Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Loren Pechtel]

Worst-case scenario of famine happening in Gaza.

Not that our genocide fanboys give a shit. They like it.

And why should we believe it this time? It's failed to materialize again and again. Hamas still can't fine a genuine starving kid despite trying for more than a year.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Considering the general level of retardation in the posts of this thread, I think I'm one of the few who actually know what they're talking about. It's entertaining to see that the most clueless posters seem to be among the most confident. A finer example of the Dunning-Kruger paradox in action is hard to find.

I don't think it's Dunning-Kruger, but a demonstration of how easy it is to brainwash people.

 

[laughing dog]

So you're a committed wife beater then?

I’ve often wondered if those that employ such a despicable slander are simply projecting.

I produced a rationale for my observation. Flinging unsupported allegations is a form of evasion. If you have a rational supported by the content of my posts, you should provide it to avoid looking like an asshat.

Quit playing stupid, you know what "wife beater" means in this context and it has nothing to do with domestic violence.

Of course it has something to do with domestic violence - hence the accusation of wife beater.

It is used because it is an passive aggressive awful insult that gets people's attention. Of course, one can make the point about assuming the outcome without such an accusation.

Yet here you are, whiteknighting the use from an avowed bigot and supporter of the ethnic cleansing of the Gazans. Hmmm.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Netanyahu decided to enact siege tactics, tactics that some in here agree with. Hunger would be a natural result of siege tactics. I'm uncertain why those who support these tactics are now questioning the easily predictable results of them.

Hamas led Gazans decided to launch a war against Israel. It continues to this day.

I'm uncertain why the apologists act surprised that the easily predictable results continue since Gazans are not interested in a peaceful resolution.
Tom

Gazans are not interested in peaceful solutions or Hamas is not interested in peaceful solutions? What evidence do you have that Israel is interested in peaceful solutions?

People often interchange the name of a population with the government of the population.

No one here is defending Hamas. So the only apologists are those who are defending the IDF - that includes you. There is no reasons why you should be uncertain about what you are defending.

You think you're not defending Hamas, but your only acceptable solutions are to give Hamas every opportunity to kill Jews.

 

[laughing dog]

No, I don’t. Its horrible. The suffering of Gazans is a tragedy.

But easing up on the pressure will give room to Hamas to survive. Better to get rid of them once and for all.

Allowing Hamas to survive is the worse tragedy. This is better. For both the Palestinians and Israelis. Long term.

So, you are for ethnic cleansing.

Hamas is not an ethnicity.

Quit playing stupid.

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous.

 Ethnic_cleansing

 

[laughing dog]

Netanyahu decided to enact siege tactics, tactics that some in here agree with. Hunger would be a natural result of siege tactics. I'm uncertain why those who support these tactics are now questioning the easily predictable results of them.

Hamas led Gazans decided to launch a war against Israel. It continues to this day.

I'm uncertain why the apologists act surprised that the easily predictable results continue since Gazans are not interested in a peaceful resolution.
Tom

Gazans are not interested in peaceful solutions or Hamas is not interested in peaceful solutions? What evidence do you have that Israel is interested in peaceful solutions?

People often interchange the name of a population with the government of the population.

So what. Tom C can answer for himself.

No one here is defending Hamas. So the only apologists are those who are defending the IDF - that includes you. There is no reasons why you should be uncertain about what you are defending.

You think you're not defending Hamas, but your only acceptable solutions are to give Hamas every opportunity to kill Jews.

What nonsense. It makes as much sense as you think you are defending Israel but your only accepteble solution is the genocide of the Palestinians.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

NY Times is yet again caught publishing Hamas propaganda without checking it out first.

NYT quietly alters Gaza starvation story to include key details of child's medical condition

According to your link, there appears no dispute that the child is also malnourished in addition to hus pre-existing medical conditions.

<Thwack! I think I need a bigger clue-by-4>

Nobody's denying he's malnourished. But you are assuming without the slightest evidence that the problem is an inability to obtain food, not an inability to digest food. In the real world not everybody can digest food. Most of those can eat through a needle, but not all of them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Even if the UN stocks are physically inside Gaza, they arrived there only because Israel opened the crossings, vetted the convoys, and granted security clearances. When aid sits idle behind closed gates—or under military “coordination”—the state with control over borders and checkpoints bears responsibility for any holdup, not the NGOs grumbling about pay rates.

And once again we are back to throwing out irrelevancies. And repeating things I have already repeatedly shown false.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It is easy to criticize genocide I'll do it all day every day. Go fuck yourself.

