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Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

I think we need better gun laws. Too bad the Dems go-to prescription is about banning certain guns based on how they look.
I don’t think that’s the limiting factor getting better gun laws through Congress.

What gun laws have the Republicans proffered that you think are more sensible?
Exactly. Neither side offers reasonable proposals, both sides offer unreasonable proposals and are rightfully attacked by the other side over them.

That being said, it's pretty hard to devise a law that prevents this sort of thing without basically abolishing guns.
The solution is to make sellers liable for crimes committed with the weapons they recently sold.

I'll sit back and wait for your WAH about how that is unfair to sellers of deadly weapons.
 
Your site says white makes make 31% of the population and commit 51% of the mass shootings.
I said whites were underrepresented. Work on your reading comprehension!
Males are strongly overrepresented regardless of race due to things like testosterone. But people like Toni forever blame white males specifically for all ills in the world.
And this is an issue at all, let alobe relevant to this thread, because…?
It is not relevant. I was merely replying to Toni's statement about various religious groups in MN.
Unlike you, I am not blaming any demographic group. I merely did a quick search for the demographics of Minnesota and reported them here.

The fact is that most violent crime in the US ( and world) is committed by males.
Right wingers will always ignore facts which are inconvenient to them to spin their narrative.
 
Also right wingers had no problem with promoting Alex Jones, school shooting denier who has ruined the lives of families impacted by school shootings, on Joe Rogan. They will still blindly defend Joe Rogan and deny all of the harm he has done as well or that many of his beliefs are harmful. Or that time Jones and Trump had a discussion and Trump praised him.
 
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Your site says white makes make 31% of the population and commit 51% of the mass shootings.
I said whites were underrepresented. Work on your reading comprehension!
Males are strongly overrepresented regardless of race due to things like testosterone. But people like Toni forever blame white males specifically for all ills in the world.
And this is an issue at all, let alobe relevant to this thread, because…?
It is not relevant. I was merely replying to Toni's statement about various religious groups in MN.
Unlike you, I am not blaming any demographic group. I merely did a quick search for the demographics of Minnesota and reported them here.

The fact is that most violent crime in the US ( and world) is committed by males.
Right wingers will always ignore facts which are inconvenient to them to spin their narrative.
JD Vance said:
We really do have, I think, a mental health crisis in the United States of America. We take way more psychiatric medication than any other nation on Earth, and I think it’s time for us to start asking some very hard questions about the root causes of this violence,
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Instead, the GOP is apparently going the conspiracy medication route.
 
Also right wingers had no problem with promoting Alex Jones, school shooting denier who has ruined the lives of families impacted by school shootings, on Joe Rogan. They will still blindly defend Joe Rogan and deny all of the harm he has done as well or that many of his beliefs are harmful. Or that time Jones and Trump had a discussion and Trump praised him.
Also right wingers don't give a single shit about the trauma being caused by ICE agents at schools - they laugh at it instead. In fact they'll laugh at any kind of trauma and claim anyone traumatized by anything is "too soft".
 
Unlike you, I am not blaming any demographic group.
Yes, you were. From post #2,824.
Funny what never comes up is the vast overwhelming number of people who shoot up schools (and churches and concerts and shopping malls) are white and male.
Emphasis added.
The fact is that most violent crime in the US ( and world) is committed by males.
Yes, men are naturally more aggressive, due to things like higher testosterone levels. Btw, that does not mean that we should excuse or dismiss violence committed by women.

Saying that "white men" are biggest problem is a racist falsehood though, as whites are underrepresented when it comes to violent crime in the US, including mass shootings.
 
Work on yours because your site says white Americans commit 53% of mass shootings.
Which is less than white people's percentage of population.
Let me take another source, since this one has typos I did not see when I posted it (I used it because it had a graph you conveniently ignored).

