Well... it's Trump... again. #47, here we go.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

My first suspicion was that the pro-war party had finally gotten to him. It's a bi-partisan party, and it control a significant portion of the permanent government bureaucracy. Still, that doesn't fit very well because he lasted 5 years resisting them. The last time a president significantly resisted the pro-war party was Kennedy. Maybe they said the same thing to him. I simply don't know.

A better question, imo, would be: Why are you and some of his other supporters just seeing this now? What changed for you?

1. Who are you talking to?
2. If he suddenly started acting different (even if is from bad to different bad) then of course anyone (not just a Trump supporter) would see now that he is acting different now.

You. I’m talking to you.

Then why did you include me with Trump supporters?

The part in the quote above plus much of your posting history.

Genuinely, whether or not you support or did support Trump in the past, you seem to think he’s changed. Why? What has, in your opinion, changed?

I'd ask you to support your claim, but I know you neither can nor will. You'll just make vague references to "posting history" instead, and hope nobody notices.

So, I described his change in my first post on this particular conversation. He used to not be interested in deploying the military. Now he has deployed it to Venezuela and Iran. That is a change. Perhaps one that few would notice, since I seem to be in the minority that is against bombing poor brown people in foreign countries, but it is a change. (Of course since some of those poor brown people are women there is a chance you might be interested.)

I am not bringing up domestic policy, economic policy, or personality. I am specifically and only discussing the use of the military with regards to foreign policy. I am not bringing up mental state, emotional state, or health state. Only the use of the military with regards to foreign policy.

So ... given that he went from not being interested in deploying the military to deploying the military, there is a change. That's not an opinion, that's a verifiable fact.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I am not bringing up domestic policy, economic policy, or personality. I am specifically and only discussing the use of the military with regards to foreign policy. I am not bringing up mental state, emotional state, or health state. Only the use of the military with regards to foreign policy.

So ... given that he went from not being interested in deploying the military to deploying the military, there is a change. That's not an opinion, that's a verifiable fact.

There is no evidence he himself has changed in that sense. The change of significance is the guard around him not intervening in the stupid ideas other people have given him. Netanyahu, in the case of Iran.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Last time around he had an advisor named John Bolton. Now I think we can agree that Bolton likes war and thinks it is a good idea. He wasn't able to convince Trump to be more militaristic, and was booted out of the the administration.

Bolton is probably incredibly happy at the Iran war. It is something he always wanted.

So last time one of the people around him advocated for this stupid idea, but Trump shut it down. Now Trump is active on this stupid idea. That is a change.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Last time around he had an advisor named John Bolton. Now I think we can agree that Bolton likes war and thinks it is a good idea. He wasn't able to convince Trump to be more militaristic, and was booted out of the the administration.

Bolton is probably incredibly happy at the Iran war. It is something he always wanted.

So last time one of the people around him advocated for this stupid idea, but Trump shut it down.

Yes, Bolton is a hawk among hawks. However, did John Bolton, as NSA, actually suggest attacking Iran, killing the leader, to enforce a regime change?

 

[Toni]

My first suspicion was that the pro-war party had finally gotten to him. It's a bi-partisan party, and it control a significant portion of the permanent government bureaucracy. Still, that doesn't fit very well because he lasted 5 years resisting them. The last time a president significantly resisted the pro-war party was Kennedy. Maybe they said the same thing to him. I simply don't know.

A better question, imo, would be: Why are you and some of his other supporters just seeing this now? What changed for you?

1. Who are you talking to?
2. If he suddenly started acting different (even if is from bad to different bad) then of course anyone (not just a Trump supporter) would see now that he is acting different now.

You. I’m talking to you.

Then why did you include me with Trump supporters?

The part in the quote above plus much of your posting history.

Genuinely, whether or not you support or did support Trump in the past, you seem to think he’s changed. Why? What has, in your opinion, changed?

I'd ask you to support your claim, but I know you neither can nor will. You'll just make vague references to "posting history" instead, and hope nobody notices.

So, I described his change in my first post on this particular conversation. He used to not be interested in deploying the military. Now he has deployed it to Venezuela and Iran. That is a change. Perhaps one that few would notice, since I seem to be in the minority that is against bombing poor brown people in foreign countries, but it is a change. (Of course since some of those poor brown people are women there is a chance you might be interested.)

I am not bringing up domestic policy, economic policy, or personality. I am specifically and only discussing the use of the military with regards to foreign policy. I am not bringing up mental state, emotional state, or health state. Only the use of the military with regards to foreign policy.

So ... given that he went from not being interested in deploying the military to deploying the military, there is a change. That's not an opinion, that's a verifiable fact.

