Fuck CBS. They bow to trump

[RVonse]

Comedians and writers of humor have commented on politics for centuries. Humor is a powerful way to educate. No, political commentary is not a prerequisite for comedy, anymore than dancing is a necessity for a singer. But the best comedians have not been bashful about revealing their political feelings. Mark Twain, H.L. Mencken, Will Rogers, and even Benjamin Franklin were humorists who wrote much about politics. Closer to the present, Mort Sahl and George Carlin were top comedians who specialized in discussing politics.

I watched many episodes of Johnny Carson decades ago, but about all I remember of him now is "he was the guy he used to bend out of view to take snorts of cocaine even when on camera." Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart have given us rather more substance to remember them by.

Modern comedians could learn a thing or two from late comedian Johnny Carson. Carson was just as funny as anyone else but he never alienated half his audience because he was careful to be a political athiest. Carson lasted over 30 years in the business.

If I were the CEO of Disney or some other outlet I would tell my employees exactly the same thing. Don't let your customers know your politics so you won't lose half your business.

We can see that you, as one who admires Trump, think that financial gain should be the only motive for a comedian or TV talk-show host. But those of us with a broader view of human motivation are repulsed by the selfish greed that motivates adherents to Trumpism.

And especially discouraging is that you treat the "partisanship" today as similar in quality to the D-vs-R partisanship of the 20th century. To you, @RVonse , Trump and his merry band of criminals and fascists are just another instantiation of the Eisenhower, Reagan or Bush Administrations.

The U.S. is mutating before our eyes into a banana republic not unlike Myanmar, Iran, Hungary, Saudi Arabia, El Salvador or Russia. And this transformation is proceeding at a pace much faster than even pessimists expected. And yet, as we witness even here at IIDB where most posters have 95+ IQs, millions of Americans don't see it, even now. Where do you all get your news? Alex Jones, QAnon, Karoline Leavitt and idiots_are_us.com ?

Both Kimmel and Carson were employed by CBS. For better or worse the FCC regulated and still regulates CBS to make sure they are a public service good. The bar is much lower for Fox news or even CNN because they are not viewed to going over public airways by the FCC.

So if you want to be a comedian who is constantly grinding the ax for one party I would not pick a public network like ABS, CBS, or NBC that in the past was closely regulated by the FCC. I would continue to grind away on a cable network instead. Because like it or not, you are not providing a public good if you are making fun of half the public population.

 

[robnisch]

Broadcast TV been dying for years. Even cable is going away.
Kimmel had 20,000,000 YouTube viewers.

 

[bilby]

Gropers?

I think you mean groypers.

That's absurd. How would they even hold a gun??

 

[Shadowy Man]

Comedians and writers of humor have commented on politics for centuries. Humor is a powerful way to educate. No, political commentary is not a prerequisite for comedy, anymore than dancing is a necessity for a singer. But the best comedians have not been bashful about revealing their political feelings. Mark Twain, H.L. Mencken, Will Rogers, and even Benjamin Franklin were humorists who wrote much about politics. Closer to the present, Mort Sahl and George Carlin were top comedians who specialized in discussing politics.

I watched many episodes of Johnny Carson decades ago, but about all I remember of him now is "he was the guy he used to bend out of view to take snorts of cocaine even when on camera." Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart have given us rather more substance to remember them by.

Modern comedians could learn a thing or two from late comedian Johnny Carson. Carson was just as funny as anyone else but he never alienated half his audience because he was careful to be a political athiest. Carson lasted over 30 years in the business.

If I were the CEO of Disney or some other outlet I would tell my employees exactly the same thing. Don't let your customers know your politics so you won't lose half your business.

We can see that you, as one who admires Trump, think that financial gain should be the only motive for a comedian or TV talk-show host. But those of us with a broader view of human motivation are repulsed by the selfish greed that motivates adherents to Trumpism.

And especially discouraging is that you treat the "partisanship" today as similar in quality to the D-vs-R partisanship of the 20th century. To you, @RVonse , Trump and his merry band of criminals and fascists are just another instantiation of the Eisenhower, Reagan or Bush Administrations.

The U.S. is mutating before our eyes into a banana republic not unlike Myanmar, Iran, Hungary, Saudi Arabia, El Salvador or Russia. And this transformation is proceeding at a pace much faster than even pessimists expected. And yet, as we witness even here at IIDB where most posters have 95+ IQs, millions of Americans don't see it, even now. Where do you all get your news? Alex Jones, QAnon, Karoline Leavitt and idiots_are_us.com ?

Both Kimmel and Carson were employed by CBS. For better or worse the FCC regulated and still regulates CBS to make sure they are a public service good. The bar is much lower for Fox news or even CNN because they are not viewed to going over public airways by the FCC.

Are the standards of “public good” codified within the FCC regulations? And how exactly did Jimmy Kimmel violate these standards?

 

[WAB]

Gropers?