Calling it genocide is antisemitic racist clap trap. Enjoy siding with evil

Israel is not Jews. Criticizing Israel isn't criticizing Jews. It isn't antisemitic to criticize Israel. It isn't even antisemitic to criticize Jews if they deserve it. Calling a spade a spade is adhering to reality. Enjoy fantasy.

But it almost always is a way to pretend not to be antisemitic.

Just look at the recent flap with the Vueling flight where they tossed off about 50 "Israeli brats"--that were French. And given the repeatedly changing explanations (which contradict the stories from other passengers) it's obviously antisemitism. And Spain seems to be siding with the airline.

I am accusing Israel of committing genocide. I'm not accusing Jews of committing genocide. Which if you think about it is the only thing that makes sense seeing as how even though the leaders of Israel are Jewish, Jews are not in charge of Israel. Zoidberg (and maybe you?) are willingly committing a simplistic category error in order to smear critics of Israel in an attempted ad-hominem deflection. I can make you a Venn diagram if you still don't understand these things.

I don't know anything about this alleged Vueling anecdote. Is your media bias is showing?

Repeated accusations of genocide don't magically make it appear.

And I wouldn't really call it media bias. Antisemitic attacks are routine, not newsworthy. This is only notable from the fact that the cops forced everyone to prove they didn't have a recording of it. I brought it up because of the use of "Israeli" as equivalent to "Jewish". The vast majority of criticisms directed at "Israel" are really antisemitism.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

All I noted was you conceded there is suffering in Gaza. That'd be reflecting on your statement.

What statement?
If anyone is unsure about or unaware of the suffering in Gaza, I can't imagine who.

The big disagreement is about why it's happening

Everyone knows why it is happening. It is Israel's response to the October 7th slaughter of Israeli civilians.

what to do about it. How to improve the future.

That is where the disagreement is.

As long as so many people keep blaming Israel for defending themselves and handwaving the brutality of the violent Muslim supremacists things are not going to improve.

This stopped being about defending Israel for a while.

• Defending Israel
  • Coordinated attack on Hezbollah
  • Direct attacks on Hamas and tunnels
  • Whacking any Hamas leaders
  • Strategic attacks on Iranian nuclear weapons program
• Not defending Israel
  • Trying to displace the Gazans into Egypt
  • Siege Tactics

 

[NoHolyCows]

Even if the UN stocks are physically inside Gaza, they arrived there only because Israel opened the crossings, vetted the convoys, and granted security clearances. When aid sits idle behind closed gates—or under military “coordination”—the state with control over borders and checkpoints bears responsibility for any holdup, not the NGOs grumbling about pay rates.

And once again we are back to throwing out irrelevancies. And repeating things I have already repeatedly shown false.

Control of Gaza’s humanitarian lifeline isn’t an “irrelevancy” — it’s the very mechanism of the siege. Every UN convoy still operates under Israeli‐issued permits, convoy schedules, and military escorts. You haven’t presented a single UN operations bulletin, convoy manifest, or ICRC statement saying those gates now open without Israeli approval. Simply insisting “they’re already inside” doesn’t negate the documented, day-to-day coordination requirements that Israel imposes. If you truly have evidence that aid trucks now move free of IDF checkpoints, show the crossing logs or the UN’s own clearance memos. Until then, denying Israel’s border control isn’t debunking the fact — it’s willful evasion of the single most critical fact in this crisis.

NHC

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Your support for Hamas is despicable.

Good luck trying to twist reality into it being something else. I hope you one day find a way to live with your shame

Your false accusations that anyone here supports Hamas are despicable. You are despicable.

Let's clarify something: we are using different meanings of the word "support".

Does anyone on here think Hamas are the good guys? No.

Does anyone on here intend to aid Hamas? No.

But we are looking deeper.

Are people on here supporting positions that Hamas wants supported? Yes.

Hamas doesn't care if you hate them, Hamas cares if you do what they want you to do.

And look at how they have diverted attention from the hostages. All day every day it's about parading supposed suffering before the camera. The hostages get widely ignored.

What if it were your daughters being raped and tortured, would you care then, or would you sacrifice them for the mythical starving children of Gaza?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Repeated accusations of genocide don't magically make it appear.

And I wouldn't really call it media bias. Antisemitic attacks are routine, not newsworthy. This is only notable from the fact that the cops forced everyone to prove they didn't have a recording of it. I brought it up because of the use of "Israeli" as equivalent to "Jewish". The vast majority of criticisms directed at "Israel" are really antisemitism.

Especially the ones coming from Israelis.

