How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Toni]

I stopped watching most news years ago because it was clear to me that I was watching a performance,

I guess you form your opinion on your own historical research and observations.
Cool, So when was the last time you worked with documents in archives and interviewed russians, ukrainians and CIA?

It has been a while since I've been to archives, this is true. I read major news organizations which publish in English. You are probably more interested in Russia and the CIA than I am.

 

[ZiprHead]

New POP (President Of Poland) calls Regime in Kiev degenerate and murderous, well, by implication, but he does.

JFC. That's not what he said.

And you wonder why people have lost any trust in you.

 

[barbos]

JFC. That's not what he said.

And what did he say then?

 

[barbos]

I read major news organizations which publish in English

Like what? Don't be shy, tell us.

 

[ZiprHead]

JFC. That's not what he said.

And what did he say then?

You posted it. You don't know???

 

[barbos]

JFC. That's not what he said.

And what did he say then?

You posted it. You don't know???

I know and I stand by my post.
He called Kiev regime degenerate (by extension)

 

[crazyfingers]

Rubio denies the obvious.

Rubio dismisses suggestion that Europeans are coming to Oval Office to keep Zelensky from getting "bullied"​

It seems pretty obvious to me that a large part of the reason why the European leaders are attending is to try to prevent Trump from behaving like a bully.

After what Trump did before, lying and bullying, I can't see how anyone could not anticipate that Trump will behave that way again.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-putin-zelensky-ukraine-news-08-17-25#cmefsjz2n000c3b6pwec20xj8

 

[bilby]

the truth is, even your talking heads you listen to don't believe the shit you believe.

The truth (of which you are apparently uncaring) is that you can't name a single "talking head I listen to", so you are necessarily full of shit.

For someone who claims to not listen to talking heads you parrot them surprisingly well.

Notably, this response does not include the name of a "talking head I listen to".

I still don't know who I am supposedly parroting. But I can assure you, I have better things to do with my time than listen to any "talking heads". So it was a trick question.

You're parroting CNN.

I never watch, and have never watched, CNN. I don't even know whether I can get it here, though it's probably available on Foxtel. In general I avoid any US news, it's shallow and loud, and just irritates me.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Rubio denies the obvious.

Rubio dismisses suggestion that Europeans are coming to Oval Office to keep Zelensky from getting "bullied"​

It seems pretty obvious to me that a large part of the reason why the European leaders are attending is to try to prevent Trump from behaving like a bully.

After what Trump did before, lying and bullying, I can't see how anyone could not anticipate that Trump will behave that way again.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-putin-zelensky-ukraine-news-08-17-25#cmefsjz2n000c3b6pwec20xj8

Agree. I don't know what will happen on Monday. I think that Ukraine has earned the right to have a say in what land it is willing to swap for a "peace". And everyone please remember, this is swapping Ukranian land for peace. Russia dosn't give up anything. But it also hinges on the security guaranties for Ukraine. If Ukraine pulls out of the areas demanded by Utin, it will leave Ukraine open to future invasion:

MSN

 

[crazyfingers]

A good news analysis on NYT.

Good summary of events and why the European leaders are coming and all the ways that Trump is fucking up and giving Putin what he wants.

Zelensky Brings Backup to the White House as Trump Aligns More Closely With Putin

European leaders are joining a trip to Washington to make sure the trans-Atlantic alliance remains intact.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Elixir]

I don't know what will happen on Monday.

I do.
The demented felon will huff and puff, threaten and cajole, complain about people trying to gang up on him, get nothing done and declare that he was able to bend Europe in its entirety to his will.
But … TACO
The senile jackass changed his tune as soon as the pooter whispered sweet nothings in his ear. Maybe some European leader will sweet talk him. That would produce a different result.

 

[barbos]

the truth is, even your talking heads you listen to don't believe the shit you believe.

The truth (of which you are apparently uncaring) is that you can't name a single "talking head I listen to", so you are necessarily full of shit.

For someone who claims to not listen to talking heads you parrot them surprisingly well.

Notably, this response does not include the name of a "talking head I listen to".

I still don't know who I am supposedly parroting. But I can assure you, I have better things to do with my time than listen to any "talking heads". So it was a trick question.

You're parroting CNN.

I never watch, and have never watched, CNN. I don't even know whether I can get it here, though it's probably available on Foxtel. In general I avoid any US news, it's shallow and loud, and just irritates me.

Does not matter, CNN, FoxNews AustralianCrapNews, they are all the same and parrot each other and you parrot them.
Alternative viewpoint is not allowed to be in the mainstream.
I left a tab with youtube video of some british guy who relocated to Moscow for a couple of days and video is gone now.
Panchenko with 2.1mil subscribers - gone.
RT was present in the West - gone under completely ridiculous and false pretenses.

Western idiots do not have accesss to real facts and information. All large and influential media is controlled by the same people who wants Russia, China, Iran, and now Brasil and India and really anything they don't control dead.

 

[robnisch]

MSN

You better wear a suit....or else!!

 

[bilby]

Does not matter, CNN, FoxNews AustralianCrapNews, they are all the same and parrot each other and you parrot them.

I really don't. I almost never watch TV, and when I do, it's not news that I watch.

You are simply wrong.

 

[barbos]

Does not matter, CNN, FoxNews AustralianCrapNews, they are all the same and parrot each other and you parrot them.

I really don't. I almost never watch TV, and when I do, it's not news that I watch.

And yet you parrot them perfectly, go figure.

You are simply wrong.

Nope, you are.

 

[bilby]

Does not matter, CNN, FoxNews AustralianCrapNews, they are all the same and parrot each other and you parrot them.

I really don't. I almost never watch TV, and when I do, it's not news that I watch.

And yet you parrot them perfectly, go figure.

Well, that's impossible.

You are simply wrong.

Nope, you are.

No, it's deffo you. As usual.

 

[barbos]

Well, that's impossible.

Yes, that is impossible, hence we know you are not independent researcher and is in fact dumb western consumer of the shit western media provides.

 

[barbos]

No, it's deffo you. As usual.

Nope. it's always you.

 

[barbos]

MSN

You better wear a suit....or else!!

Yeah, Elensky has a hardest decision of his career to make.

 

[barbos]

Missed that. Ignorance of so-called "civilized" world is mind boggling.

Victims of Communism memorial faces call to remove over 330 names linked to Nazis, fascists

A Canadian Heritage report obtained by the Ottawa Citizen recommends removing more than 330 names from the memorial.

ottawacitizen.com

The Department of Canadian Heritage is being told that more than half of the 550 names on the Memorial to the Victims of Communism should be removed because of potential links to the Nazis or questions about affiliations with fascist groups, according to government records.

no comments from the usual suspects, even when it's text instead of video.

Still no comments.