Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Loren Pechtel]

Israel occupied the West Bank during the Six Day War, which saw three Arab nations try to invade Israel. Israel gave them a big spanking and took territory in order to ensure their right to exist. So why not hold Syria, Jordan, and Egypt equally responsible for the problems in the West Bank since they were the ones who invaded Israel, one of the consequences being the occupation of the West Bank?

Are you arguing that the slow and deliberate ethnic cleansing is the direct and only result forced upon Israel from the 1967 war started by Arabs? If so, I must say that breathtakingly idiotic.

You first need to prove ethnic cleansing before declaring it to exist.

Just admit you'd rather see Jews massacred by Muslim theocrats than hold those brutal theocrats responsible for their actions.

My maternal great grandparents who were Jews were killed by the nazis in Poland. I have Jewish grade school classmates living in Israel. Stop projecting your irrational hatred onto others.

I must admit that my assumption of your capability if a coherent connection between Hamas and the current situation in the West Bank was sadly misplaced.

Well, stop proposing solutions that amount to genocide of the Jews.

 

[laughing dog]

Israel occupied the West Bank during the Six Day War, which saw three Arab nations try to invade Israel. Israel gave them a big spanking and took territory in order to ensure their right to exist. So why not hold Syria, Jordan, and Egypt equally responsible for the problems in the West Bank since they were the ones who invaded Israel, one of the consequences being the occupation of the West Bank?

Are you arguing that the slow and deliberate ethnic cleansing is the direct and only result forced upon Israel from the 1967 war started by Arabs? If so, I must say that breathtakingly idiotic.

You first need to prove ethnic cleansing before declaring it to exist.

Logically, I don’t.

Ethnic cleansing is removing a particular group from an area. The expansion of official settlements and the unofficial expansion of settlements by settler violence under IDF protection are sufficient evidence to me.

Just admit you'd rather see Jews massacred by Muslim theocrats than hold those brutal theocrats responsible for their actions.

My maternal great grandparents who were Jews were killed by the nazis in Poland. I have Jewish grade school classmates living in Israel. Stop projecting your irrational hatred onto others.

I must admit that my assumption of your capability if a coherent connection between Hamas and the current situation in the West Bank was sadly misplaced.

Well, stop proposing solutions that amount to genocide of the Jews.

Even if I were proposing such solutions (which I deny), it doesn’t matter that not logically follow that I’d rather see Jews massacred than holding murderous theocrats accountable. So your suggestion is useless.

However, you have not substantiated your claim about my solutions. First, you need to provide an actual quote in context of one of my alleged “solutions”. Second, then you need to prove that this solution necessarily leads to the genocide of Israeli Jews.

Without that proof, your accusations are slanderous lies. Until that proof appears, please just of f.

 

[steve_bank]

Ethnic cleansing in the West Bank was documented by a UN report. Supported by video and reporting from the West Bank.

Israel has long been condemning Palestinian land, bulldogging it, and issuing building permission to Jews.

Some time back Israel seized farmland in Gaza on the birder. When questioned Netanyahu said it was just a small piece of land.

Netanyahu has aid publicly what was Israel 2000 years ago Jews have a god given right to today.

That is Zionism.

When Israel prevailed in the first war Arabs outside the self declared boundary were not permuted to return and lost their land without compensation. Jews got primer farm and industrial land for free.

I don;t think there has been any agreement on borders, so wherever Israel says is the border of Israel is the border of Israel.

If Palestinians had a state recognized internationally, they would have standing to sue Israel for damages.

 

[Arctish]

In the West Bank, Israeli settlers take over Palestinian's dream home

JALUD, West Bank, July 3 (Reuters) - Palestinian Mohammad Salameh was building a home for his family in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, where his recently engaged son was meant to start married life. Instead, before construction was complete, a ‌group of Israeli settlers seized the property.
Video filmed earlier in the week and verified by Reuters showed at least six settlers moving around on the roof of the two-storey house, which sits below a nearby hill.

Salameh said appeals to the Israeli military and police brought no help. Now he fears his home, which like many others in the Palestinian territory is surrounded by Israeli settlements and smaller outposts, is lost forever. Other houses in the area could suffer the same fate, he said.
"Only God knows, if there is law and order then they will leave," Salameh said. "If they succeeded with taking ⁠one, then the rest will follow."
Reuters was unable to reach the settlers for comment. One of them could be seen walking on the house's roof on Thursday.

The Israeli military said it received a report regarding the house earlier this week and that "soldiers arrived to the area and quickly acted to disperse the gathering". It did not comment on the settlers' continued presence in the house.

Blatant theft with assistance from the IDF. They're not even trying to hide it anymore.