Almost no sources calculate per capita rates. This Reason Magazine article did, based on Mother Jones data.
Reason Magazine said:
Race% of mass shooters% of population
Asian6.6%3.6%
Black17.4%12.3%
Hispanic8.3%12.5%
Native American2.5%1.0%
White Non-Hispanic54.5%62.6%
Other4.1%7.9%
Unspecified/Unclear6.6%
The numbers vary based on years covered and which definition of "mass shooting" is used (many other datasets have >20% for black mass shooters), but I have seen no data that suggests that whites are overrepresented among mass shooters.
In this case, white males are over represented. So she has the facts on her side, thanks to your site’s data.
No, she does not have facts on her side, just bigotry. Males are overrepresented, sure. White males are underrepresented compared to males in general. Black males are overrepresented. But that does not fit the woke leftist narrative.
 
Come on. Premeditated and completely random shootings is almost exclusively white man job.
Bullshit!
Blacks usually have some reasons and target people who are at least somewhat connected to the cause.
What "cause" would that be? Btw, the Minneapolis shooter had a "cause" and "reasons" too, at least in xir's own mind.
 
Unlike you, I am not blaming any demographic group.
Yes, you were. From post #2,824.
Funny what never comes up is the vast overwhelming number of people who shoot up schools (and churches and concerts and shopping malls) are white and male.
Emphasis added.
The fact is that most violent crime in the US ( and world) is committed by males.
Yes, men are naturally more aggressive, due to things like higher testosterone levels. Btw, that does not mean that we should excuse or dismiss violence committed by women.

Saying that "white men" are biggest problem is a racist falsehood though, as whites are underrepresented when it comes to violent crime in the US, including mass shootings.
I did not say that men or white men were the biggest problem. I did point out that most mass shootings of schools, churches, clubs, malls and concerts were committed by white males. That’s just a statement of statistics not an assignment of blame.

If we include the typical mass shooting category used by law enforcement ( 4 or more shooting victims in a single incident) , most are committed by makes.

You can blame it on testosterone if you like but that changes nothing. Testosterone is not an excuse or a valid explanation as only a small percentage of males shoot other people. But even if it were THE single thing responsible for all shootings of more than 3 individuals at a time, I seriously doubt you’d be suggesting that men be put in testosterone blockers at age 12. Nor would I or any other sane human being.

Acknowledging that males commit the majority of the acts of violence is acknowledging a fact. Focusing on my on that fact ignores that women are also capable of violence and even gun violence.

Playing word games does nothing to address the underlying problem: violence and especially —but not exclusively —gun violence is a destructive force in the US. Compared with any other country on earth and you see a glaringly obvious difference between the US and other countries with respect to violence and that is the abundance and easy access to firearms in the US.

People in other countries hunt. They defend against wildlife when necessary. They shoot for sport. Just not other human beings.

What makes us so goddam special? Why have we allowed the NRA to set policy for..,anything? Why have we decided it’s a big ho hum that the NRA has very substantial ties to Russia?
 
The solution is to make sellers liable for crimes committed with the weapons they recently sold.
I'll sit back and wait for your WAH about how that is unfair to sellers of deadly weapons.
It certainly is unjust. Sellers should not be held liable for what somebody else does with their weapon any more than a car dealer should be held liable if the car they sold is used as a getaway car for a robbery or even just to LARP GTA.

The only time gun dealers should be held liable is if they violated some law when making the sale, like bypassing a background check. But if they do everything that is required of them, why should they be held liable?
 
Work on yours because your site says white Americans commit 53% of mass shootings.
Which is less than white people's percentage of population.
Let me take another source, since this one has typos I did not see when I posted it (I used it because it had a graph you conveniently ignored).
I did not.

Your sources show white makes commit over half the mass shootings. No other single category of men comes close. That makes white men as a group the largest problem.

Per capita frequencies are suggestive of individual probabilities or individual representation but not necessarily of a larger issue.
 
Come on. Premeditated and completely random shootings is almost exclusively white man job.
Bullshit!
Blacks usually have some reasons and target people who are at least somewhat connected to the cause.
What "cause" would that be? Btw, the Minneapolis shooter had a "cause" and "reasons" too, at least in xir's own mind.
School shootings are unique in that the victims( children) cannot by any reasonable standards be called responsible for the anger/perversity/whatever that drives school shooters.

