The Race For 2028

[laughing dog]

2028 White House hopefuls

I like the idea of Ossoff/Buttigieg. Ossoff being from the south and Buttigieg having more national name recognition. Both being young white family men would more than negate any concerns about Pete's marital proclivity.

Rubio has done a good job of keeping the Trump stink off him.
Vance? Forget about it. It don't wash off so easy.

Agreed. I think that any ticket with Ossoff will win. How about Ossoff with Whitmear? But Ossoff/Buttigieg would work also.

Whitmer doesn't even appear in the poll's top ten candidates. But I don't know how this poll was presented to those surveyed.
But I try and think, historically, what is Whitmer known for nationally? Kidnapping attempt. Maybe Covid.

From the article, many people do not even know who Rubio and Buttigieg are. And it's the sensational stuff that sticks. I'd bet some who do know who they are remember "Little Marco" and the gay mayor and little else. So people like Ossoff and Whitmer are even less known. I was just thinking in Ossoff, a southern man on the ticket might help more where it counts. Or a southern black man might work. But sadly, I think simply being a woman is not enough. There are too many women who see the world through traditional and conservative eyes. So if it is a woman, she better have charisma.

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

Didn’t work for Hillary Clinton.

 

[Shadowy Man]

2028 White House hopefuls

I like the idea of Ossoff/Buttigieg. Ossoff being from the south and Buttigieg having more national name recognition. Both being young white family men would more than negate any concerns about Pete's marital proclivity.

Rubio has done a good job of keeping the Trump stink off him.
Vance? Forget about it. It don't wash off so easy.

Agreed. I think that any ticket with Ossoff will win. How about Ossoff with Whitmear? But Ossoff/Buttigieg would work also.

Whitmer doesn't even appear in the poll's top ten candidates. But I don't know how this poll was presented to those surveyed.
But I try and think, historically, what is Whitmer known for nationally? Kidnapping attempt. Maybe Covid.

From the article, many people do not even know who Rubio and Buttigieg are. And it's the sensational stuff that sticks. I'd bet some who do know who they are remember "Little Marco" and the gay mayor and little else. So people like Ossoff and Whitmer are even less known. I was just thinking in Ossoff, a southern man on the ticket might help more where it counts. Or a southern black man might work. But sadly, I think simply being a woman is not enough. There are too many women who see the world through traditional and conservative eyes. So if it is a woman, she better have charisma.

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

Perhaps in a job interview (like it should be) but not in a popularity contest (which it actually is).

 

[Tigers!]

2028 White House hopefuls

I like the idea of Ossoff/Buttigieg. Ossoff being from the south and Buttigieg having more national name recognition. Both being young white family men would more than negate any concerns about Pete's marital proclivity.

Rubio has done a good job of keeping the Trump stink off him.
Vance? Forget about it. It don't wash off so easy.

Agreed. I think that any ticket with Ossoff will win. How about Ossoff with Whitmear? But Ossoff/Buttigieg would work also.

Whitmer doesn't even appear in the poll's top ten candidates. But I don't know how this poll was presented to those surveyed.
But I try and think, historically, what is Whitmer known for nationally? Kidnapping attempt. Maybe Covid.

From the article, many people do not even know who Rubio and Buttigieg are. And it's the sensational stuff that sticks. I'd bet some who do know who they are remember "Little Marco" and the gay mayor and little else. So people like Ossoff and Whitmer are even less known. I was just thinking in Ossoff, a southern man on the ticket might help more where it counts. Or a southern black man might work. But sadly, I think simply being a woman is not enough. There are too many women who see the world through traditional and conservative eyes. So if it is a woman, she better have charisma.

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

What country do you think this is for? Texas just turned blue because the Republican Senator candidate looked weird.

Yes you are right. location is very important.

 

[Tigers!]

2028 White House hopefuls

I like the idea of Ossoff/Buttigieg. Ossoff being from the south and Buttigieg having more national name recognition. Both being young white family men would more than negate any concerns about Pete's marital proclivity.

Rubio has done a good job of keeping the Trump stink off him.
Vance? Forget about it. It don't wash off so easy.

Agreed. I think that any ticket with Ossoff will win. How about Ossoff with Whitmear? But Ossoff/Buttigieg would work also.

