California Doing California Things

[Politesse]

Before Tswizzle pops up with some crazy Dailymail version about woke terrorists shooting innocent feds, the ICE agent shot in Fresno wasn't on duty and the homeowner didn't know he was ICE. All she saw was a stone drunk but armed man passed out on her lawn at 3 am. She asked him to leave and he physically attacked her, knocking her to the ground. Her 70 year old dad intervened and the agent attacked him also, but it turned out Dad was a "good guy with a gun", and fired a single bullet into said agent's body. About that time the homeowners cop fiance arrived, having been called before the altercation began, and arrested the agent. No one but the agent was arrested, because no one aside from the agent had committed a crime.

In short, it's a classic home defense leading to self defense case, that politics has nothing to do with one way or the other, aside from the lingering question of why ICE officers are engaging in wantonly criminal behavior both on and off the clock.

 

[Elixir]

$10.8 million

Anyone know - what is $2.3 billion divided by $10.8 million?

 

[bilby]

Anyone know - what is $2.3 billion divided by $10.8 million?

212.962962…

Because the units are the same in both enumerator and denominator, the result is a unitless number.

 

[Elixir]

Anyone know - what is $2.3 billion divided by $10.8 million?

212.962962…

Because the units are the same in both enumerator and denominator, the result is a unitless number.

Close enough. Swiz worries about small stuff and ignores stuff done by people he voted for, even if it’s 200x as egregious.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Corrupt af

Gov. Gavin Newsom’s pet volunteer project — a program that brought tears to his eyes in March — has been flagged by federal auditors as having weak oversight of millions of dollars in grant money. A federal audit found ineffective oversight at California Volunteers and questioned $10.8 million in a nonprofit’s grant costs, raising accountability questions for Newsom and Josh Fryday, the governor’s “Chief Service Officer” who unsuccessfully ran for lieutenant governor this year. The report — commissioned by the AmeriCorps Office of Inspector General — found California Volunteers and three of seven organizations examined failed to comply with federal grant requirements. Auditors recommended recovering nearly $4.8 million in federal funding from CivicWell and disallowing another $6 million in matching contributions.

News

Wait... there is still oversight in DC? I thought DOGE got rid of that. Maybe after this investigation, they can check to see if receiving a 747 jet is a problem.

 

[Emily Lake]

Why would you want that? Is it slavery specifically that you support, or ending accountability generally?

Are you high?

Seriously, what is with your desire to punish people for things that other people did some hundred years ago? It's downright christian of you to visit the sins of the father upon the sons. Worse even, since there's extremely low likelihood that anyone working at these companies right now is descended from the company employees who benefited more than a century ago. So you're not even punishing the sons, you're just punishing a bunch of people because some other people in the past did something bad. It's nutty.

 

[Derec]

Anyone know - what is $2.3 billion divided by $10.8 million?

212.962962…

Because the units are the same in both enumerator and denominator, the result is a unitless number.

Weren't you complaining about spurious precision in another thread? It's really 2.1x10². Only two sig figs given Elixir's post.

 

[bilby]

Anyone know - what is $2.3 billion divided by $10.8 million?

212.962962…

Because the units are the same in both enumerator and denominator, the result is a unitless number.

Weren't you complaining about spurious precision in another thread? It's really 2.1x10². Only two sig figs given Elixir's post.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines".

- Ralph Waldo Emerson.

 

[Politesse]

Why would you want that? Is it slavery specifically that you support, or ending accountability generally?

Are you high?

Seriously, what is with your desire to punish people for things that other people did some hundred years ago? It's downright christian of you to visit the sins of the father upon the sons. Worse even, since there's extremely low likelihood that anyone working at these companies right now is descended from the company employees who benefited more than a century ago. So you're not even punishing the sons, you're just punishing a bunch of people because some other people in the past did something bad. It's nutty.

What "punishment"? Publishing facts is not a fucking punishment. Facts are facts. They exist whether you disseminate or suppress them. If you are afraid facts might make you think differently about the world, you should consider growing the fuck up and getting off the teat of government censorship. These people aren't your friends.

 

[Elixir]

Publishing facts is not a fucking punishment.

Sure the fuck is, if you’re a conservotard.

 

[thebeave]

Why would you want that? Is it slavery specifically that you support, or ending accountability generally?

Are you high?

Seriously, what is with your desire to punish people for things that other people did some hundred years ago? It's downright christian of you to visit the sins of the father upon the sons. Worse even, since there's extremely low likelihood that anyone working at these companies right now is descended from the company employees who benefited more than a century ago. So you're not even punishing the sons, you're just punishing a bunch of people because some other people in the past did something bad. It's nutty.

