How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[aupmanyav]

A sufficient price must be exacted upon Russia to dissuade Putin from his imperialist ambitions.

Let the price be such that it does not make Putin (aided by China and North Korea) to use the nukes. They have more than 5,000. Be careful.

 

[aupmanyav]

“Tilting” justifies genocide, land theft and subjugation.The thief gets to define what constitutes “tilting”.
Got it.
It’s fucking ignorance like this that ENABLES stuff like genocide, land theft and subjugation.
Fuck you, Aupy. You’re old enough to know better.

To Putin, it is justified.
Various countries have engaged in these things at various times, that continues. Russia is not the only one.
Trump threatening Venezuela.
I know some. Better comes up only when two are compared.

 

[Harry Bosch]

“Tilting” justifies genocide, land theft and subjugation.The thief gets to define what constitutes “tilting”.
Got it.
It’s fucking ignorance like this that ENABLES stuff like genocide, land theft and subjugation.
Fuck you, Aupy. You’re old enough to know better.

To Putin, it is justified.
Various countries have engaged in these things at various times, that continues. Russia is not the only one.
Trump threatening Venezuela.
I know some. Better comes up only when two are compared.

Every country on earth has a reason and an excuse to hate a border country. And that what it is, an excuse. If we are going to allow excuses to stop peace, we'll be in forever war. I think that Trump is finally right, I think that to end this war, and bring Russia back to the negotiating table, the world needs to stop buying their oil. No just India. But the whole world. This includes Europe, Asia, Africa, and India. It will hurt the world economy. But I don't see any other way to stop the fighting. And if a country doesn't go along, fuck them. Increase tariffs on them dramatically. To me, if a country is helping continue a war, they should be cut off. This war has been going on for 3.5 years; it needs to stop.

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[Elixir]

Trump threatening Venezuela.

Yeah that’s exactly the same as sending thousands of drones, missiles, N Korean cannon fodder and hundreds of thousands of murderous thugs to rape murder and pillage them.
What an idiotic comparison.
TACO. In any event.

 

[aupmanyav]

I think that to end this war, and bring Russia back to the negotiating table, the world needs to stop buying their oil. No just India. And if a country doesn't go along, fuck them. Increase tariffs on them dramatically.

OK, try. It has not happened till now. I do not think we will stop buying oil from Russia. You may try that also. Increase the tariff on Indian goods to 100% or 200 % or whatever you like.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I think that to end this war, and bring Russia back to the negotiating table, the world needs to stop buying their oil. No just India. And if a country doesn't go along, fuck them. Increase tariffs on them dramatically.

OK, try. It has not happened till now. I do not think we will stop buying oil from Russia. You may try that also. Increase the tariff on Indian goods to 100% or 200 % or whatever you like.

Oh, I'm sure you won't. Neither will China. North Korea will continue aiding Russia also. I think that ultimately, the world will become three camps: one that helps Russia; one that helps Ukraine; and the third that plays both sides. Things will get tighter and tighter. And eventually, countries will have decide, do they want to trade and economically benefit with the west, or with Russia. We have to find a way to stop this war. Creating economic incentives that entice countries that want peace to work together; while rejecting countries that contribute to war; might be a long-term solution. You have a better idea, let's hear it.

 

[aupmanyav]

Oh, I'm sure you won't. Neither will China. .. You have a better idea, let's hear it.

Who can have an idea better than US, Trump, Navarro, etc. Where do we stand? You are lords of the universe and we are a third-rate country. But kindly return us our 216 billion USD that we hold as US Treasury securities.

US owes India USD 216 billion as American debt soars to USD 29 trillion: lawmaker

America's national debt was USD5.6 trillion in 2000. During the Obama administration, it actually doubled. In 2020, the US national debt was USD 23.4 trillion, that was USD 72,309 in debt per person.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[laughing dog]

Oh, I'm sure you won't. Neither will China. .. You have a better idea, let's hear it.

Who can have an idea better than US, Trump, Navarro, etc. Where do we stand? You are lords of the universe and we are a third-rate country. But kindly return our 216 billion USD that you owe us.

US owes India USD 216 billion as American debt soars to USD 29 trillion: lawmaker

America's national debt was USD5.6 trillion in 2000. During the Obama administration, it actually doubled. In 2020, the US national debt was USD 23.4 trillion, that was USD 72,309 in debt per person.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

When the bonds come due, the owners get paid. That’s the deal.

Unless you have evidence the USA is in arrears with Indian owners of US debt, your request suggests a lack of understanding.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Reports of Poland shooting down some drones, confirmed by military.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/09/europe/poland-scramble-jets-russian-drone-reports-intl-hnk-ml

Worse, this wasn't an oops.