Last time you posted one of these the article said "privately owned" about the land, but didn't specify the owner. This time it doesn't even say that much.

When you see things like this keep in mind a standard Palestinian tactic is to build things on land they don't own, then cry to the reporters when the inevitable happens.

When I see responses like ^this I keep in mind that I do far more to back up my claims and provide sources than you ever do.

Post links to your sources, Loren.

Show us who really owns that house in the West Bank in the Reuters article I showed you.

Don't just dream up bullshit excuses about "standard Palestinian tactics". Show us how a Palestinian building a house in the West Bank involves Israelis.

And what is this "inevitable" that happens? I hope you don't mean Jews will inevitably steal it, because that pretty fracking racist of you to even think it.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Ethnic cleansing in the West Bank was documented by a UN report. Supported by video and reporting from the West Bank.

Israel has long been condemning Palestinian land, bulldogging it, and issuing building permission to Jews.

Some time back Israel seized farmland in Gaza on the birder. When questioned Netanyahu said it was just a small piece of land.

Netanyahu has aid publicly what was Israel 2000 years ago Jews have a god given right to today.

That is Zionism.

When Israel prevailed in the first war Arabs outside the self declared boundary were not permuted to return and lost their land without compensation. Jews got primer farm and industrial land for free.

I don;t think there has been any agreement on borders, so wherever Israel says is the border of Israel is the border of Israel.

If Palestinians had a state recognized internationally, they would have standing to sue Israel for damages.

I'm not sure if the Palestinians will ever have their own state. At best, October 7 pushed this possibility out at least 25 years. At the end of the day, Israeli right wingers don't want it because it would stop them from fulfilling biblical prophecy. Palestinian wackos (Hamas) don't want it because they won't give up "right of return". There will never be a Palestinian state until there is a long period of peace; and there are governments in charge of both Israel and Gaza and the West Bank who want peace. The odds of this are very very low.

 

[steve_bank]

I doubt Israel would have ever allowed it.

Gaza for all practical purposes has been destroyed.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

How is tearing up roads and water lines in the West Bank helping?

It’s helping the long term ethnic cleansing goal of the hardline Zionists, racists, and their enablers in the West.

I'd say I love the hypocrisy and empty-headed reversal of the stated policies and actions of Hamas that anti-semites use to justify their wish for yet another attempt to exterminate Israel and therefore the Jews, but I need to replace "love" with "loathe" and work in the word "disgusting."

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is rightfully seen as abhorrent, but when oppressive theocracies massacre another nation's civilians under the direction of the government of an Islamic-fascist nation, well, "Free Palestine!" This also leads to condoning Iran's actions and influence by proxy.

On U.S. campuses across the nation, Jewish students have been threatened and terrorized to the point that many feel the need to hide their Jewish identity. But that's fine because... well hell, I don't know.

I've listed the following several times, but I'll do so again:

Women's rights.
LGBTQ rights.
Freedom of speech
Freedom of and from religion

I could list more, but I think that's adequate. The clear observation here is that Hamas will arrest, torture, and murder people for the above. Israel won't. The atrocities and aggression committed by Palestine's government are well documented yet it's all not just condoned, but supported by influential people in our universities. The DNC is complicit by not exorcising those who, like you, support the killing and hatred for Jews.

"From the River to the Sea!"

Do you have any idea what that sentiment means, particularly when it comes from Hamas?

Perhaps if you could link your response to the West Bank (which is not under the control of Hamas), it would appear less than a mindless diatribe.

Oh. Good to know that Muslim violence has never come from the West Bank issue. I'd say "nice try" but it's not nice and not worthy of the word "try."

It seems you are tying Hamas’s behaviour to Israeli actions in the West Bank. What evidence do you have?

And even if that is the case, are you tacitly arguing that is the reason for Israel’s actions in the West Bank?

I am trying to elicit a coherent connection about a diatribe about Hamas that quoted a post about the West Bank. The assumption on my part that you are capable of a coherent response is a polite compliment.

Israel occupied the West Bank during the Six Day War, which saw three Arab nations try to invade Israel. Israel gave them a big spanking and took territory in order to ensure their right to exist. So why not hold Syria, Jordan, and Egypt equally responsible for the problems in the West Bank since they were the ones who invaded Israel, one of the consequences being the occupation of the West Bank?

Are you arguing that the slow and deliberate ethnic cleansing is the direct and only result forced upon Israel from the 1967 war started by Arabs? If so, I must say that breathtakingly idiotic.

Just admit you'd rather see Jews massacred by Muslim theocrats than hold those brutal theocrats responsible for their actions.

