

cults are almost always lead by a charismatic, malignant narcissistic male.

Reminds me of a quote.
"Cults have a chaismatic, malignant, narcisstic leader.
In religions, that leader is dead."

I was energized by Kamala Harris’ short campaign, yet somehow didn’t feel the need to wrap myself up in her name ...

Ditto, me too.
I supported Biden because he WAS NOT RUMP. I actually wanted to vote for Harris.

MAGA has shot itself in the foot on this one. And, I fucking love it.

Me too.

Reposted from reddit:

In that first vid, Why did they keep censoring the word 'pedaphile'? to just "ped... ". Weird.

MAGA voters can just not vote for Trump with no consequences

Because our ballots are SECRET, dumbass.

Sorry.
Sorry I lost my temper on that.
He DID publicly threaten (tweat) to campaign against the re-election of House and Senete Repugs who voted against his Big Ugly Bill. Their votes are public record. He has been witholding funds from 'blue' states. I have no doubt He WOULD punish MAGA votes against him, if the Heritage Foundation could tell him how.
This is WHY our ballots are secret.

I can't explain to you how to derive context from what others write.

 

[unapologetic]

The use of the word/term "cult" is mostly inappropriate here. In a cult, non-leadership members are personally punished for criticizing leadership by any number of means including being ostracized. MAGA voters can just not vote for Trump with no consequences to themselves or those they care about. Then they can change their minds and love him again.

Again, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to start a fight.
But my point is, How does having the ability (probably unused) to vote against him, make the term 'cult' inappropeiate? When the leadership will never know.
Perhaps you chose a bad example of your point.

 

[RVonse]

Trump supporters burn Maga hats after he dismisses Epstein files furor as ‘hoax’

Mike Pence is latest prominent figure to call for release of files on sex offender once close to president

www.theguardian.com

I did not ever think I would see Democrats and MAGA in so much agreement with each other as they appear to be now.

 

[Swammerdami]

I did not ever think I would see Democrats and MAGA in so much agreement with each other as they appear to be now.

... Especially weird is that the MAGGOTS' alleged focus is to unveil the sexual mistreatment of young women. Odd since they had no problem with confirmed rape accusations against Trump, nor his boasting that he could "grab pussy." Why the change? Here is one possible explanation:

MAGGOTS are basically sheeple believing what they're told to believe and, although the hardcore MAGGOTs get their information from "Truth Social" or other hard-core Fascist propaganda engines, a large majority still rely mostly on FoXNews. But FoxNews is ceasing to be a strong supporter of Trump. Indeed it was the WSJ -- part of the same right-wing Murdoch empire as owns FoxNews -- which revealed Trump's Happy Birthday message to Epstein. And the Murdoch family has two good reasons to reject Trump now:

(1) As I explained in another post, the right-wing billionaires have gotten what they wanted and more. Regulators like FDA have been so decimated by Musk/DOGE terrorism that they will be ineffective for a decade or more; election rigging is well in place; and the Big Beautiful Bill Act effectively moved TRILLIONS from the education and health care of average Americans to the pockets of billionaires. It's time to say "Thank you very very much, you Orange Brute, but it's time to give control back to people with 100+ IQs."

(2) Rupert Murdoch is 94 years old, and control of his Bullshit Machine will pass to his children. A legal battle is in progress between the oldest son Lachlan and his left-of-center siblings but even Lachlan has qualms about the Malignant Narcissist:

Although it has been assumed that Lachlan is more conservative than his siblings, it was reported that he did not support Trump's presidency, and kept toilet paper printed with his face in his house during the 2016 campaign.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I'll believe this is liberal copium until there are actual consequences to Trump/GOP.

Bold prediction: there won't be any consequences.

 

[Swammerdami]

The comedians Klepper and Kosta summarize Epstein_File_Gate and present solutions to the puzzle.

 

[Patooka]

I'll believe this is liberal copium until there are actual consequences to Trump/GOP.

Bold prediction: there won't be any consequences.

You're not wrong, but I still think Democrats should Benghazi the fuck out of this.

 

[barbos]

I'll believe this is liberal copium until there are actual consequences to Trump/GOP.

Bold prediction: there won't be any consequences.

Hard to predict any consequences when the first consequence on the list is the pool of donors, politicians and media personalities for both parties suddenly shortens due to their departure to prison.
The guy has been dead since 2019 (that is during Senile administration). So no, list is not going to get published.

 

[ZiprHead]

I'll believe this is liberal copium until there are actual consequences to Trump/GOP.

Bold prediction: there won't be any consequences.

Hard to predict any consequences when the first consequence on the list is the pool of donors, politicians and media personalities for both parties suddenly shortens due to their departure to prison.
The guy has been dead since 2019 (that is during Senile administration). So no, list is not going to get published.

You're a psychopath, like your boss Putin.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I'll believe this is liberal copium until there are actual consequences to Trump/GOP.

Bold prediction: there won't be any consequences.

Hard to predict any consequences when the first consequence on the list is the pool of donors, politicians and media personalities for both parties suddenly shortens due to their departure to prison.
The guy has been dead since 2019 (that is during Senile administration). So no, list is not going to get published.

You're a psychopath, like your boss Putin.

Don't make me agree with Barbos, buuuuuuut, what's he wrong about here?

No person of any power and/or wealth remaining on the list is going to suffer consequences and the list isn't going to be published anyway. It may as well be moved into Area 51. Not the one with the fake aliens, but the one with the real aliens. The Greys and Reptilians will read it before any of us do. While some may argue that Trumpco are indeed Reptilians, science has yet to provide a definitive answer.