Gerrymandering... it just is now.

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Go AHNOLD!

Isn't he the guy that was able to take advantage of a corporate coup (fake energy crisis) against a Governor and get himself elected Governor?

Even if he did, he is a different man now. Unlike most Republicans he is in tune with normal morality.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

He was never a MAGA type of guy, and was a moderate Republican, but the truth is a fake energy crisis was used to remove the Democrat Governor, and he filled in the role. Also, I don't recall his take on the gerrymandering when Texas and DeLay were fucking the maps back in the early W days.

 

[ZiprHead]

DemocraTIC governor.

 

[Swammerdami]

Go AHNOLD!

Isn't he the guy that was able to take advantage of a corporate coup (fake energy crisis) against a Governor and get himself elected Governor?

It was even more non-sensical than that.

Under the rules of the  2003 California gubernatorial recall election, Gray Davis needed 50% of the vote, but only got 44.6%. Schwarzenegger got 48.6% (32% would have been enough to win) but those votes included MANY of the 44.6% who supported Gray Davis! -- they were allowed to cast a 2nd vote for their 2nd choice, as long as it wasn't Gray Davis.

Proponents of "direct democracy" are largely unaware of the idiocies California has suffered due to its (initiative, referendum, recall) trifecta to fight the virtues of representative democracy.

 

[robnisch]

Trump vows to end mail-in ballots with executive order

Trump has long criticized mail-in ballots, calling them fraudulent.

www.yahoo.com

A bit off topic but.
tRump wants to end mail-in ballots!
All this will do is cause a lot of court cases from blue states.
Repugs hate anything that makes voting easier.

 

[ZiprHead]

Texas Democrats return to fight state redistricting from the House Floor and the courts

Texas Democrats who left the state to block a redistricting vote have returned to Austin, ending a two-week quorum break and allowing the Republican-controlled House to move forward with its legislative priorities.

www.fox4news.com

On Monday, multiple bills on disaster preparedness advanced out of committee in a 9-0 vote, setting up a floor vote in the house on Wednesday.

Redistricting could also move to a full vote this week, if there is a quorum.

Before leaving the chamber on Monday, Democrats had to sign a form promising to return on Wednesday. They also each got a DPS officer to monitor them.

"I have a personal trooper. He doesn't want to be on camera, but he is standing right next to me," said State Rep. Rose.

Texas Democrat refuses to sign form promising to return​

Dig deeper:

State Rep. Nicole Collier of Fort Worth was detained on the floor of the Texas House of Representatives after taking a stand against the unprecedented Republican tactics. The seven-term Democratic lawmaker and former chair of the Texas Legislative Black Caucus refused to sign the form that would assign her a taxpayer-funded law enforcement escort.

In a statement by the Texas House Democratic Caucus:

"My constituents sent me to Austin to protect their voices and rights," said Rep. Nicole Collier.

"I refuse to sign away my dignity as a duly elected representative just so Republicans can control my movements and monitor me with police escorts. My community is majority-minority, and they expect me to stand up for their representation. When I press that button to vote, I know these maps will harm my constituents. I won't just go along quietly with their intimidation or their discrimination."

Having a police officer follow them 24/7.

 

[ZiprHead]

Rep Collier was on the phone in a bathroom in the capital building with California governor Newsome when she was interupted and notified she was committing a felony.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

Texas redistricting maps are racially biased, civil rights advocates claim in lawsuit

They accuse Texas legislative leaders of engaging in gerrymandering to prevent Black voters from electing candidates of their choice.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That isn't enough. They have to prove the maps were intended to intentionally restrict voting rights for minorities, and Trump is on record saying it is flatly partisan.

 

[Politesse]

That is one significant difference between California and Texas when it comes to crooked redistricting, at least we aren't erasing minority communities.

 

[Tigers!]

That is one significant difference between California and Texas when it comes to crooked redistricting, at least we aren't erasing minority communities.

Does that make it a "better" gerrymandering because it does not target minority communities?
Gerrymandering is not a sliding scale. It is gerrymandering or it is not.
2 wrongs i.e. Calif. vs. Texas do not make it right.

 

[Politesse]

That is one significant difference between California and Texas when it comes to crooked redistricting, at least we aren't erasing minority communities.

Does that make it a "better" gerrymandering because it does not target minority communities?
Gerrymandering is not a sliding scale. It is gerrymandering or it is not.
2 wrongs i.e. Calif. vs. Texas do not make it right.

I have said nothing to the contrary. This is the next phase of the death of our democracy.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That is one significant difference between California and Texas when it comes to crooked redistricting, at least we aren't erasing minority communities.

Does that make it a "better" gerrymandering because it does not target minority communities?

Yes, but not much.

Gerrymandering is not a sliding scale. It is gerrymandering or it is not.
2 wrongs i.e. Calif. vs. Texas do not make it right.

It is unfortunate you have a post reading buffer value equal to one, because otherwise, you'd understand that Politesse has been rather clear on that point.

And as a minor note, the SCOTUS justices that said this shit was okay were the ones appointed by GOP Presidents and generally to nearly exclusively approved by in the Senate by the GOP. The liberal justices have been quite noted in their dissension against this madness.

 

[Elixir]

the SCOTUS justices that said this shit was okay were the ones appointed by GOP Presidents and generally to nearly exclusively approved by in the Senate by the GOP

Yes, the GOP is now anti-democracy, pro-fascism and utterly devoted to The Felon.
In other news, water is wet. Someone please tell Tigers!

 

[Tigers!]

the SCOTUS justices that said this shit was okay were the ones appointed by GOP Presidents and generally to nearly exclusively approved by in the Senate by the GOP

Yes, the GOP is now anti-democracy, pro-fascism and utterly devoted to The Felon.
In other news, water is wet. Someone please tell Tigers!

Despite all that you and others are saying the Democrats, or anyone else for that matter, are not forced to gerrymander. Gerrymandering is a conscious choice. The law of the land does not force you to do it.

Subverting democracy to save democracy is a dangerous path to tread. You may not get back.

 

[Elixir]

Democrats, or anyone else for that matter, are not forced to gerrymander.

Of course the Demonkratz can lay down and support or allow the benevolent fascist takeover, right? At least the trains will run on time, or that’s the promise. Democrats can’t even promise that.