Police officers give kid a beatdown for having a fake ID

[Loren Pechtel]

Unless you go after the customers you can't stomp out the problem.

Pretty much wrong.The burden is on the sellerl.This incident was handled very poorly.Even if I sell to a minor,no arrests are made.I get a citation and must go to court.
A beat down is so over the top.

You're simply assuming a beatdown. We have no evidence of it.

 

[bilby]

And when they did so, they found out that she was carrying a case of sparkling water, not beer, costing the Commonwealth of Virginia $200,000. Fuckwits. After that incident, the head of the agency promised to outfit all officers with body cameras. A year later, nothing.

According to Johnson's lawyer, he showed a valid ID, but it had a zip code from his family's previous residence, and he gave the zip code of their current address. After he was turned away, ABC cops moved in.

The UVA president has also stated that she asked for ABC help to shut down the establishments that sell to under-age students. Instead, they've fixated on the students themselves. Brilliant.

Unless you go after the customers you can't stomp out the problem.

Why is the problem considered large enough to warrant 'stomping' at all?

A disproportionate response to a minor transgression is the hallmark of a totalitarian dictatorship.

If the only available cure is worse than the disease, then let the disease run its course. Not every breach of every law needs to be met with zero tolerance. This is particularly true in the 'grey areas' of the law - things that are perfectly lawful in other jurisdictions with no clear resultant harm to society should be enforced gently, if at all. A 20 year old buying a beer is an excellent example of the sort of thing that any civilised society should tolerate.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

And when they did so, they found out that she was carrying a case of sparkling water, not beer, costing the Commonwealth of Virginia $200,000. Fuckwits. After that incident, the head of the agency promised to outfit all officers with body cameras. A year later, nothing.

According to Johnson's lawyer, he showed a valid ID, but it had a zip code from his family's previous residence, and he gave the zip code of their current address. After he was turned away, ABC cops moved in.

The UVA president has also stated that she asked for ABC help to shut down the establishments that sell to under-age students. Instead, they've fixated on the students themselves. Brilliant.

Unless you go after the customers you can't stomp out the problem.

Right, let's fill the prisons with kids using fake ID's, too. Don't forget to give them a wood shampoo on the way.

 

[laughing dog]

Pretty much wrong.The burden is on the sellerl.This incident was handled very poorly.Even if I sell to a minor,no arrests are made.I get a citation and must go to court.
A beat down is so over the top.

You're simply assuming a beatdown. We have no evidence of it.

Yes there is evidence of it. As others have pointed out, you accepted such evidence that George Zimmerman was beaten.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You're simply assuming a beatdown. We have no evidence of it.

Yes there is evidence of it. As others have pointed out, you accepted such evidence that George Zimmerman was beaten.

This guy got hurt. That's not the same thing as being beaten.

 

[laughing dog]

Yes there is evidence of it. As others have pointed out, you accepted such evidence that George Zimmerman was beaten.

This guy got hurt. That's not the same thing as being beaten.

Try to focus. It is evidence of a beatdown, even if you do not think it is conclusive. Although you did think so with George Zimmerman.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This guy got hurt. That's not the same thing as being beaten.

Try to focus. It is evidence of a beatdown, even if you do not think it is conclusive. Although you did think so with George Zimmerman.

In this case he had done something that made it legal for the cops to use force on him. Thus injury from force is not evidence of wrongdoing, you need to use excessive force.

In the Zimmerman case there was no legal basis for initiating force--thus any injury is relevant.

 

[ksen]

stand your ground made it legal for trayvon to defend himself

 

[laughing dog]

Try to focus. It is evidence of a beatdown, even if you do not think it is conclusive. Although you did think so with George Zimmerman.

In this case he had done something that made it legal for the cops to use force on him.

You assume facts not in evidence.

Thus injury from force is not evidence of wrongdoing, you need to use excessive force.

A beatdown is a beatdown, regardless of who initiates it or who receives it.

In the Zimmerman case there was no legal basis for initiating force--thus any injury is relevant.

A beatdown is a beatdown regardless of the legal basis for initiating force. Consequently, your entire response is literally pointless.

 

[Derec]

Anyone watch Scandal and can tell me what he is on about?

I guess nobody on here watches Scandal. Too bad - it would be interesting to know what the hell he was on about.

 

[Mumbles]

Anyone watch Scandal and can tell me what he is on about?

I guess nobody on here watches Scandal. Too bad - it would be interesting to know what the hell he was on about.

Basically, the main character prevented another Ferguson from occurring in DC, and took the parents of the dead kid to the White House. I don't watch, but my Twitter Timeline explodes every time is comes on.

 

[Malintent]

In these post desegregation times, has there been a narrowing of how likely white males react to similar arrests--specifically the beginning stages of such arrests compared to how black males react?

There is definitely a difference between how most black males respond to cops than how everyone else seems to. In their minds, it seems everything is racist against them and that they have some entitlement to be racist "first". Proactive racism in the face of certain discrimination, or something like that. That is based on about 40 years of living as a white minority in NY. I see the attitude differences every day.

All this talk of how white cops are assassinating black perps... maybe black males should be revaluating how they engage cops... based on my observation on how black people engage white strangers on the subway and sidewalk of NYC, I am not at all surprised that they are creating a dangerous dynamic for themselves.