What "punishment"? Publishing facts is not a fucking punishment. Facts are facts. They exist whether you disseminate or suppress them. If you are afraid facts might make you think differently about the world, you should consider growing the fuck up and getting off the teat of government censorship. These people aren't your friends.

Its a really dumb idea. Yet another California business regulation being imposed that costs companies money and headaches to comply with and opens them up to shame, ridicule, boycotts and reparations from the "pitchfork and torches" crowd for things that went on over 150+ years ago, that they certainly don't support now in 2026. California ranks among the least business friendly states in the US (number 50, per this measure). This just gives companies yet another reason to say, "fuck this shit, let's move our facilities to a place where we're wanted and supported, not demonized". And with them goes jobs and tax money that CA needs.

 

[Politesse]

More imaginary "pitchforks and torches", I see. Have you ever tried living in reality for a few days? Just for a little vacation? Where the only pitchforks are in hay bales, and torches haven't been used in a century, and organizing a boycott of anything is a nightmare?

 

[thebeave]

More imaginary "pitchforks and torches", I see. Have you ever tried living in reality for a few days? Just for a little vacation? Where the only pitchforks are in hay bales, and torches haven't been used in a century, and organizing a boycott of anything is a nightmare?

I knew that would get a rise out of you. You rarely disappoint.

What about the meat of my comment? Anything to say about that?

 

[Politesse]

More imaginary "pitchforks and torches", I see. Have you ever tried living in reality for a few days? Just for a little vacation? Where the only pitchforks are in hay bales, and torches haven't been used in a century, and organizing a boycott of anything is a nightmare?

I knew that would get a rise out of you. You rarely disappoint.

What about the meat of my comment? Anything to say about that?

Your comment is based on the premise of a fantasy scenario in which this law has serious business repercussions, because after this report is published citizens rise up with "pitchforks and torches" to demand retributive justice long delayed, from some of the most powerful corporations in the nation!!! In short, your argument is based on a complete delusion.

No corporation will leave California over this, or if they do, they are stupid as all fuck to abandon millions of dollars in profits over a weekend distraction that likely doesn't incur any cost to them at all. What, just because it offends their CEO for political reasons? That kind of reasoning drives businesses under. I don't think that will actually happen, but if it does, any business that voluntarily chooses not to do business in the nations most lucrative markets because they're squeamish about historical transparency deserves the lost profits that come from that voluntary self-punishment, and other, smarter companies will fill the gap. We will not be bereft of any products there is real demand for, nor the profit there from, that money will just go to people with common sense instead of hypothetical morons and we the citizens will still have new toasters or whatever.

 

[Elixir]

Why would you want that? Is it slavery specifically that you support, or ending accountability generally?

Are you high?

Seriously, what is with your desire to punish people for things that other people did some hundred years ago? It's downright christian of you to visit the sins of the father upon the sons. Worse even, since there's extremely low likelihood that anyone working at these companies right now is descended from the company employees who benefited more than a century ago. So you're not even punishing the sons, you're just punishing a bunch of people because some other people in the past did something bad. It's nutty.

What "punishment"? Publishing facts is not a fucking punishment. Facts are facts. They exist whether you disseminate or suppress them. If you are afraid facts might make you think differently about the world, you should consider growing the fuck up and getting off the teat of government censorship. These people aren't your friends.

Its a really dumb idea. Yet another California business regulation being imposed that costs companies money and headaches to comply with and opens them up to shame, ridicule, boycotts and reparations from the "pitchfork and torches" crowd for things that went on over 150+ years ago, that they certainly don't support now in 2026. California ranks among the least business friendly states in the US (number 50, per this measure). This just gives companies yet another reason to say, "fuck this shit, let's move our facilities to a place where we're wanted and supported, not demonized". And with them goes jobs and tax money that CA needs.

Well Beave, believe it or not, you live in the one single most desirable state in the union and there is a premium charged to live or work there.
You could live at a way higher “standard of living” for the same cost, if only you were willing to live in Bumfuk Texas or Whiteville Tennessee.

 

[thebeave]

Why would you want that? Is it slavery specifically that you support, or ending accountability generally?

Are you high?

Seriously, what is with your desire to punish people for things that other people did some hundred years ago? It's downright christian of you to visit the sins of the father upon the sons. Worse even, since there's extremely low likelihood that anyone working at these companies right now is descended from the company employees who benefited more than a century ago. So you're not even punishing the sons, you're just punishing a bunch of people because some other people in the past did something bad. It's nutty.

What "punishment"? Publishing facts is not a fucking punishment. Facts are facts. They exist whether you disseminate or suppress them. If you are afraid facts might make you think differently about the world, you should consider growing the fuck up and getting off the teat of government censorship. These people aren't your friends.

