Are people already regretting their choice?

[bilby]

Nevermind is actually two words

Indeed. 'Ned' and 'vermin'.

 

[blastula]

A Trump voter finding out, and admitting it.

His own account is here.

 

[laughing dog]

A Trump voter finding out, and admitting it.

His own account is here.

Now he has empathy since he has been personally affected. We can only hope he expands it scope and duration.

 

[ZiprHead]

Just heard this morning on the news that Latinos are breaking away from the Republicans in droves.

Wish I had taken down the source to post it here.

 

[southernhybrid]

Just heard this morning on the news that Latinos are breaking away from the Republicans in droves.

Wish I had taken down the source to post it here.

I've read that as well, several days ago, although I don't remember where I read it. I'm sure it's true. It was primarily young men who were sucked in by that fake machismo thing, not realizing that macho man is really a 5 year old brat. Now they are waking up. Hopefully, they will vote in the midterms, especially in Texas. Texas Dems need to get out the vote if they want to change the state back. It was blue when I lived there in the 70s, so it's about time. Urban areas in Texas are huge, so it can happen if people voted.

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't think that crap should have been allowed in the first place. What do you think the N stands for in SNAP?

Yeah, poor people deserve no dignity. It's bad enough they have to take crap from cretins in the check out lines when they see the benefits card come out.

 

[thebeave]

I don't think that crap should have been allowed in the first place. What do you think the N stands for in SNAP?

Yeah, poor people deserve no dignity. It's bad enough they have to take crap from cretins in the check out lines when they see the benefits card come out.

SNAP is intended as a supplement (that's what the S stands for in SNAP) to your grocery expenses. SNAP alone is generally not considered sufficient to meet all your grocery needs, and it is expected that you will need to contribute your own money as well. If you want to buy soda and candy, you can pay for that with your own personal cash. The government will help you buy the nutritious meat, fruit and vegetables using the SNAP card. Nobody is denying you the right to buy soda and candy, if that's what you want.

And how often do "cretins" say anything in grocery checkout lines? I've been food shopping for 50+ years and I don't recall a single time anything was ever said. Especially, now since its all paid on an EBT card, and not with stamps or coupons. This is what an EBT card looks like in my state. Looks to me like any old credit/debit card. You just tap it on the card reader (face down) for one second and you're done:




Who the hell is even monitoring or caring what anyone is paying with? Whoever that Karen is, can kindly fuck off, if it ever happens.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I totally support Affirmative Action, but if we're going to take about history, let's not forget that the Native Tribal people were often treated as bad or in some cases worse then Black folks were. And, also let me enlighten anyone doesn't know about how the people that were sometimes referred to as "poor white trash" were treated. And. yes, I've also read, White Rage, a book about the history of racism in the North as black folks fled the South after the end of slavery.

I read the book I will link a couple of years ago and learned a lot about how poor white Brits were sent to the US in an effort to rid England of the lower class whites. I think some of my relatives on my father's side may have been victims of this. The book even mentioned that some Black folks during those times said that some of these poor white folks were treated worse than they were, as most were basically indentured servants, slaves by another name. Imo, I think it may be classism that is perhaps the biggest problem, not just racism.

Agreed. It's about class, about having somebody to look down on and oppress. Same as the caste system in India. Same as Islam treating everyone else as second class citizens. Race provides a convenient identifier and excuse, but I do not think it was ever the true issue.

 

[southernhybrid]

My ex and I received what was known as food stamps after he had been drafted during the Viet Nam War. Back then, you had to pay for your food stamps. We paid about 45 dollars for about 85 dollars worth of food stamps each month. I would never thought of using them to buy soda or junk food, as I was trying to feed my family, including my infant son with that entitlement. It didn't bother me in the least what other people thought about me using food stamps, and it's true that today's SNAP benefit looks like a credit card and I've never heard anyone complain about a poor person getting that benefit, at least not in Georgia. Most people who get SNAP either work or are disabled or old. They are all living in poverty. It's only ignorant assholes that would criticize a poor person for needing help like SNAP.

I had a coworker who told me she was embarrassed to get SNAP benefits and I told her if her cheap ass employer had paid her more than the minimum wage, she wouldn't need that benefit and there was nothing for her to be ashamed about. That seemed to help her feel better. I didn't care how she used her benefit, but I do agree that soda and candy aren't nutritious food, so if they are exempted from the program, it shouldn't be criticized, especially when there are far more important things to criticize. Soda is just sugar water for that matter. I'm not a conservative, but I see no problem in helping children eat healthier and educating their moms what foods to buy for them. That should be something we should all support if we want the future's children to eat healthier foods and have fewer health problems.

