Climate Change(d)?

[WAB]

Even Mr. Swizz isn't as stupid as he seems. He has at least a glimmering awareness that anthropogenic climate change is real but somehow enjoys portraying a moronic Trumpist on this message board.

I think many of us role-play on a message board. I, for example, appear to be a sarcastic asshole here, but in real life I'm a sarcastic but friendly buffoon.

"Stupid as he seems" is uncalled for. There seems to be a very nasty streak among some members here, that is getting worse.

I apologize for my frequent complaints which sometimes become uncontrolled and even abusive. Trying to make excuses for my behavior would be pointless.

Everyone posting here is above average in intelligence; and most of you are exceptionally intelligent. That's why it's enjoyable to interact here. and why it's frustrating when communication fails.

And note that "stupid as he seems" is a misquote. I wrote that the poster was "NOT as stupid as he seems," suggesting that he was play-acting rather than actually unwilling to learn.

But anyway, I do apologize. I will try to tone down some of my posts in future.

Sorry, I misquoted you! That was not intentional. I hate when people misquote me.

 

[WAB]

I understand there are actual climatologists who dissent from the accepted view of it, and I do not believe that this dissent means they are stupid. Maybe they are, but I'm not qualified to judge. Maybe TSwizzle is stupid, but I don't know him and I am not qualified to judge.

it’s not the dissent itself that is being criticized. It is the lack of rationality behind the defense of the dissent.

And the refusal to actually learn anything, with blatant mischaracterizations of what scientists claim (which is another very tiring thing ultimately leading to things like the demonization of experts). It'd be one thing if someone's interested in learning, but based on Tswizzle's responses, he's not,

Okay. I over-reacted. Lo siento!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I have never said we should be polite to bullies, but I don't like calling people stupid for having an opinion, however unpopular. I can say, "hey that's a stupid thing to say", but lots of very smart people say very stupid things sometimes. There are very smart people here who have said monumentally stupid things.

I am truly sorry if I've said anything to offend you.

What he's saying isn't simply an opinion. It's contrary to widely established fact--namely, that infectious disease exists. That's stupid.

 

[steve_bank]

I know enough science to understand the issue, but I am not going to became knowledgeable in all science related to climate any time soon.

I have to go with a large scientific consensus with a small dissent. And the loud vocal dissent moistly coming from vested interests in fossil fuels.

I have faith that in the long run in science truth always wins out, shown historically.

 

[Elixir]

I have faith that in the long run in science truth always wins out, shown historically.

Reality always wins out, and science is more consilient with reality than crackpottery. Generally speaking, that is.

 

[TSwizzle]

I have faith that in the long run in science truth always wins out, shown historically.

Not when you have activist “scientists” pushing their own agendas and backed up by politicians, gullible media and useful idiots.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I have faith that in the long run in science truth always wins out, shown historically.

Not when you have activist “scientists” pushing their own agendas.

He is talking about scientists, not “scientists”.

 

[TSwizzle]

I have faith that in the long run in science truth always wins out, shown historically.

Not when you have activist “scientists” pushing their own agendas.

He is talking about scientists, not “scientists”.

Sure, Jan.

 

[WAB]

I have never said we should be polite to bullies, but I don't like calling people stupid for having an opinion, however unpopular. I can say, "hey that's a stupid thing to say", but lots of very smart people say very stupid things sometimes. There are very smart people here who have said monumentally stupid things.

I am truly sorry if I've said anything to offend you.

What he's saying isn't simply an opinion. It's contrary to widely established fact--namely, that infectious disease exists. That's stupid.

You must have missed it when I said I don't see anything wrong with saying something is stupid or that something someone says is stupid. What I object to (rightly) is accusing someone of BEING stupid, as in lacking intelligence, for holding a certain belief or view - even if the view or belief is not very sensible.

Lots of very intelligent people believe stupid things (religion comes to mind); and some intelligent people hold horrible, rotten, despicable views. Evil and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.

But you do you, and I will do me. I don't plan on changing my mind on this particular thing just because you lot here disapprove.

ETA : Wait a minute. You talking about RFK or TSwizzle? Because I was talking about the latter. Or has TSwizzle claimed that infectious disease doesn't exist?

 

[steve_bank]

I have faith that in the long run in science truth always wins out, shown historically.

Not when you have activist “scientists” pushing their own agendas and backed up by politicians, gullible media and useful idiots.

What is wrong with any scientist being an activist on c,climate change? It does not invalidate the science.

In science it is ingrained to follow data and the observations and measurable facts.

Along with that there is no pope or central authority in science. Theories have to gain a wide global range of scientific support before becoming accepted. A lot of global independent review.

Your lack of comprehension relegates you to an anti climate science activist propagandist using ad homs like

'backed up by politicians, gullible media and useful idiots. '

Actually to the fossil fuel inrterests you are the 'useful idiot'.