My maternal great grandparents who were Jews were killed by the nazis in Poland. I have Jewish grade school classmates living in Israel. Stop projecting your irrational hatred onto others.

I must admit that my assumption of your capability if a coherent connection between Hamas and the current situation in the West Bank was sadly misplaced.

"Ethnic Cleansing."

Okay, I'm done with you.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Israel occupied the West Bank during the Six Day War, which saw three Arab nations try to invade Israel. Israel gave them a big spanking and took territory in order to ensure their right to exist. So why not hold Syria, Jordan, and Egypt equally responsible for the problems in the West Bank since they were the ones who invaded Israel, one of the consequences being the occupation of the West Bank?

Are you arguing that the slow and deliberate ethnic cleansing is the direct and only result forced upon Israel from the 1967 war started by Arabs? If so, I must say that breathtakingly idiotic.

You first need to prove ethnic cleansing before declaring it to exist.

Just admit you'd rather see Jews massacred by Muslim theocrats than hold those brutal theocrats responsible for their actions.

My maternal great grandparents who were Jews were killed by the nazis in Poland. I have Jewish grade school classmates living in Israel. Stop projecting your irrational hatred onto others.

I must admit that my assumption of your capability if a coherent connection between Hamas and the current situation in the West Bank was sadly misplaced.

Well, stop proposing solutions that amount to genocide of the Jews.

You're arguing with someone who is arguing with you in bad faith.

No matter what factual, historical, or statistical response you give, you're going to get a non-answer, bullshit obfuscation, or a flat out lie. It's what Trumpites do; something along the lines of "I don't want to see anyone lose their rights, but Christianity should be our official religion."

 

[ZiprHead]

Israel occupied the West Bank during the Six Day War, which saw three Arab nations try to invade Israel. Israel gave them a big spanking and took territory in order to ensure their right to exist. So why not hold Syria, Jordan, and Egypt equally responsible for the problems in the West Bank since they were the ones who invaded Israel, one of the consequences being the occupation of the West Bank?

Are you arguing that the slow and deliberate ethnic cleansing is the direct and only result forced upon Israel from the 1967 war started by Arabs? If so, I must say that breathtakingly idiotic.

You first need to prove ethnic cleansing before declaring it to exist.

Just admit you'd rather see Jews massacred by Muslim theocrats than hold those brutal theocrats responsible for their actions.

My maternal great grandparents who were Jews were killed by the nazis in Poland. I have Jewish grade school classmates living in Israel. Stop projecting your irrational hatred onto others.

I must admit that my assumption of your capability if a coherent connection between Hamas and the current situation in the West Bank was sadly misplaced.

Well, stop proposing solutions that amount to genocide of the Jews.

You're arguing with someone who is arguing with you in bad faith.

No matter what factual, historical, or statistical response you give, you're going to get a non-answer, bullshit obfuscation, or a flat out lie. It's what Trumpites do; something along the lines of "I don't want to see anyone lose their rights, but Christianity should be our official religion."

Wow!!! You are waaaaay off. If that's what you see no wonder you see anti semitism everywhere. [Removed]

 

[laughing dog]

Israel occupied the West Bank during the Six Day War, which saw three Arab nations try to invade Israel. Israel gave them a big spanking and took territory in order to ensure their right to exist. So why not hold Syria, Jordan, and Egypt equally responsible for the problems in the West Bank since they were the ones who invaded Israel, one of the consequences being the occupation of the West Bank?

Are you arguing that the slow and deliberate ethnic cleansing is the direct and only result forced upon Israel from the 1967 war started by Arabs? If so, I must say that breathtakingly idiotic.

You first need to prove ethnic cleansing before declaring it to exist.

Just admit you'd rather see Jews massacred by Muslim theocrats than hold those brutal theocrats responsible for their actions.

My maternal great grandparents who were Jews were killed by the nazis in Poland. I have Jewish grade school classmates living in Israel. Stop projecting your irrational hatred onto others.

I must admit that my assumption of your capability if a coherent connection between Hamas and the current situation in the West Bank was sadly misplaced.

Well, stop proposing solutions that amount to genocide of the Jews.

You're arguing with someone who is arguing with you in bad faith.

No matter what factual, historical, or statistical response you give, you're going to get a non-answer, bullshit obfuscation, or a flat out lie. It's what Trumpites do; something along the lines of "I don't want to see anyone lose their rights, but Christianity should be our official religion."

The irony, irrationality, and hate is strong in this one.

 

[laughing dog]

"Ethnic Cleansing."

Okay, I'm done with you.

Why not rebut my observation. Preferably without flinging incoherent indignation and slanderous accusations. I know you van do it - your response proves it.