Its a really dumb idea. Yet another California business regulation being imposed that costs companies money and headaches to comply with and opens them up to shame, ridicule, boycotts and reparations from the "pitchfork and torches" crowd for things that went on over 150+ years ago, that they certainly don't support now in 2026. California ranks among the least business friendly states in the US (number 50, per this measure). This just gives companies yet another reason to say, "fuck this shit, let's move our facilities to a place where we're wanted and supported, not demonized". And with them goes jobs and tax money that CA needs.

Well Beave, believe it or not, you live in the one single most desirable state in the union and there is a premium charged to live or work there.
You could live at a way higher “standard of living” for the same cost, if only you were willing to live in Bumfuk Texas or Whiteville Tennessee.

I would say it used to be among the most desirable states (not sure it was ever considered the MOST desirable), but not anymore. There has been a net outflow of people for a while now (link) because people can't afford to live here. How can a state thrive and prosper when the lower income people who help keep the state's infrastructure and its economy going day to day can't make ends meet?

Yes, I could move elsewhere and I occassionally think about it. Thanks for the suggestions. I looked into Bumfuk Texas but couldn't find any info on it. Did you get the right state? At any rate, from the name, it sounds like it could be primarily an LGBTQ community (not that there's anything wrong with that), so maybe not a good fit for me. I also checked into Whiteville Tennessee. Seems like a nice little community, but it has a majority Black population (why the heck would a lot black people want to live in a place called Whiteville??), so again, maybe not the best fit. Would I be able to find Coors beer, Wonder bread and Velveeta cheese there? Or find ammo for all my hunting rifles and big tires for my truck? I don't know.

 

[Elixir]

How can a state thrive and prosper when the lower income people who help keep the state's infrastructure and its economy going day to day can't make ends meet?

Well, the lower income people need more money. Only the truly rich can afford to keep such expensive pets in this economic climate.
But the weather! What else you gonna do with your billions? Pay it out, or move! Just don’t pay them so much that they start showing up at your Country Club or favorite restaurant. Just enough to keep ‘em around.
Parts of Tennessee used to be real nice and I hear there’s still some places… but no ocean.

 

[Emily Lake]

Why would you want that? Is it slavery specifically that you support, or ending accountability generally?

Are you high?

Seriously, what is with your desire to punish people for things that other people did some hundred years ago? It's downright christian of you to visit the sins of the father upon the sons. Worse even, since there's extremely low likelihood that anyone working at these companies right now is descended from the company employees who benefited more than a century ago. So you're not even punishing the sons, you're just punishing a bunch of people because some other people in the past did something bad. It's nutty.

What "punishment"? Publishing facts is not a fucking punishment. Facts are facts. They exist whether you disseminate or suppress them. If you are afraid facts might make you think differently about the world, you should consider growing the fuck up and getting off the teat of government censorship. These people aren't your friends.

Uh huh.

What do you think is the PURPOSE of making companies publish if 150 years ago someone who worked there made money off of slavery?

The only thing I can come up with is that it allows some people to point fingers and say those companies are bad because 5 generations ago someone else was involved in something bad. At a minimum, it's inviting social censure of current people for the misbehavior of a completely different group of folks a century and a half ago. There's also a realistic chance that it's intended to open the door for confiscating funds from those companies to "make up for" slavery. It would essentially be fining Alex because Bob's great-great-great-great-great grandpappy did bad things to Carl's great-great-great-great-great grandpoppa.

 

[Emily Lake]

Well Beave, believe it or not, you live in the one single most desirable state in the union

Sure, because that's what negative domestic migration looks like, right?

Over the last 5 years, more people have moved out of California than have moved into it in terms of domestic (state-to-state) migration. [1, 2]
Key facts regarding California's migration and population trends over this period:

• Negative Domestic Net Migration: California has consistently experienced a net loss of residents to other U.S. states. Hundreds of thousands more people leave California for states like Texas, Arizona, Washington, and Nevada each year than arrive from them. [1, 2, 3]
• Foreign Immigration Offsets Losses: Despite the ongoing domestic "exodus," California's overall population has stabilized or occasionally ticked upward in recent years. This is largely driven by rebounding international immigration and natural population changes. [1, 2]
• Primary Drivers: The most common reasons cited by residents leaving are the high cost of housing and general cost of living. [1, 2, 3]

You can track detailed annual population figures and demographic breakdowns via the California Department of Finance Demographics Unit or read migration analysis from the Public Policy Institute of California. [1, 2]

 

[Politesse]

Uh huh.

What do you think is the PURPOSE of making companies publish if 150 years ago someone who worked there made money off of slavery?

It frees up and makes public knowledge that has been hidden behind propietary privilege until now.

I note that the specific case you propose there would fall outside the scope of the law. They are required to report on the company's use of chattel slavery and resources associated with it, not a personalized account of every individual who ever worked there.