Whitmer doesn't even appear in the poll's top ten candidates. But I don't know how this poll was presented to those surveyed.
But I try and think, historically, what is Whitmer known for nationally? Kidnapping attempt. Maybe Covid.

From the article, many people do not even know who Rubio and Buttigieg are. And it's the sensational stuff that sticks. I'd bet some who do know who they are remember "Little Marco" and the gay mayor and little else. So people like Ossoff and Whitmer are even less known. I was just thinking in Ossoff, a southern man on the ticket might help more where it counts. Or a southern black man might work. But sadly, I think simply being a woman is not enough. There are too many women who see the world through traditional and conservative eyes. So if it is a woman, she better have charisma.

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

Didn’t work for Hillary Clinton.

I did say better but not the only thing people think about.

Although sitting in a lot of desks or wearing many hats is not of itself a sign of competency. Results still need to be considered.

 

[southernhybrid]

The only charismatic, brilliant, experienced woman I know who would make a good president is Stacey Abrams, but I doubt she'd make it past the primaries, assuming she wanted to run. After her two defeats in Georgia, I doubt she wants to try for president.

Sadly, I think only a man has a chance of becoming president of the US in the coming. years. I really don't think Ossoff wants to run. If he's interested in an administrative job, let him run for governor first. I will only vote in the primaries for someone who has been a governor and Beshaer and Shapiro are my first two choices. Maybe Stacey could be VP, as that would excite a lot of women. Kentucky is in the South, so if you want someone from the South, who has been able to pull support from both parties, go with Beshaer.

It is insane that the election process never stops in the US, but that's the way it's been for a long time and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[Harry Bosch]

2028 White House hopefuls

I like the idea of Ossoff/Buttigieg. Ossoff being from the south and Buttigieg having more national name recognition. Both being young white family men would more than negate any concerns about Pete's marital proclivity.

Rubio has done a good job of keeping the Trump stink off him.
Vance? Forget about it. It don't wash off so easy.

Agreed. I think that any ticket with Ossoff will win. How about Ossoff with Whitmear? But Ossoff/Buttigieg would work also.

Whitmer doesn't even appear in the poll's top ten candidates. But I don't know how this poll was presented to those surveyed.
But I try and think, historically, what is Whitmer known for nationally? Kidnapping attempt. Maybe Covid.

From the article, many people do not even know who Rubio and Buttigieg are. And it's the sensational stuff that sticks. I'd bet some who do know who they are remember "Little Marco" and the gay mayor and little else. So people like Ossoff and Whitmer are even less known. I was just thinking in Ossoff, a southern man on the ticket might help more where it counts. Or a southern black man might work. But sadly, I think simply being a woman is not enough. There are too many women who see the world through traditional and conservative eyes. So if it is a woman, she better have charisma.

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

Didn’t work for Hillary Clinton.

I did say better but not the only thing people think about.

Although sitting in a lot of desks or wearing many hats is not of itself a sign of competency. Results still need to be considered.

The fact that HRC didn't get elected was a great tragedy. If you listen to her in podcasts in long interview style, you'd realize that she is absolutely brilliant. I met her in person at an event and found her to be genuine and warm. And funny.

 

[TV and credit cards]

2028 White House hopefuls

I like the idea of Ossoff/Buttigieg. Ossoff being from the south and Buttigieg having more national name recognition. Both being young white family men would more than negate any concerns about Pete's marital proclivity.

Rubio has done a good job of keeping the Trump stink off him.
Vance? Forget about it. It don't wash off so easy.

Agreed. I think that any ticket with Ossoff will win. How about Ossoff with Whitmear? But Ossoff/Buttigieg would work also.

Whitmer doesn't even appear in the poll's top ten candidates. But I don't know how this poll was presented to those surveyed.
But I try and think, historically, what is Whitmer known for nationally? Kidnapping attempt. Maybe Covid.

From the article, many people do not even know who Rubio and Buttigieg are. And it's the sensational stuff that sticks. I'd bet some who do know who they are remember "Little Marco" and the gay mayor and little else. So people like Ossoff and Whitmer are even less known. I was just thinking in Ossoff, a southern man on the ticket might help more where it counts. Or a southern black man might work. But sadly, I think simply being a woman is not enough. There are too many women who see the world through traditional and conservative eyes. So if it is a woman, she better have charisma.