 

[steve_bank]

sanders
..and took territory in order to ensure their right to exist.

Exactly. Along with Hitler, emperor of Japan and Tojo, Mussolini, Stalin, Putin.

And unfortunately our Trump on Greenland.

The question is why Arabs wen to war with Israel.

Could it possibly be the land Jews took from Arabs? Oh wait, they already owned it 2000 years ago. They have a right to it.

Israel did humiliate the Arabs.

I forget which war. An officer leading a Syrian armored column did not realize he had an open run into central Israel and hesitated. If not it might have been the end of Israel.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

sanders
..and took territory in order to ensure their right to exist.

Exactly. Along with Hitler, emperor of Japan and Tojo, Mussolini, Stalin, Putin.

And unfortunately our Trump on Greenland.

The question is why Arabs wen to war with Israel.

Could it possibly be the land Jews took from Arabs? Oh wait, they already owned it 2000 years ago. They have a right to it.

Israel did humiliate the Arabs.

I forget which war. An officer leading a Syrian armored column did not realize he had an open run into central Israel and hesitated. If not it might have been the end of Israel.

Seriously?

Israel is comparable to Hitler and Tojo?

Then you go on to try and justify Hamas' desire to exterminate an entire group of people because of their ethnicity?

The land compromising modern Israel did not belong solely to Arab people. An Arab majority did live there prior to 1948, however. But this is the justification you use to support theocratic terrorism? Nearly 80 years later, it's okay to support yet another wished-for genocide of the Jews because ... ?

Egypt and Jordan made peace with Israel. Arabs make up 20% of the population of Israel. Israel is a liberal democracy that has the right and obvious need to defend itself.

All these "Free Palestine!" empty buckets seem to think that Hamas and its ilk will make peace with Israel if their demands are met, which is delusional. There's a reason Egypt and Jordan won't take Palestinian refugees. They don't want the strife that will come with the radical seeds planted within the influx.

 

[Tigers!]

I'm not sure if the Palestinians will ever have their own state. At best, October 7 pushed this possibility out at least 25 years. At the end of the day, Israeli right wingers don't want it because it would stop them from fulfilling biblical prophecy.

Israeli moderates have finally realised Hamas cannot be trusted, ever. It is a death cult.

Palestinian wackos (Hamas) don't want it because they won't give up "right of return" no Israel or Jews in the ME.

FIFY

There will never be a Palestinian state until there is a long period of peace; and there are governments in charge of both Israel and Gaza and the West Bank who want peace. The odds of this are very very low.

The odds are very, very low. That is the tragedy.

 

[robnisch]

I'm not sure if the Palestinians will ever have their own state. At best, October 7 pushed this possibility out at least 25 years. At the end of the day, Israeli right wingers don't want it because it would stop them from fulfilling biblical prophecy.

Israeli moderates have finally realised Hamas cannot be trusted, ever. It is a death cult.

Palestinian wackos (Hamas) don't want it because they won't give up "right of return" no Israel or Jews in the ME.

FIFY

There will never be a Palestinian state until there is a long period of peace; and there are governments in charge of both Israel and Gaza and the West Bank who want peace. The odds of this are very very low.

The odds are very, very low. That is the tragedy.

All Abrahamic religions are DEATH CULTS!!

 

[steve_bank]

Netanyahu and the conservative Zionists behind him are uprising the same old justification. Halter Tojo, Putin, Stalin, et al.

1. Divine right,
2. Might makes right.
3. We need resources.
4, We need land.
5. Settling historical grievances.
6. Personal glory.

Israel began a nuclear program soon after things stetted down. They were militaristic form the start and aggressive. They Joined Europeans inn the Suez war.

Modern Israel has ever been an innocent victim.


The modern conflict began with Jews taking Arab land.

I do not think Israel is a liberal democracy in the sense of western systems and rights. Palestinians have long been jailed without legal rights. They disappear.

 

[steve_bank]

Jewish factions were fighting each other and the Brits. To the Brits they were terrorists. Jews opposed the Brits as Hamas opposes Israel.

Jews ran an arms emerge and set up arms manufacturing,

Saw this on a documentary.