FFS Loren, almost all the posters at this board aren't anti-Semites. We actually have at least one, a couple others were banned. It is so grating to hear you repeat this false charge over and over. Questioning the policy and military decisions of Netanyahu are not "anti-Semitism". The use of the word genocide and anti-Semitism in this thread is embarrassing.

 

[pood]

All I noted was you conceded there is suffering in Gaza. That'd be reflecting on your statement.

What statement?
If anyone is unsure about or unaware of the suffering in Gaza, I can't imagine who.

The big disagreement is about why it's happening and what to do about it. How to improve the future.

As long as so many people keep blaming Israel for defending themselves and handwaving the brutality of the violent Muslim supremacists things are not going to improve.
Tom

And so long as people keep blaming Nazi Germany for defending themselves and handwaving the perfidy of the sinister Jews things are not going to improve.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

While you minimize the persecution of Gazans.

To minimize something it must exist. We don't see persecution, we see Hamas causing the suffering so you'll baa.

So there is suffering in Gaza.

Nobody has said there isn't suffering in Gaza. The question is why there is suffering in Gaza.

And at that point you switch from your brain to your faith and "conclude" (no thinking involved) that it's because of Israel.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Your support for Hamas is despicable.

Good luck trying to twist reality into it being something else. I hope you one day find a way to live with your shame

Your false accusations that anyone here supports Hamas are despicable. You are despicable.

Let's clarify something: we are using different meanings of the word "support".

Does anyone on here think Hamas are the good guys? No.

Does anyone on here intend to aid Hamas? No.

But we are looking deeper.

Are people on here supporting positions that Hamas wants supported? Yes.

Hamas doesn't care if you hate them, Hamas cares if you do what they want you to do.

And look at how they have diverted attention from the hostages. All day every day it's about parading supposed suffering before the camera. The hostages get widely ignored.

As a reminder, they are still hostages despite Netanyahu's efforts at punishing Gaza en masse. These actions you have supported have failed to see to the release of the hostages.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

While you minimize the persecution of Gazans.

To minimize something it must exist. We don't see persecution, we see Hamas causing the suffering so you'll baa.

So there is suffering in Gaza.

Nobody has said there isn't suffering in Gaza. The question is why there is suffering in Gaza.

No, that isn't the question.

And at that point you switch from your brain to your faith and "conclude" (no thinking involved) that it's because of Israel.

Man, you are starting to sound like barbos. I've already stated there is no place on Earth for Hamas after 10/7 (or 7/10 to appease bilby). But you need to keep making any criticism of the response 18 months after the attack about anti-Semitism. I want the hostages freed, Hamas gone, Hamas' leadership axed by Mossad. But you need to falsely label me as an anti-Semite because... I have no fucking clue why you need to say I'm anti-Semitic. That I don't defend military tactics that are punishing many people... and not achieving the goal of hostage release seems a pretty damn weak reason to call someone an anti-Semite.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

To minimize something it must exist. We don't see persecution, we see Hamas causing the suffering so you'll baa.

Yeah, Hamas did this.:

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I see no persecution in those photos. Look at what they are actually showing--two tunnels got bombed. Just because you can't see the tunnels doesn't mean they aren't there.

And you baa.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So you're a committed wife beater then?

I’ve often wondered if those that employ such a despicable slander are simply projecting.

I produced a rationale for my observation. Flinging unsupported allegations is a form of evasion. If you have a rational supported by the content of my posts, you should provide it to avoid looking like an asshat.

Quit playing stupid, you know what "wife beater" means in this context and it has nothing to do with domestic violence.

Of course it has something to do with domestic violence - hence the accusation of wife beater.

It is used because it is an passive aggressive awful insult that gets people's attention. Of course, one can make the point about assuming the outcome without such an accusation.

Yet here you are, whiteknighting the use from an avowed bigot and supporter of the ethnic cleansing of the Gazans. Hmmm.

And now you double down on playing stupid.

You perfectly well know it has nothing to do with domestic violence, nor is it an insult in this usage. It's a reference to the trick question of "have you stopped beating your wife?"--the standard example of asking a question based on an unsupported claim.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No, I don’t. Its horrible. The suffering of Gazans is a tragedy.

But easing up on the pressure will give room to Hamas to survive. Better to get rid of them once and for all.

Allowing Hamas to survive is the worse tragedy. This is better. For both the Palestinians and Israelis. Long term.

So, you are for ethnic cleansing.

Hamas is not an ethnicity.

Quit playing stupid.

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous.

 Ethnic_cleansing

Hamas is not ethnically, racially or religiously distinct from the population of Gaza.

The distinction between Hamas and Gazan is the former is a combatant.