Soft drinks are one of the causes of obesity. I know this because some of the women I worked with asked me how to lose weight and the first thing I asked them was how much soda did they drink. Some drank over 2 liters a day. I would always tell them to start by giving up their sodas. Not sure if any of them did, but it would have helped if they could do it.

WIC which is a program that helps poor pregnant. nursing women and children eat healthier, only allows a limited amount of healthy foods to be used with that benefit. I think we go to an extreme when we say that people will be deprived, if using a food benefit doesn't permit using it for empty calorie junk food. Hopefully, they can still use SNAP for certain processed foods that are often less expensive and have some nutritional value, and added vitamins, but drawing the limit on things like Coke and Pepsi, shouldn't be a problem imo. Sometimes we liberals need to realize that we don't have to disagree with every single thing supported by a consecrative, even if we think their motives are wrong, because even a broken clock is right twice a day.

There should just be a list of what can be used with the SNAP benefit provided to each recipient so that nobody is embarrassed at the checkout in the grocery line. Considering most people use the automatic check out these days, hopefully that will provide more privacy. I do think that the SNAP benefit should offer more money than it currently does. The amount is usually so small that it doesn't do much to help a family eat well for the entire month. Nutrition classes should also be offered, if they aren't already. Extend the benefit but set a few limits on what can be bought so the food has at least some healthy nutritional value. It wouldn't surprise me if the junk food market has been pushing for SNAP to cover their products. That helps corporations, not poor people.

 

[southernhybrid]

I totally support Affirmative Action, but if we're going to take about history, let's not forget that the Native Tribal people were often treated as bad or in some cases worse then Black folks were. And, also let me enlighten anyone doesn't know about how the people that were sometimes referred to as "poor white trash" were treated. And. yes, I've also read, White Rage, a book about the history of racism in the North as black folks fled the South after the end of slavery.

I read the book I will link a couple of years ago and learned a lot about how poor white Brits were sent to the US in an effort to rid England of the lower class whites. I think some of my relatives on my father's side may have been victims of this. The book even mentioned that some Black folks during those times said that some of these poor white folks were treated worse than they were, as most were basically indentured servants, slaves by another name. Imo, I think it may be classism that is perhaps the biggest problem, not just racism.

Agreed. It's about class, about having somebody to look down on and oppress. Same as the caste system in India. Same as Islam treating everyone else as second class citizens. Race provides a convenient identifier and excuse, but I do not think it was ever the true issue.

I think it's about race and class, but we often fail to understand the class part. It's far more likely the police will stop and harass a car full of poor young black men compared to poor young white men. I've witnessed this personally and spoken to the mother of the young black man who was driving the car. I'll spare you the details for now, but it was totally unjustified and a blatant case of racism. I'm not saying that poor young white men are never harassed by the police. I just don't think it's as common as it is with poor young black men.

 

[laughing dog]

I don't think that crap should have been allowed in the first place. What do you think the N stands for in SNAP?

Yeah, poor people deserve no dignity. It's bad enough they have to take crap from cretins in the check out lines when they see the benefits card come out.

SNAP is intended as a supplement (that's what the S stands for in SNAP) to your grocery expenses. SNAP alone is generally not considered sufficient to meet all your grocery needs, and it is expected that you will need to contribute your own money as well. If you want to buy soda and candy, you can pay for that with your own personal cash. The government will help you buy the nutritious meat, fruit and vegetables using the SNAP card. Nobody is denying you the right to buy soda and candy, if that's what you want.

And how often do "cretins" say anything in grocery checkout lines? I've been food shopping for 50+ years and I don't recall a single time anything was ever said. Especially, now since its all paid on an EBT card, and not with stamps or coupons. This is what an EBT card looks like in my state. Looks to me like any old credit/debit card. You just tap it on the card reader (face down) for one second and you're done:


View attachment 51666

Who the hell is even monitoring or caring what anyone is paying with? Whoever that Karen is, can kindly fuck off, if it ever happens.

Easy to say went it isn’t you using the card. I’ve seen it happen a number of times because there are plenty of judgmental types.

As to the “supplemental” part, do you think SNAP participants should make two separate trips - one private cash and one SNAP approved purchases? If not, then at the checkout, the items need to be separated which identifies the purchaser ad a SNAP user

 

[thebeave]

I don't think that crap should have been allowed in the first place. What do you think the N stands for in SNAP?

Yeah, poor people deserve no dignity. It's bad enough they have to take crap from cretins in the check out lines when they see the benefits card come out.