Adding.

I don't have a number to quote of the total number of people globally engaged in climate and related science. The consensus is global. North/Central/South America, Europe, China, India, Africa.

The global sience is that all natural causes are accounted for and the current iissues are from human pollution. It is upon us now.

Not politicians or activists. Global independent science consensus.

It is Trump who is trying to politicize government science to reject or ignore climate science. Part of his backers are the fossil fuel industry. He wanted to increase coal p;roduction.

Anti climate science activism is propaganda serving financial interests.

 

[TSwizzle]

I have faith that in the long run in science truth always wins out, shown historically.

Not when you have activist “scientists” pushing their own agendas and backed up by politicians, gullible media and useful idiots.

What is wrong with any scientist being an activist on c,climate change? It does not invalidate the science.

ffs, really?

The global sience is that all natural causes are accounted for and the current iissues are from human pollution. It is upon us now.

This is just nonsense on stilts.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

ETA : Wait a minute. You talking about RFK or TSwizzle? Because I was talking about the latter. Or has TSwizzle claimed that infectious disease doesn't exist?

He has claimed climate scientists (and people who accept human-caused climate change is happening) are part of an "End Times cult" despite the fact that it's established science human-caused climate change is happening, and that the vast majority of scientists are not claiming "the world's going to end!" due to climate change. It's not something that's up for debate, and scientists aren't claiming what he's repeatedly falsely claiming they're claiming, despite everyone correcting him.

 

[steve_bank]

The problem for climate science deniers like TSwizzle is that in daily life they rely on science they do not understand.

Vaccinations and medications. Using alcohol to disinfect a cut. How aspirin works. Cell phones and Internet. Cars. Electricity.

Relying on local weather forecasting yet rejecting the climate science on which the forecasting is based..

 

[Shadowy Man]

I have faith that in the long run in science truth always wins out, shown historically.

Not when you have activist “scientists” pushing their own agendas.

He is talking about scientists, not “scientists”.

Sure, Jan.

WAB: QED

 

[GenesisNemesis]

The other thing I find pretty asinine (besides Tswizzle claiming to know more than the experts) is this weird notion that scientists can't care about stuff besides science.

 

[steve_bank]

Another thing is science can be extremely competitive. If there were credible alternatives to the current consensus they would surface.

 

[TSwizzle]

He has claimed climate scientists (and people who accept human-caused climate change is happening) are part of an "End Times cult" despite the fact that it's established science human-caused climate change is happening,

This is not a fact in evidence. I should not have to keep repeating that climate changes naturally and is variable but here I am again having to repeat it.

and that the vast majority of scientists are not claiming "the world's going to end!" due to climate change.

The “scientists” are claiming we are living through an existential threat of climate breakdown, tipping points and other boogeymen. It is male bovine excrement and is a religion for you.

 

[steve_bank]

TSwizzle

You are not repeating yourself, you are babbling nonsense.

If you get a cut do you wipe it with alcohol and use an antibiotic cream?

Do you question the efficacy of either alcohol as a disinfectant or antibiotic creams or do you just go with what science says?

Or do you reject the science behind alcohol as a disinfectant and antibiotic creams entirely?

Do you believe bacteria exist and can cause disease, infection, and death?

 

[TSwizzle]

TSwizzle

You are not repeating yourself, you are babbling nonsense.

You (I think it was you) posted about Tehran running out of water because of climate change. That is false and you accuse me of babbling nonsense?!

Do you believe bacteria exist and can cause disease, infection, and death?

ffs, just stop with this nonsense.

 

[steve_bank]

He has claimed climate scientists (and people who accept human-caused climate change is happening) are part of an "End Times cult" despite the fact that it's established science human-caused climate change is happening,

This is not a fact in evidence. I should not have to keep repeating that climate changes naturally and is variable but here I am again having to repeat it.

and that the vast majority of scientists are not claiming "the world's going to end!" due to climate change.

The “scientists” are claiming we are living through an existential threat of climate breakdown, tipping points and other boogeymen. It is male bovine excrement and is a religion for you.

All depends on the context of the word existential.

Climate change is a threat to the modern human existence as it is. Economies based on mass consumption of goods and services not necessary for basic survival,. Essentially decadence on an unprecedented grand global scale.

Food and water supplies are being affects as we speak.

I don't think anyone is predicting the end of human civilization. Historically civilizations in Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Americas came and went. Usually in part due to over consumption of resources.

The Brits exhausted their wood supplies. The American colonies became a source for wood. There us ltttle old growth timber in the USA.

In some cases it is believed water and soil pollution may have played a part.

Using hyperbole is not your r case against climate science.

Back o the basic question, do you sweatband the atmosphere acts like a greenhouse moderating surface temperature?