I did not go back and read all of your posts from the beginning, true. Also true I was responding to the post I quoted.

I think that everyone on this entire forum is horrified at the unwarranted nonsensical aggression towards Venezuela and Iran. It seems a lot of Trump supporters are upset at Trump’s militarism given that he billed himself as a peace president.

There is very little that Trump says publicly that I think is truthful nor are his promises kept, except those that threaten harm to others.

I believe his threats, not his promises. When he promised to be a dictator on Day 1, I believed that part. I did not believe it would only be Day 1. He certainly seems to be doing his best to be a dictator, showing aggressive ambitions to take Greenland! Attacking boats in the Caribbean! Abducting a head of state Abd his wife and taking millions of dollars he has stashed in some off shore account! Putting his own name and image on numerous buildings and now, currency! Destroying governmental
Agencies and the White House, all without any congressional oversight or approval! Attempting to take over US elections! Deploying a paramilitary force to US cities where US citizens are murdered for…existing! Suspension of due process for many people with brown skin, even Native Americans, green card holders and those here legally!

You see the military aggression as a change. I see both the aggression against people within our own borders as an escalation rather than a change. He does not intend to leave office.

IMO, his first cabinet was at least partially comprised of people who understood their legal and constitutional roles and respected the US Constitution. This time around he has only people with greed, ambition, ego and racism as their motivation —for anything. FFS, even TuckerCarlson is apologizing for supporting Trump,

You see his military actions as a change. I agree that he’s far, far worse than I had imagined he would be. I see his actions as escalation. I’m more than a little shocked and horrified that more people were not up in arms over the domestic stuff.

But I’m glad that people are finally waking up.

 

[laughing dog]

I am not bringing up domestic policy, economic policy, or personality. I am specifically and only discussing the use of the military with regards to foreign policy. I am not bringing up mental state, emotional state, or health state. Only the use of the military with regards to foreign policy.

So ... given that he went from not being interested in deploying the military to deploying the military, there is a change. That's not an opinion, that's a verifiable fact.

There is no evidence he himself has changed in that sense. The change of significance is the guard around him not intervening in the stupid ideas other people have given him. Netanyahu, in the case of Iran.

Exactly - the most of the guardrails on Trump are gone. The only change in Trump is that his mental faculties have vastly depreciated.

 

[bilby]

So, I described his change in my first post on this particular conversation. He used to not be interested in deploying the military.

No, he used to SAY that he was.

Now he has deployed it to Venezuela and Iran. That is a change.

The only change is that he decided he no longer needed to fool you and people like you.

Perhaps one that few would notice, since I seem to be in the minority that is against bombing poor brown people in foreign countries,

I think you would have to be crazy to think you are in a minority on that question.

but it is a change.

No, it's just evidence that he lied.

I can understand why you prefer to think that he changed, rather than to accept that he duped you. But he duped you.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So, I described his change in my first post on this particular conversation. He used to not be interested in deploying the military.

No, he used to SAY that he was.

Now he has deployed it to Venezuela and Iran. That is a change.

The only change is that he decided he no longer needed to fool you and people like you.

Perhaps one that few would notice, since I seem to be in the minority that is against bombing poor brown people in foreign countries,

I think you would have to be crazy to think you are in a minority on that question.

but it is a change.

No, it's just evidence that he lied.

I can understand why you prefer to think that he changed, rather than to accept that he duped you. But he duped you.

Quit projecting on to me.

 

[laughing dog]

So, I described his change in my first post on this particular conversation. He used to not be interested in deploying the military.

No, he used to SAY that he was.

Now he has deployed it to Venezuela and Iran. That is a change.

The only change is that he decided he no longer needed to fool you and people like you.

Perhaps one that few would notice, since I seem to be in the minority that is against bombing poor brown people in foreign countries,

I think you would have to be crazy to think you are in a minority on that question.

but it is a change.

No, it's just evidence that he lied.

I can understand why you prefer to think that he changed, rather than to accept that he duped you. But he duped you.

Quit projecting on to me.

It’s okay, no one is judging your gullibility in misjudging Trump.

 

[Jarhyn]

So, I described his change in my first post on this particular conversation. He used to not be interested in deploying the military.

No, he used to SAY that he was.

Now he has deployed it to Venezuela and Iran. That is a change.

The only change is that he decided he no longer needed to fool you and people like you.

Perhaps one that few would notice, since I seem to be in the minority that is against bombing poor brown people in foreign countries,

I think you would have to be crazy to think you are in a minority on that question.

but it is a change.

No, it's just evidence that he lied.