SNAP is intended as a supplement (that's what the S stands for in SNAP) to your grocery expenses. SNAP alone is generally not considered sufficient to meet all your grocery needs, and it is expected that you will need to contribute your own money as well. If you want to buy soda and candy, you can pay for that with your own personal cash. The government will help you buy the nutritious meat, fruit and vegetables using the SNAP card. Nobody is denying you the right to buy soda and candy, if that's what you want.

And how often do "cretins" say anything in grocery checkout lines? I've been food shopping for 50+ years and I don't recall a single time anything was ever said. Especially, now since its all paid on an EBT card, and not with stamps or coupons. This is what an EBT card looks like in my state. Looks to me like any old credit/debit card. You just tap it on the card reader (face down) for one second and you're done:


View attachment 51666

Who the hell is even monitoring or caring what anyone is paying with? Whoever that Karen is, can kindly fuck off, if it ever happens.

Easy to say went it isn’t you using the card. I’ve seen it happen a number of times because there are plenty of judgmental types.

As to the “supplemental” part, do you think SNAP participants should make two separate trips - one private cash and one SNAP approved purchases? If not, then at the checkout, the items need to be separated which identifies the purchaser ad a SNAP user

What specifically have you heard people saying to an EBT card user?

As far as making one trip or two to buy groceries, that's up to the user of the card. Whtever they're most comfortable with. Almost everyone (including me) in a checkout line, rich or poor, at one time or another feels people are negatively judging them about something, whether its how they pay or what they are buying (or both). Especially if you're buying lots of junk food, alcohol, frozen dinners or Preparation H.

 

[Politesse]

I don't think that crap should have been allowed in the first place. What do you think the N stands for in SNAP?

Yeah, poor people deserve no dignity. It's bad enough they have to take crap from cretins in the check out lines when they see the benefits card come out.

SNAP is intended as a supplement (that's what the S stands for in SNAP) to your grocery expenses. SNAP alone is generally not considered sufficient to meet all your grocery needs, and it is expected that you will need to contribute your own money as well. If you want to buy soda and candy, you can pay for that with your own personal cash. The government will help you buy the nutritious meat, fruit and vegetables using the SNAP card. Nobody is denying you the right to buy soda and candy, if that's what you want.

And how often do "cretins" say anything in grocery checkout lines? I've been food shopping for 50+ years and I don't recall a single time anything was ever said. Especially, now since its all paid on an EBT card, and not with stamps or coupons. This is what an EBT card looks like in my state. Looks to me like any old credit/debit card. You just tap it on the card reader (face down) for one second and you're done:


View attachment 51666

Who the hell is even monitoring or caring what anyone is paying with? Whoever that Karen is, can kindly fuck off, if it ever happens.

Easy to say went it isn’t you using the card. I’ve seen it happen a number of times because there are plenty of judgmental types.

As to the “supplemental” part, do you think SNAP participants should make two separate trips - one private cash and one SNAP approved purchases? If not, then at the checkout, the items need to be separated which identifies the purchaser ad a SNAP user

What specifically have you heard people saying to an EBT card user?

As far as making one trip or two to buy groceries, that's up to the user of the card. Whtever they're most comfortable with. Almost everyone (including me) in a checkout line, rich or poor, at one time or another feels people are negatively judging them about something, whether its how they pay or what they are buying (or both). Especially if you're buying lots of junk food, alcohol, frozen dinners or Preparation H.

It's fascinating how much you seem to think you know about a world you've clearly never lived in.

 

[Toni]

Gospel is absolutely right though. A lot of the anti-AA is about how unfair it is to Asians (until our colleges consist of nothing but Asians). Give some kid who managed impressive outcomes from nothing in the inner-city (but not as good as those from middle-upper class homes/neighborhoods) and you cry foul. You ignore potential, adversity, and intensity while being over fixated on race and standardized test scores.

The problem here is the idea that it helps those in the inner city is deception. The problem is it's treated as if it's a normal distribution, but it's not. AA makes it easy for those who would already have made it, doesn't help those it's supposed to help, but it makes the mean and median look right--pay no attention to the fact it's a bimodal distribution.

Cut the crap and admit the only consistent reason you're against affirmative action is because it benefits the negro.

I wouldn't say Loren is of that mindset. They see the world in a much more reduced fashion and want equal opportunity for everyone, period, as far as he can observe it. Everything that happened before isn't relevant to how they think the world should be. Wipe the slate clean. I feel his take is a bit naïve and ignores self-perpetuating issues caused by policy choices made all through out the 20th century. But I don't think Loren is against anything because of race.