Ayalon Institute - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Ayalon Institute (Hebrew: מכון איילון, romanized: Makhon Ayalon) was an underground ammunition factory, located on Kibbutz Hill in Rehovot, Israel, disguised as a kibbutz that ran a laundry service. The factory was established in 1945 and manufactured ammunition until 1948; today it is a museum and national historical site. It was "secretly created in less than a month, 8 meters (25 feet) underground and was run by the Haganah".[1]

Cartridge factory

In the 1930s, Zionist leaders in then (British) Mandatory Palestine determined that they were going to need weapons to defend themselves and to fight for their independence. Plans to smuggle weapons and establish clandestine arms factories were developed and implemented. The Sten submachine gun, the personal weapon of the Palmach, was relatively easy to build clandestinely, but the Haganah had difficulty obtaining the 9 mm cartridges needed for the weapons.[3]

AI Overview
The Jewish community in Mandatory Palestine (), known as the Yishuv, split into three main political and paramilitary factions: Labour Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, and the Haredi/Orthodox non-Zionist faction. These groups competed for control over governance, immigration strategy, and resistance against the British administration.

Main Political Factions
Labour Zionism (Mapai): Led by figures like David Ben-Gurion, this socialist-leaning majority faction controlled the Jewish Agency and the Histadrut labor federation. They favored gradual state-building, economic self-sufficiency, and pragmatic cooperation with British authorities when possible.

Revisionist Zionism: Founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky, this nationalist minority faction demanded an immediate Jewish state on both sides of the Jordan River. They rejected Labour's gradualism, pushed for mass immigration, and advocated a militant posture against Arab opposition and British restrictions.

Orthodox / Non-Zionist Factions: Traditionalist religious groups, represented by parties like Agudat Israel, initially focused on preserving strict religious life. They stayed outside secular Zionist governing institutions and preferred quiet diplomacy over political nationalism.

Paramilitary Factions
Haganah: The official, underground defense force of the mainstream Labour leadership. They focused on protecting Jewish settlements and managing "illegal" immigration, only turning to anti-British armed resistance after World War II.

Irgun (IZL): A splinter paramilitary group aligned with Revisionist ideology. They launched direct guerrilla and terrorist attacks against British military and administrative targets during the Jewish Insurgency.

Lehi (Stern Gang): A radical, ultra-nationalist splinter group that broke from the Irgun. They carried out targeted assassinations of British officials, believing absolute armed struggle was required to evict Britain.

Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mandatory Palestine, officially known as Palestine,[a][6] was a British administrative territory between 1920 and 1948 in the region of Palestine. From 1922, under the terms of the League of Nations, it was a mandated territory, administered by the British under the Mandate for Palestine.[7] The British High Commissioner under the Colonial Office led Mandatory Palestine.

 

[Tigers!]

Jewish factions were fighting each other and the Brits. To the Brits they were terrorists. Jews opposed the Brits as Hamas opposes Israel.

Jews ran an arms emerge and set up arms manufacturing,

Saw this on a documentary.

Ayalon Institute - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Ayalon Institute (Hebrew: מכון איילון, romanized: Makhon Ayalon) was an underground ammunition factory, located on Kibbutz Hill in Rehovot, Israel, disguised as a kibbutz that ran a laundry service. The factory was established in 1945 and manufactured ammunition until 1948; today it is a museum and national historical site. It was "secretly created in less than a month, 8 meters (25 feet) underground and was run by the Haganah".[1]

Cartridge factory

In the 1930s, Zionist leaders in then (British) Mandatory Palestine determined that they were going to need weapons to defend themselves and to fight for their independence. Plans to smuggle weapons and establish clandestine arms factories were developed and implemented. The Sten submachine gun, the personal weapon of the Palmach, was relatively easy to build clandestinely, but the Haganah had difficulty obtaining the 9 mm cartridges needed for the weapons.[3]

I remember reading somewhere that someone in Israel discovered that lipstick containers fitted into the Sten chamber. They then ordered 10000s of empty lipsticks from France.

 

[Emily Lake]

How do you stop the one who is hitting you?

Apparently you admit the you’re the colonizer, and acknowledge that it’s your fault for making them hit you. The punch-thrower is the real victim here.

 

[steve_bank]

Rep. Ro Khanna says he was detained by Israeli settlers during West Bank visit

Asked after his release whether he was running for president, Khanna said: “I’m strongly considering it, and I’m more resolved to consider it after this trip.”

www.nbcnews.com

TURMUS AYYA, West Bank — Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., said he was detained by Israeli settlers armed with U.S.-made rifles during a West Bank visit this week that he cast as an unfiltered look at the human toll of Israeli occupation as he weighs a 2028 presidential run.

“We were at a village that Israeli settlers had destroyed, they had destroyed the school, they had destroyed that village, and we were just looking at it,” he said.

And these hoodlums come in with machine guns – M4, an American-made machine gun – and they detain us. They block off the road. And then they ⁠call the IDF and the IDF is on their side, not on the side of the ⁠Americans,” Khanna said, referring to the Israel Defense Forces.