I think you mean groypers.

That's absurd. How would they even hold a gun??

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They could grip it by the husk...

 

[RVonse]

Are the standards of “public good” codified within the FCC regulations? And how exactly did Jimmy Kimmel violate these standards?

You do not have to be fair and balanced anymore no argument there. But you still have standards of decency.

And you at least have to pretend to be presenting programming that is suitable for all of the public. All ages and all ideology. Kimmel would not have a problem if he told jokes about both political views like Carson did. The problem was grinding his liberal ax grinding propaganda making it impossible for half of the public to even watch on his public air wave supposedly owned by all of the public. If the air waves are public they should not be monopolized be any ideology left or right.

I would expect "The View" to get in trouble next for the same reasons.

 

[bilby]

Are the standards of “public good” codified within the FCC regulations? And how exactly did Jimmy Kimmel violate these standards?

You do not have to be fair and balanced anymore no argument there.

But you at least have to pretend to be presenting programming that is suitable for all of the public. All ages and all ideology. Kimmel would not have a problem if he told jokes about both political views like Carson did. The problem was grinding his liberal ax making it impossible for half of the public to watch on his public air wave supposedly owned by all of the public.

I would expect "The View" to get in trouble next for the same reasons.

If those were even vaguely the reasons for Kimmel's being cancelled, then I would expect Fox News to get in trouble next.

They don't even pretend to "be presenting programming that is suitable for all of the public. All ages and all ideology.".

The problem is that they are grinding their fascist ax making it impossible for half of the public to watch.

The reason that this is NOT a problem for Fox News, is that Trump personally likes what they have to say. And that is a problem, because what is or is not allowed to be broadcast on TV is not up to the President, according to the US Constitution that he swore to uphold.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Are the standards of “public good” codified within the FCC regulations? And how exactly did Jimmy Kimmel violate these standards?

You do not have to be fair and balanced anymore no argument there. But you still have standards of decency.

And you at least have to pretend to be presenting programming that is suitable for all of the public. All ages and all ideology. Kimmel would not have a problem if he told jokes about both political views like Carson did. The problem was grinding his liberal ax grinding propaganda making it impossible for half of the public to even watch on his public air wave supposedly owned by all of the public. If the air waves are public they should not be monopolized be any ideology left or right.

I would expect "The View" to get in trouble next for the same reasons.

Kimmel has been one sided for a long time. Do you think it was just coincidence then that he got fired within days of the FCC saying that they might revoke license or impede mergers if the stations didn’t change their programming? And that there is reporting that the executives did not think he crossed a line but were afraid of Trump administration backlash?

 

[Elixir]

Are the standards of “public good” codified within the FCC regulations? And how exactly did Jimmy Kimmel violate these standards?

You do not have to be fair and balanced anymore no argument there. But you still have standards of decency.

And you at least have to pretend to be presenting programming that is suitable for all of the public. All ages and all ideology. Kimmel would not have a problem if he told jokes about both political views like Carson did. The problem was grinding his liberal ax grinding propaganda making it impossible for half of the public to even watch on his public air wave supposedly owned by all of the public. If the air waves are public they should not be monopolized be any ideology left or right.

I would expect "The View" to get in trouble next for the same reasons.

Kimmel has been one sided for a long time. Do you think it was just coincidence then that he got fired within days of the FCC saying that they might revoke license or impede mergers if the stations didn’t change their programming? And that there is reporting that the executives did not think he crossed a line but were afraid of Trump administration backlash?

… and then there’s all the entities that have already been shaken down to placate the overgrown little brat. Who wants to be the next example?

 

[laughing dog]

Are the standards of “public good” codified within the FCC regulations? And how exactly did Jimmy Kimmel violate these standards?

You do not have to be fair and balanced anymore no argument there. But you still have standards of decency.

And you at least have to pretend to be presenting programming that is suitable for all of the public. All ages and all ideology. Kimmel would not have a problem if he told jokes about both political views like Carson did. The problem was grinding his liberal ax grinding propaganda making it impossible for half of the public to even watch on his public air wave supposedly owned by all of the public. If the air waves are public they should not be monopolized be any ideology left or right.

I would expect "The View" to get in trouble next for the same reasons.

Unless you think Kimmel was literally indecent, your argument appears to rest on the premise that if any particular ideology is indecent to someone, shows that promote should be banned. Taken seriously, that leads to no shows of any stripe.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

... I wonder would Trump then try and press Google to bend to his authoritarian will?

I can’t think why not, the Biden administration tried it.

Unfounded gibberish? {snip}

Oh come now, i know you haven’t forgotten Brandon’s administration trying to suppress the laptop story (you obsessed about it) or raging against “misinformation” about Covid on facebook etc.

Reality:

1) The chain of custody was completely compromised. It is at best a suggestion of where to look further, it is not evidence.

2) It contained provably fake material. Thus not only is custody compromised but it is a known fake, not even useful as to where to look further.