I definitely see Loren in that mindset. Sure, he couches it in terms of upbringing and family values but he simultaneously refuses to acknowledge the many many obstacles built into society that keep some groups down and elevate other groups. Typically, Black people and Native American are seen as less capable, more inclined towards criminality, less intelligence. My own personal opinion is that those attitudes stem out of how horribly people of European descent treated those two groups in the past, enslaving one group and attempting to exterminate the other or at least those they could not enslave or otherwise convert to Christianity, the better to make into useful ‘servants’ after stealing all their land. So much easier to justify such history if those groups are ‘less than.’

Perversely, some other out groups are elevated as superior or at least more intelligent, more hard working, more deserving as somehow proof that we are not racist. Interest in fly enough, these are groups that we did not actually enslave or steal from, although one could argue we treated Chinese imported to work in mines and in railroads as slaves, but they mostly came willingly and were largely returned to their home country and not quite treated as livestock.

 

[Toni]

What was this thread about again?

People finally coming to grips that they voted against their own self-interest... a thing white conservatives have been doing for decades. For so long, they have become angry about how bad things are now, after all those conservative policies were put into the system.

Yes. The ignorant, aka poorly educated have been easy to manipulate for a very long time. Is there a way to help them out of this darkness? I'm not sure.

Sadly, it is not only the poorly educated who voted for Trump.

 

[Toni]

My ex and I received what was known as food stamps after he had been drafted during the Viet Nam War. Back then, you had to pay for your food stamps. We paid about 45 dollars for about 85 dollars worth of food stamps each month. I would never thought of using them to buy soda or junk food, as I was trying to feed my family, including my infant son with that entitlement. It didn't bother me in the least what other people thought about me using food stamps, and it's true that today's SNAP benefit looks like a credit card and I've never heard anyone complain about a poor person getting that benefit, at least not in Georgia. Most people who get SNAP either work or are disabled or old. They are all living in poverty. It's only ignorant assholes that would criticize a poor person for needing help like SNAP.

I had a coworker who told me she was embarrassed to get SNAP benefits and I told her if her cheap ass employer had paid her more than the minimum wage, she wouldn't need that benefit and there was nothing for her to be ashamed about. That seemed to help her feel better. I didn't care how she used her benefit, but I do agree that soda and candy aren't nutritious food, so if they are exempted from the program, it shouldn't be criticized, especially when there are far more important things to criticize. Soda is just sugar water for that matter. I'm not a conservative, but I see no problem in helping children eat healthier and educating their moms what foods to buy for them. That should be something we should all support if we want the future's children to eat healthier foods and have fewer health problems.

Soft drinks are one of the causes of obesity. I know this because some of the women I worked with asked me how to lose weight and the first thing I asked them was how much soda did they drink. Some drank over 2 liters a day. I would always tell them to start by giving up their sodas. Not sure if any of them did, but it would have helped if they could do it.

WIC which is a program that helps poor pregnant. nursing women and children eat healthier, only allows a limited amount of healthy foods to be used with that benefit. I think we go to an extreme when we say that people will be deprived, if using a food benefit doesn't permit using it for empty calorie junk food. Hopefully, they can still use SNAP for certain processed foods that are often less expensive and have some nutritional value, and added vitamins, but drawing the limit on things like Coke and Pepsi, shouldn't be a problem imo. Sometimes we liberals need to realize that we don't have to disagree with every single thing supported by a consecrative, even if we think their motives are wrong, because even a broken clock is right twice a day.

There should just be a list of what can be used with the SNAP benefit provided to each recipient so that nobody is embarrassed at the checkout in the grocery line. Considering most people use the automatic check out these days, hopefully that will provide more privacy. I do think that the SNAP benefit should offer more money than it currently does. The amount is usually so small that it doesn't do much to help a family eat well for the entire month. Nutrition classes should also be offered, if they aren't already. Extend the benefit but set a few limits on what can be bought so the food has at least some healthy nutritional value. It wouldn't surprise me if the junk food market has been pushing for SNAP to cover their products. That helps corporations, not poor people.

A good friend used to work for WIC and mothers who apply/receive benefits also receive counseling about nutrition—or used to do. Her comment as that some were very receptive and some were not.

It is difficult to move past patterns one grows up with, particularly food. It is not only genetics that contribute to vulnerability to substance abuse or consuming highly caloric/nutritionally poor foods. Growing up, I disliked most of my mother’s cooking but fur years after I was an adult, the second I crossed over the threshold to her house, I was hungry. Just a conditioned response.

We also cannot ignore the fact that food deserts exist, particularly in economically disadvantaged areas. And that shelf stable foods tend to be less nutritious and are often filled with calories and additives.