SIM cards in downed drones expose Russia’s months-long plan to target Poland and Lithuania - Euromaidan Press

Russia prepared drone strikes on Poland and Lithuania for months, using local SIM cards to test network connectivity.

euromaidanpress.com

Local SIM cards.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's why I reminded you that Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoked after lying about the preparations for the initial catastrophic failure...

Russian annexation of Crimea was not unprovoked. If the Ukranian leaders after Ynukovich were intelligent enough, they would have realized that tilting westward too much will alarm Russia.

So what if they alarmed Russia? That is not an act of war, Russia has no justification for attacking.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Khrushchev (USSR leader) explicitly gave Crimea to Ukraine.

And Putin (Russia leader) explicitly took it back

You can't take a back a gift.

 

[barbos]

Khrushchev (USSR leader) explicitly gave Crimea to Ukraine.

And Putin (Russia leader) explicitly took it back

You can't take a back a gift.

So if I steal money and gift to someone, there is no way to get it back?

 

[barbos]

It's why I reminded you that Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoked after lying about the preparations for the initial catastrophic failure...

Russian annexation of Crimea was not unprovoked. If the Ukranian leaders after Ynukovich were intelligent enough, they would have realized that tilting westward too much will alarm Russia.

So what if they alarmed Russia? That is not an act of war, Russia has no justification for attacking.

We did not attack anyone, Crimean parliament simply voted and left Ukraine. And they had full right to do so according to the original constitution. The same way all 15 USSR republics left USSR. Although some people argue it did not follow proper procedures and keeping that right was a mistake of USSR. Also land "gift" within USSR should not have been recognized anyway. The truth is, most USSR republics had artificial borders which did not reflect ethnic/language/cultural borders.
A lot of republics had significant parts with russian land/population in them

 

[barbos]

Reports of Poland shooting down some drones, confirmed by military.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/09/europe/poland-scramble-jets-russian-drone-reports-intl-hnk-ml

Worse, this wasn't an oops.

SIM cards in downed drones expose Russia’s months-long plan to target Poland and Lithuania - Euromaidan Press

Russia prepared drone strikes on Poland and Lithuania for months, using local SIM cards to test network connectivity.

euromaidanpress.com

Local SIM cards.

Bloody hell, you are slow. You assume it was a russian attack.
When in reality what it actually proves beyond any doubt It was fucking Ukrainians and/or Poles themselves, using recovered russian decoy drones to launch them into Poland.
Some photos of drones have fucking duct-tape on them. And chances are, there were no actual airspace incursion. They simply planted these drones into sites and took the pictures. Cause on one picture it was determined that "damage" was caused by previous storm.
Russian drones do not need stupid polish SIM cards. Seriusly, how fucking dumb one have to be to believe that shit? and from euromaidanpress of all places? Even poles themselves (according to polls) believe it was ukrainians.

 

[Elixir]

It's why I reminded you that Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoked after lying about the preparations for the initial catastrophic failure...

Russian annexation of Crimea was not unprovoked. If the Ukranian leaders after Ynukovich were intelligent enough, they would have realized that tilting westward too much will alarm Russia.

So what if they alarmed Russia? That is not an act of war, Russia has no justification for attacking.

Feelings. If you have feelings that provoke you, you reflexively go to war. Because people are no better than ants.
Everyone knows that, right Aupy?

 

[aupmanyav]

So what if they alarmed Russia? That is not an act of war, Russia has no justification for attacking.

What happens when you alarm a dog, a bear or a tiger?

 

[aupmanyav]

Feelings. If you have feelings that provoke you, you reflexively go to war. Because people are no better than ants.
Everyone knows that, right Aupy?

Depends. Modi would have talked to the person (we have been telling Pakistan to abandon terrorism since decades. Now they are rebuilding the destroyed LeT headquarter. Perhaps we will need to destroy it again. And what does it results in? Destroyed lives of Indian Muslims who fall in the Pakistani terror net).
Putin should have been handled well before Poroshenko was elected.

 

[barbos]

Putin should have been handled well before Poroshenko was elected.

And you sound negative of Russia here, which is weird.
EuroMaidan was handling Putin and Russia

 

[bilby]

So what if they alarmed Russia? That is not an act of war, Russia has no justification for attacking.

What happens when you alarm a dog, a bear or a tiger?

Those animals probably don't think through their response before attacking.

Do you think that Russians are, like dogs, bears, and tigers, incapable of a measured and reasonable response? The one thing humans do better than other animals is think.

Or are you saying that Russians are just vicious and unthinking brutes?

 

[Tigers!]

I strongly recommend A J P Taylor's The Struggle for Mastery in Europe 1848–1918 as a starting point for anyone who is so incredibly ignorant of C19th European history as to imagine that "united" is a suitable word to describe the nations of that continent in the C19th and early C20th.

A .pdf version is available at: https://hostnezt.com/cssfiles/europehistory/The Struggle for Mastery In Europe 1848-1918 By A J P Taylor.pdf

That is a fine book.