You kept flogging a horse skeleton.

 

[unapologetic]

Are the standards of “public good” codified within the FCC regulations? And how exactly did Jimmy Kimmel violate these standards?

As I see it, exposing coruption in the whitehouse is exactly the 'Public Good' broadcasters should be doing. Kimmel and Colbert were following standards Edward R. Murrow set.

 

[jonatha]

And you at least have to pretend to be presenting programming that is suitable for all of the public

Cite?

One of the reasons comedians are relegated to late night is to avoid the "wholesomeness" requirements placed on broadcasts at earlier hours...

 

[barbos]

YOU don't understand how 'free' content on the internet is monatized. They are watching YOU. Your viewing habbits. and selling data about you.

I understand and don't care. I just enjoy youtube without adds

 

[Patooka]

Gropers?

I think you mean groypers. And where is the evidence for this?

Probably when Kirk's turning point started apologising for Fuentes mob. Please ask me for proof that you (I assume) don't know about.

 

[Jarhyn]

(In response to #51 by Mr. KFC)
They are at high tide, no doubt. But if they mess up the economy bad enough, or if they put the dynamite under Social Security (for 27% of SS recipients, it's their sole source of income, for another 20%, it's over 75% of their income, and consider how many of these folks currently support the Bronze Beast), that could all change. Clearly a disastrous pandemic won't dislodge Trump, because he already dragged us through one of those. And clearly they don't care about his cussing and his treasonous support of the Capitol rioters. That's all fake news. But if your monthly check stops or is gouged, that aint fake.

The following would happen:

1. Trump would tell them the economy is great and they'll believe it.

2. He'd tell them it's all the Democrats fault and they'll believe it.

3. He'll blame immigrants, Antifa, and "the radical left" and they'll believe it.

They've eschewed their own senses, morality, and reality for their beloved orange shitpants. They watched as loved ones died during the pandemic while Trump denied it was happening. He bungled it as badly as possible and they still love him.

There's no rationale that can be used to change their minds. I have a friend whom I've agreed to not discuss politics with. He's a nurse and he called covid fake until it came to his hospital. "It wasn't thing but now it is." He literally said that. Once in a while he'll shit out some comment like "There goes Democrats name calling again."

The world they live in is impervious to reality.

And this is, in a more real sense, a "hardening of hears of those who took on his mark" as it were, or however it goes.

It's bizarre how lost some folks are, but in t happened before because it's part of human nature; of course it did. And it will happen again.

 

[Patooka]

Both Kimmel and Carson were employed by CBS. For better or worse the FCC regulated and still regulates CBS to make sure they are a public service good. The bar is much lower for Fox news or even CNN because they are not viewed to going over public airways by the FCC.

So if you want to be a comedian who is constantly grinding the ax for one party I would not pick a public network like ABS, CBS, or NBC that in the past was closely regulated by the FCC. I would continue to grind away on a cable network instead. Because like it or not, you are not providing a public good if you are making fun of half the public population.

Censorship bullshit. You love censorship. Only when it happens to your tribe's benefit.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Both Kimmel and Carson were employed by CBS. For better or worse the FCC regulated and still regulates CBS to make sure they are a public service good. The bar is much lower for Fox news or even CNN because they are not viewed to going over public airways by the FCC.

So if you want to be a comedian who is constantly grinding the ax for one party I would not pick a public network like ABS, CBS, or NBC that in the past was closely regulated by the FCC. I would continue to grind away on a cable network instead. Because like it or not, you are not providing a public good if you are making fun of half the public population.

Censorship bullshit. You love censorship. Only when it happens to your tribe's benefit.

Right. I didn't know the First Amendment came to a screeching halt if someone promoted beliefs (in this case, satire) that was distasteful to a segment of the public. Actually I thought that was what the First Amendment was for. I guess Trump is schooling all of us on the American tradition and our legacy of always pleasing monarchs.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Are the standards of “public good” codified within the FCC regulations? And how exactly did Jimmy Kimmel violate these standards?

You do not have to be fair and balanced anymore no argument there. But you still have standards of decency.

And you at least have to pretend to be presenting programming that is suitable for all of the public. All ages and all ideology. Kimmel would not have a problem if he told jokes about both political views like Carson did.

So Kimmel's bit about fucking Matt Damon didn't get any complaints from you regarding decency, but commenting on politics was a bridge to too far because... 'what about the children'?

The problem was grinding his liberal ax grinding propaganda making it impossible for half of the public to even watch on his public air wave supposedly owned by all of the public. If the air waves are public they should not be monopolized be any ideology left or right.

I would expect "The View" to get in trouble next for the same reasons.

After how many years of worrying about tyranny and the government lying to you... when tyranny starts taking over, you support it and become critical of the people making notice of the tyranny.

 

[Gospel]

If it happens to someone else, we call it security; if it happens to us, we call it tyranny. - some Americans