 

[Underseer]

They didn't murder the teenager despite the fact that he was unarmed, so perhaps this is a sign that the police are becoming less Gestapo-like?

 

[Malintent]

And when they did so, they found out that she was carrying a case of sparkling water, not beer, costing the Commonwealth of Virginia $200,000. Fuckwits. After that incident, the head of the agency promised to outfit all officers with body cameras. A year later, nothing.

According to Johnson's lawyer, he showed a valid ID, but it had a zip code from his family's previous residence, and he gave the zip code of their current address. After he was turned away, ABC cops moved in.

The UVA president has also stated that she asked for ABC help to shut down the establishments that sell to under-age students. Instead, they've fixated on the students themselves. Brilliant.

Unless you go after the customers you can't stomp out the problem.

This has been proven false (dangerously false) with the historic prohibition of alcohol, prostitution, and drugs.
How many times does something have to be wrong before it is eliminated from one's repertoire?

 

[Malintent]

did anyone else notice that his ID was not fake??? half the posts on this thread can be ignored... The ID had his correct birthday (indicating he was only 20 years old), and he WAS NOT DRINKING, as a breathalyzer indicated.

It was a "bad stop", but we have no idea how the situation escalated. Either the person trained to deal with these situation completely fucked up or the person who comes from an anti-white, anti-cop culture escalated... no way to tell unless you were there. I've made my assumptions on the available information (that I read, unlike 50% of the posters in this thread).

 

[J842P]

Unless you go after the customers you can't stomp out the problem.

Why is the problem considered large enough to warrant 'stomping' at all?

A disproportionate response to a minor transgression is the hallmark of a totalitarian dictatorship.

If the only available cure is worse than the disease, then let the disease run its course. Not every breach of every law needs to be met with zero tolerance. This is particularly true in the 'grey areas' of the law - things that are perfectly lawful in other jurisdictions with no clear resultant harm to society should be enforced gently, if at all. A 20 year old buying a beer is an excellent example of the sort of thing that any civilised society should tolerate.

Well said.

 

[ksen]

did anyone else notice that his ID was not fake??? half the posts on this thread can be ignored... The ID had his correct birthday (indicating he was only 20 years old), and he WAS NOT DRINKING, as a breathalyzer indicated.

It was a "bad stop", but we have no idea how the situation escalated. Either the person trained to deal with these situation completely fucked up or the person who comes from an anti-white, anti-cop culture escalated... no way to tell unless you were there. I've made my assumptions on the available information (that I read, unlike 50% of the posters in this thread).

Which bits of "available information" suggests this kid was from an "anti-white, anti-cop culture?"

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Unless you go after the customers you can't stomp out the problem.

This has been proven false (dangerously false) with the historic prohibition of alcohol, prostitution, and drugs.
How many times does something have to be wrong before it is eliminated from one's repertoire?

I didn't say that going after the customers would succeed in stamping out the problem, just that success is impossible if there is no risk to one side of the transaction.

- - - Updated - - -

did anyone else notice that his ID was not fake??? half the posts on this thread can be ignored... The ID had his correct birthday (indicating he was only 20 years old), and he WAS NOT DRINKING, as a breathalyzer indicated.

It was a "bad stop", but we have no idea how the situation escalated. Either the person trained to deal with these situation completely fucked up or the person who comes from an anti-white, anti-cop culture escalated... no way to tell unless you were there. I've made my assumptions on the available information (that I read, unlike 50% of the posters in this thread).

Then what was he doing trying to get into a 21-only place??

 

[Frikki]

This has been proven false (dangerously false) with the historic prohibition of alcohol, prostitution, and drugs.
How many times does something have to be wrong before it is eliminated from one's repertoire?

I didn't say that going after the customers would succeed in stamping out the problem, just that success is impossible if there is no risk to one side of the transaction.

- - - Updated - - -

did anyone else notice that his ID was not fake??? half the posts on this thread can be ignored... The ID had his correct birthday (indicating he was only 20 years old), and he WAS NOT DRINKING, as a breathalyzer indicated.

It was a "bad stop", but we have no idea how the situation escalated. Either the person trained to deal with these situation completely fucked up or the person who comes from an anti-white, anti-cop culture escalated... no way to tell unless you were there. I've made my assumptions on the available information (that I read, unlike 50% of the posters in this thread).

Then what was he doing trying to get into a 21-only place??

Oh my god a kid trying to get into an age restricted place!!!!! Get him!!!!

 

[bilby]

I didn't say that going after the customers would succeed in stamping out the problem, just that success is impossible if there is no risk to one side of the transaction.

- - - Updated - - -

did anyone else notice that his ID was not fake??? half the posts on this thread can be ignored... The ID had his correct birthday (indicating he was only 20 years old), and he WAS NOT DRINKING, as a breathalyzer indicated.

It was a "bad stop", but we have no idea how the situation escalated. Either the person trained to deal with these situation completely fucked up or the person who comes from an anti-white, anti-cop culture escalated... no way to tell unless you were there. I've made my assumptions on the available information (that I read, unlike 50% of the posters in this thread).

Then what was he doing trying to get into a 21-only place??

Oh my god a kid trying to get into an age restricted place!!!!! Get him!!!!

I say we blast off, and nuke the whole site from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.