I can understand why you prefer to think that he changed, rather than to accept that he duped you. But he duped you.

Quit projecting on to me.

It’s okay, no one is judging your gullibility in misjudging Trump.

To be fair, I judge it for as long as the root behavior continues.

 

[blastula]

 

[blastula]

When ET lands, this will be who we take them to.

 

[laughing dog]

At least he keeps his pie hole closed.

 

[blastula]

 

[Bronzeage]

So, I described his change in my first post on this particular conversation. He used to not be interested in deploying the military.

No, he used to SAY that he was.

Now he has deployed it to Venezuela and Iran. That is a change.

The only change is that he decided he no longer needed to fool you and people like you.

Perhaps one that few would notice, since I seem to be in the minority that is against bombing poor brown people in foreign countries,

I think you would have to be crazy to think you are in a minority on that question.

but it is a change.

No, it's just evidence that he lied.

I can understand why you prefer to think that he changed, rather than to accept that he duped you. But he duped you.

The only thing that's changed about Trump is his decline has greatly affected his lifelong sense of cautious self preservation. This is the man who refused to use email because it left a metaphorical paper trail. Now he sends emails that cc: the world.

Trump's strategy has always been to say what he thinks the target audience wants to hear. Targets shift and the previous target demographic loses their investment in MAGA, much the way everyone else who invests real money in a Trump enterprise comes out on the short end. Along with the loss of self preservation, he's also lost his ability to remember or recognize his target audience.

Trump's second term has given him something he's never had before, which is relief from overhanging financial ruin. He was able to avoid the ordinary consequences of poor business judgment by feeding on the fortune he inherited. Now that he's discovered he can sell Presidential power to billionaires, he now has what could be technically his own money, not Daddy Fred's. His new billionaire constituency and the fact he'll never face another election, means he can abandon the MAGA faithful who wouldn't care if he murdered someone on Fifth Avenue, or the Caribbean Sea, or the Straits of Hormuz.

 

[Toni]

So, I described his change in my first post on this particular conversation. He used to not be interested in deploying the military.

No, he used to SAY that he was.

Now he has deployed it to Venezuela and Iran. That is a change.

The only change is that he decided he no longer needed to fool you and people like you.

Perhaps one that few would notice, since I seem to be in the minority that is against bombing poor brown people in foreign countries,

I think you would have to be crazy to think you are in a minority on that question.

but it is a change.

No, it's just evidence that he lied.

I can understand why you prefer to think that he changed, rather than to accept that he duped you. But he duped you.

Quit projecting on to me.

It’s okay, no one is judging your gullibility in misjudging Trump.

I’m just glad that more people are aware or admitting or speaking out about the atrocities Trump is committing.

 

[Elixir]

It’s okay, no one is judging your gullibility in misjudging Trump.

[raises hand]
I AM.
Some gullibility is unforgivable. Like clinging to the notion that Trump “changed” into a mendacious, avaricious senile twat overnight, in order to forgive one’s own acceptance of those traits because of willful failure to notice them prior to now.
The “misjudgment” continues, as does the blame-shifting.
I’m not sure who is left in the more embarrassing position - the trumpsucker or the “I’m not a trumpsucker”.
“Orange man bad” isn’t just a trope.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Is anybody else thinking, "Just let your head clonk on the table, dude!!"
Because it needs to happen. Then let Leavitt talk your way out of it. I can hear her: "Isn't it refreshing to have a President who takes a brief respite from the pressures of his office, when he needs it? We could all benefit from this President's health knowledge and health habits."

 

[Elixir]

Is anybody else thinking, "Just let your head clonk on the table, dude!!"
Because it needs to happen. Then let Leavitt talk your way out of it. I can hear her: "Isn't it refreshing to have a President who takes a brief respite from the pressures of his office, when he needs it? We could all benefit from this President's health knowledge and health habits."

The best part will be the scene in Congress, with everyone on the right side of the aisle laying their empty noggins on the desks in solidarity.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So, I described his change in my first post on this particular conversation. He used to not be interested in deploying the military.

No, he used to SAY that he was.

Now he has deployed it to Venezuela and Iran. That is a change.

The only change is that he decided he no longer needed to fool you and people like you.

Perhaps one that few would notice, since I seem to be in the minority that is against bombing poor brown people in foreign countries,

I think you would have to be crazy to think you are in a minority on that question.

but it is a change.

No, it's just evidence that he lied.

I can understand why you prefer to think that he changed, rather than to accept that he duped you. But he duped you.

Quit projecting on to me.

It’s okay, no one is judging your gullibility in misjudging Trump.

Just because you voted for him doesn't mean anyone else here did.