Gang shootings are more easily traced as being motivated by some action/inaction of the victims.
 
I did not say that men or white men were the biggest problem.
You used "overwhelming".
I did point out that most mass shootings of schools, churches, clubs, malls and concerts were committed by white males. That’s just a statement of statistics not an assignment of blame.
And yet statistics do not bear that out. At least not for mass shootings in general. What statistics do you base your statements that shootings at these venues are "overwhelmingly" the work of white men?

If we include the typical mass shooting category used by law enforcement ( 4 or more shooting victims in a single incident) , most are committed by makes.
Males sure, but white males specifically are underrepresented based on all stats I have seen, which use varying definitions of mass shootings.
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You can blame it on testosterone if you like but that changes nothing. Testosterone is not an excuse or a valid explanation as only a small percentage of males shoot other people.
It is not an excuse, but it is a valid explanation for greater aggression levels of the male of the species.
This is one of the reasons that the society needs to channel aggression into safe channels, like sports.
But even if it were THE single thing responsible for all shootings of more than 3 individuals at a time, I seriously doubt you’d be suggesting that men be put in testosterone blockers at age 12. Nor would I or any other sane human being.
No, I wasn't suggesting anything like that. My statement was purely descriptive.
Acknowledging that males commit the majority of the acts of violence is acknowledging a fact.
I never said that it wasn't. But you combined it with white into "white males". I took an issue with that. It suggests that white males are somehow more violence-prone that other men, and data do not bear that out.
Focusing on my on that fact ignores that women are also capable of violence and even gun violence.
Yes, they certainly are. But too often when women commit violent crimes people from posters on this forum to Hilary Clinton offer excuses and downplay female violence.
Playing word games does nothing to address the underlying problem: violence and especially —but not exclusively —gun violence is a destructive force in the US. Compared with any other country on earth and you see a glaringly obvious difference between the US and other countries with respect to violence and that is the abundance and easy access to firearms in the US.
Many other countries have higher homicide rates than the US. So "any other country" is laying it on way too thick.
It is correct that US has higher homicide rate than other developed countries. But there is a huge discrepancy by race. The homicide rate is even more lopsided than mass shooting rate. Black homicide rate is 5-6x higher than white homicide rate in the US.
People in other countries hunt. They defend against wildlife when necessary. They shoot for sport. Just not other human beings.
Well, humans are the deadliest game of all.
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People in other countries kill each other too. It's not something unique to US.
What makes us so goddam special? Why have we allowed the NRA to set policy for..,anything? Why have we decided it’s a big ho hum that the NRA has very substantial ties to Russia?
Yes, NRA opposes even sensible gun laws. On the other side, the gun grabbers want to go too far.
 
Work on yours because your site says white Americans commit 53% of mass shootings.
Which is less than white people's percentage of population.
... you could make the same argument for literally every percentage listed, that it is less than the percentage of population for each.
 
I did not say that men or white men were the biggest problem.
You used "overwhelming".
I did point out that most mass shootings of schools, churches, clubs, malls and concerts were committed by white males. That’s just a statement of statistics not an assignment of blame.
And yet statistics do not bear that out. At least not for mass shootings in general. What statistics do you base your statements that shootings at these venues are "overwhelmingly" the work of white men?

