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What bills? A month or two of oil production will take care of that.
How should west respond to potential (likely) U.S. invasion of Venezuela?
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Shadowy Man
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There's no need for the US to invade. They just showed whoever the next President will be that if he/she doesn't do what Trump wants they can easily be disappeared.
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It sounds like Donald Trump privatized Venezuelan oil for US corporations.
...well, he had at least tried to. This is very disturbing! Maduro was a despotic bum. But this seems like a warning globally, the US will seize what it thinks it has a right to.
Jebus, if Putin had done this...article said:
...well, he had at least tried to. This is very disturbing! Maduro was a despotic bum. But this seems like a warning globally, the US will seize what it thinks it has a right to.
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I stopped watching during Petey's little act of Trump worship. Our chief exec stood behind him, visibly trying to keep his eyes open. They would close for a good long moment, then he'd force himself to open them wide. This man will not be in office by January '27. Xi is going to figure this is the year to grab Taiwan. Putin has no fears at all in continuing to bomb the living hell out of Ukraine.
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So US special forces are apparently able to seize people from a foreign capital, but not to do the same from Washington. This tells everyone all they need to know; the US military do not keep their oath to the Constitution, but like the Wehrmacht their loyalty is to the leader.
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Maduro is initially being charged with a dozen counts of aggravated not being the Epstein files. Further charges may follow, if they can find anything he's done that is even close to being as illegal as all the stuff Trump has done.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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The Trump war of aggression and plunder isn't over just because one leader has been removed. The majority of persons in charge and in their national assembly are left-wing, not right-wing. That is the aftermath political infrastructure. So, what next does Hair Furor have up his sleeve?
He must have some confidence in installing a right-wing dictator or even someone on the left who will do whatever he says. The former choice of a dictator would be necessary because they'd have to go against the democratic majority. The latter choice would also be tricky because they'd be trying to negotiate terms. If it is only about the oil, that can be negotiated.
I think his recent language is a clue:
www.mediaite.com
It sounds like possibly he has already aligned with someone who is willing to cave on the oil. Whoever that someone is probably even opened the doors up to help capture Maduro.
He must have some confidence in installing a right-wing dictator or even someone on the left who will do whatever he says. The former choice of a dictator would be necessary because they'd have to go against the democratic majority. The latter choice would also be tricky because they'd be trying to negotiate terms. If it is only about the oil, that can be negotiated.
I think his recent language is a clue:
Trump Torpedoes Nobel Winner At Presser — Says She ‘Doesn’t Have Respect’ To Run Her Country After She Gushed About Him
Trump torpedoed the idea that María Corina Machado could assume leadership in Venezuela, saying she "doesn't have respect" in her country.
www.mediaite.com
It sounds like possibly he has already aligned with someone who is willing to cave on the oil. Whoever that someone is probably even opened the doors up to help capture Maduro.
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Your post errs on the assumption that Trump has a plan at all.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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Sorry, whoever is handling him....
On the other hand, if there is no plan at all, this will be an even worse shit show.
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When asked how were Americans being protected in Venezuela, he said they wouldn't be attacked. No one would attack them.
This town drunk was handed the keys to the Rolls Royce while stumbling out of the bar.
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SLD
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Yeah. Duh. Exactly what serious commentators are saying.Will this action encourage China to seize Taiwan? As a Quid Pro Quid?Bush sent 24,000 troops to Panama to grab Noriega, who was prosecuted for the same things. I guess numb nuts gets credit for being more surgical.I think you meant Jesus F Christ. There is no way this will have a happy ending. The no wars president seems to enjoy starting wars. But, what can we expect from a demented maniac!I see your “Holy crap!!!” and raise you a Jesus H Christ!Holy crap!!!
Rubio says US not at war with Venezuela, as Maduro set to appear in New York court on Monday
The secretary of state says the US will retain "multiple levers of leverage" if Venezuela's leaders don't "make the right decisions".www.bbc.com
But if he moves to take over the oil supply, most of which goes to China, that’s when it will get interesting.
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barbos
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Putin invaded Norway already?
When?
DrZoidberg
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How the fuck can anyone with a functioning moral compass have any problem with Trump toppling Maduro?
Its a horrendous regime that went from Venezuela being South Americas wealthiest country to poorest, and the regime is doing nothing to fix it. Nor seems to have the will.
Colombia is full of young Venezuelan women working as prostitutes out of desperation.
Just removing the government and deregulating will immediately see a rise in standard of living. I can't imagine a scenario where USA manages to fuck it up. Venezuela is in such a bad shape that anything different will be an improvement.
Adios Maduro. We won't miss you
Its a horrendous regime that went from Venezuela being South Americas wealthiest country to poorest, and the regime is doing nothing to fix it. Nor seems to have the will.
Colombia is full of young Venezuelan women working as prostitutes out of desperation.
Just removing the government and deregulating will immediately see a rise in standard of living. I can't imagine a scenario where USA manages to fuck it up. Venezuela is in such a bad shape that anything different will be an improvement.
Adios Maduro. We won't miss you
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By noting that he had neither the authority nor the right to do so.
Had he gone in in support of a popular revolt, it might have been OK. But he went in in support if stealing someone else's oil, and distracting the US public from Epstein.
How the fuck can anyone with a functioning moral compass think that this is acceptable?
Doing something right, by accident, while comitting a crime, is not laudable.
barbos
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Riiiiight that was the reason for US involvement.
DrZoidberg
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The extreme suffering of the Venezuelan people isn't enough?
Wtf is wrong with you?
Maduro uses the little revenue (all oil) there is to pay for his terror state. Its way harder for a popular uprising to take place in a country rich in natural resources. Because the government can just pay for a terror machine
Sure. But the oil is being stolen now by Maduro. The Venezuelan can only stand to benefit from it.
Trump was chin deep in scandal before he got reelected. He still got reelected. Why would he care? He already knows he's bulletproof. And his dreams of being USA's dictator is not going to happen.
I think the Epstein explanation is stupid.
I think Trump is an insecure loser with a tiny penis who continually needs to do stuff to boost his fragile orange clown ego.
He's also unashamedly a greedy patriot who only sees to USA's immediate economic benefit. He's too dumb to understand the value of soft power. USA is the big boy and he uses its power as a bully to get stuff. But in the world of international trade, that can backfire. But Trump is Trump. I doubt he's smart enough to understand that.
I think that's a better explanation
I guess we're different. I like to respect human dignity. I dislike governments terrorising their own people. I think the rest of humanity (ie liberal democracies) have a duty to help them. I applaud USA being the first country making the move. I don't care what ulterior motive Trump has. This is the right thing to do.
Again, we disagree. I care more about outcome than intention.
The Maduro regime needs to go. We (Humanity) have given him plenty of chances to mend his ways. Bye bye Maduro. I hope Cuba is next
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