 

[WAB]

What was this thread about again?

People finally coming to grips that they voted against their own self-interest... a thing white conservatives have been doing for decades. For so long, they have become angry about how bad things are now, after all those conservative policies were put into the system.

Yes. The ignorant, aka poorly educated have been easy to manipulate for a very long time. Is there a way to help them out of this darkness? I'm not sure.

Sadly, it is not only the poorly educated who voted for Trump.

This needs to be printed in bold at the top of every thread. Most MAGAs I know are home owners and quite well off. Trump stickers and banners festoon their gigantic gas guzzling Ford 250s and the giant boats they haul along behind them.

I'm not denying that a lot of Trumpies are in the lower income brackets. Just please, let's stop blaming the whole mess on those poor ignorant dummies stumbling around in their pathetic world of uneducated, uninformed darkness.

 

[southernhybrid]

I don't think that crap should have been allowed in the first place. What do you think the N stands for in SNAP?

Yeah, poor people deserve no dignity. It's bad enough they have to take crap from cretins in the check out lines when they see the benefits card come out.

SNAP is intended as a supplement (that's what the S stands for in SNAP) to your grocery expenses. SNAP alone is generally not considered sufficient to meet all your grocery needs, and it is expected that you will need to contribute your own money as well. If you want to buy soda and candy, you can pay for that with your own personal cash. The government will help you buy the nutritious meat, fruit and vegetables using the SNAP card. Nobody is denying you the right to buy soda and candy, if that's what you want.

And how often do "cretins" say anything in grocery checkout lines? I've been food shopping for 50+ years and I don't recall a single time anything was ever said. Especially, now since its all paid on an EBT card, and not with stamps or coupons. This is what an EBT card looks like in my state. Looks to me like any old credit/debit card. You just tap it on the card reader (face down) for one second and you're done:


View attachment 51666

Who the hell is even monitoring or caring what anyone is paying with? Whoever that Karen is, can kindly fuck off, if it ever happens.

Easy to say went it isn’t you using the card. I’ve seen it happen a number of times because there are plenty of judgmental types.

As to the “supplemental” part, do you think SNAP participants should make two separate trips - one private cash and one SNAP approved purchases? If not, then at the checkout, the items need to be separated which identifies the purchaser ad a SNAP user

I've seen people use their SNAP card and then pay cash for the rest of their order, when their SNAP card has run out of money. it's not that unusual. Of course there will always be judgmental assholes, but the poor people I know personally are usually emotionally strong enough not to be bothered by them. There is a high rate of poverty in the town where I live in Georgia, so it's very common to see people use their "Peach Card" to buy groceries. I rarely notice it and when I do, I'm glad to see them getting some help. To me, the saddest part is when someone has to put some groceries back because their SNAP card has run out of funds and they don't have the cash to pay for the rest of their groceries. I've also seen a person who tried to use a debit card that has run out of money. I think that is potentially far more embarrassing than not being able to buy Coke with one's SNAP card.

Poor people are not as overly sensitive as some of you seem to think. If they were, there wouldn't be so many on the street corners here in Indy begging for money. Some even have signs asking for help to pay their rent, so they are not all homeless. That is sad, much more so, then denying someone to use their SNAP card to buy sugar water, imo.

 

[southernhybrid]

What was this thread about again?

People finally coming to grips that they voted against their own self-interest... a thing white conservatives have been doing for decades. For so long, they have become angry about how bad things are now, after all those conservative policies were put into the system.

Yes. The ignorant, aka poorly educated have been easy to manipulate for a very long time. Is there a way to help them out of this darkness? I'm not sure.

Sadly, it is not only the poorly educated who voted for Trump.

This needs to be printed in bold at the top of every thread. Most MAGAs I know are home owners and quite well off. Trump stickers and banners festoon their gigantic gas guzzling Ford 250s and the giant boats they haul along behind them.

I'm not denying that a lot of Trumpies are in the lower income brackets. Just please, let's stop blaming the whole mess on those poor ignorant dummies stumbling around in their pathetic world of uneducated, uninformed darkness.

They may not all be poorly educated, but they are ignorant. My brother in law is the perfect example of that. He has a doctorate degree and he's wealthy. All he has ever cared about is money. He's still defending Trump's tariffs etc. He may be educated, but he's ignorant, as are my neighbors who voted for Trump. They believed all the bullshit. Some are evangelicals who felt they were being discriminated against. if that isn't ignorant, what is?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't think that crap should have been allowed in the first place. What do you think the N stands for in SNAP?

Pornography problem. What exactly constitutes crap?