If we include the typical mass shooting category used by law enforcement ( 4 or more shooting victims in a single incident) , most are committed by makes.
Males sure, but white males specifically are underrepresented based on all stats I have seen, which use varying definitions of mass shootings.
INTERACTIVE-The-number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-US-infographic-2022-complete.png


You can blame it on testosterone if you like but that changes nothing. Testosterone is not an excuse or a valid explanation as only a small percentage of males shoot other people.
It is not an excuse, but it is a valid explanation for greater aggression levels of the male of the species.
This is one of the reasons that the society needs to channel aggression into safe channels, like sports.
But even if it were THE single thing responsible for all shootings of more than 3 individuals at a time, I seriously doubt you’d be suggesting that men be put in testosterone blockers at age 12. Nor would I or any other sane human being.
No, I wasn't suggesting anything like that. My statement was purely descriptive.
Acknowledging that males commit the majority of the acts of violence is acknowledging a fact.
I never said that it wasn't. But you combined it with white into "white males". I took an issue with that. It suggests that white males are somehow more violence-prone that other men, and data do not bear that out.
Focusing on my on that fact ignores that women are also capable of violence and even gun violence.
Yes, they certainly are. But too often when women commit violent crimes people from posters on this forum to Hilary Clinton offer excuses and downplay female violence.
Playing word games does nothing to address the underlying problem: violence and especially —but not exclusively —gun violence is a destructive force in the US. Compared with any other country on earth and you see a glaringly obvious difference between the US and other countries with respect to violence and that is the abundance and easy access to firearms in the US.
Many other countries have higher homicide rates than the US. So "any other country" is laying it on way too thick.
It is correct that US has higher homicide rate than other developed countries. But there is a huge discrepancy by race. The homicide rate is even more lopsided than mass shooting rate. Black homicide rate is 5-6x higher than white homicide rate in the US.
People in other countries hunt. They defend against wildlife when necessary. They shoot for sport. Just not other human beings.
Well, humans are the deadliest game of all.
SQUID-GAME-302-02.gif

People in other countries kill each other too. It's not something unique to US.
What makes us so goddam special? Why have we allowed the NRA to set policy for..,anything? Why have we decided it’s a big ho hum that the NRA has very substantial ties to Russia?
Yes, NRA opposes even sensible gun laws. On the other side, the gun grabbers want to go too far.
I’ve also separated out mass shootings the way most people think of them: school shootings, shootings at houses of worship, concerts, shopping malls, concerts, etc. where almost all of the shooters have been white and male.

You use the definition of four or more victims, which, aside from the types I enumerated above, tend to have different motivations ( often related to other criminal activity) and different deferent types of perpetrators—individuals visuals who are otherwise known to engage in criminal activity. There is a big difference between shooting up an elementary school, deliberately targeting young children, and criminals shooting each other over turf wars or similar. Victims are different, although certainly children are often killed in this type of violence and certainly many children are deeply and negatively affected by the danger, violence and fear that permeate their neighborhoods, their families and their lives.

You have a great deal of difficulty acknowledging that there is a very specific type of mass murder that is most likely to be committed by someone(s) who are white and male.

Criminality by white men is often acknowledged by society as a whole—FFS, we just elected a convicted felon! White color crime is somehow seen as ‘victimless’ although many lives are ruined and indeed, people die as a result. We also allow white collar criminals to buy legislators and legislation, law enforcement, office holders, etc.

Key word seems to be white.
 
What "cause" would that be? Btw, the Minneapolis shooter had a "cause" and "reasons" too, at least in xir's own mind
Classic black "mass" shooting is gang related shooting at the parties. No premeditation is involved.
I don't consider that mass shooting.
Name one actual mass school shooting perpetrated by a black person.
 
I did not.
Yes, you did.
Your sources show white makes commit over half the mass shootings. No other single category of men comes close. That makes white men as a group the largest problem.
But that's solely because well over half the population is white. You are basically blaming whites for being the biggest demographic group in the US.
Per capita frequencies are suggestive of individual probabilities or individual representation but not necessarily of a larger issue.
Per capita rates are the only thing that matters. Unless you want to play bigoted games, which evidently you do.
 
Classic blacks "mass" shooting is gang related shooting at the parties. No premeditation is involved.
That's bullshit. A shooting being gang related or "at a party" in no way precludes premeditation.
I don't consider that mass shooting.
None of the definitions from the infographic above includes things like "not at a party" as a criterion.
Name one actual mass school shooting perpetrated by a black person.
Whatever I would offer, you'd say it's not an "actual" mass shooting.
 
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