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

Of course. But it just doesn't work that way, does it? In many things, an individual's breadth of knowledge and competency is all well in good but if they put their audience to sleep trying to deliver their message, it's all for naught. The candidate has to be able to grab the audience attention.

 

[robnisch]

I really want to see a woman president in my lifetime.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

Didn’t work for Hillary Clinton.

I did say better but not the only thing people think about.

Although sitting in a lot of desks or wearing many hats is not of itself a sign of competency. Results still need to be considered.

The fact that HRC didn't get elected was a great tragedy. If you listen to her in podcasts in long interview style, you'd realize that she is absolutely brilliant. I met her in person at an event and found her to be genuine and warm. And funny.

Genuine? I don't know, she seemed like a typical politician and being genuine isn't a common trait. Stone cold, competent, and capable of being the President, absolutely. She sat in front of a the GOP Congress all day, who tried to rankle her over Benghazi. She didn't break a sweat. 2026 was the election that 2016 was supposed to be... but we had to have 6 years of Trump to get to the obvious part for the American electorate.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

Didn’t work for Hillary Clinton.

I did say better but not the only thing people think about.

Although sitting in a lot of desks or wearing many hats is not of itself a sign of competency. Results still need to be considered.

The fact that HRC didn't get elected was a great tragedy. If you listen to her in podcasts in long interview style, you'd realize that she is absolutely brilliant. I met her in person at an event and found her to be genuine and warm. And funny.

Genuine? I don't know, she seemed like a typical politician and being genuine isn't a common trait. Stone cold, competent, and capable of being the President, absolutely. She sat in front of a the GOP Congress all day, who tried to rankle her over Benghazi. She didn't break a sweat. 2026 was the election that 2016 was supposed to be... but we had to have 6 years of Trump to get to the obvious part for the American electorate.

I've repeated this story a few times on this forum, but I met both HRC and Bernie at a democratic fund raiser/speech type of thing. A small group of us met them behind the stage in a room for a short period of time. I introduced HRC. Another guy introduced Bernie. Liked then both. But we all found HRC to be funny, at ease, cracking jokes, showing empathy, and etc. Then she got in front of the crowd, and became the cold competent and guarded that because her famous stick. We all found Bernie the absolute opposite. I didn't find him genuine in person. He didn't seem to care about tribal issues. He couldn't wait to get out of there. Then he delivered a great speech.

 

[Politesse]

I really want to see a woman president in my lifetime.

¡Ve hacia el sur, amigo! Todavía quedan naciones civilizadas. ¡Viva Claudia! ¡Viva Xiomara!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

Didn’t work for Hillary Clinton.

I did say better but not the only thing people think about.

Although sitting in a lot of desks or wearing many hats is not of itself a sign of competency. Results still need to be considered.

The fact that HRC didn't get elected was a great tragedy. If you listen to her in podcasts in long interview style, you'd realize that she is absolutely brilliant. I met her in person at an event and found her to be genuine and warm. And funny.

Genuine? I don't know, she seemed like a typical politician and being genuine isn't a common trait. Stone cold, competent, and capable of being the President, absolutely. She sat in front of a the GOP Congress all day, who tried to rankle her over Benghazi. She didn't break a sweat. 2026 was the election that 2016 was supposed to be... but we had to have 6 years of Trump to get to the obvious part for the American electorate.

I've repeated this story a few times on this forum, but I met both HRC and Bernie at a democratic fund raiser/speech type of thing. A small group of us met them behind the stage in a room for a short period of time. I introduced HRC. Another guy introduced Bernie. Liked then both. But we all found HRC to be funny, at ease, cracking jokes, showing empathy, and etc. Then she got in front of the crowd, and became the cold competent and guarded that because her famous stick. We all found Bernie the absolute opposite. I didn't find him genuine in person. He didn't seem to care about tribal issues. He couldn't wait to get out of there. Then he delivered a great speech.

Actually first time I've seen you note that event. I'm not a huge Sanders fan. I voted for him in the primary, but more as a progressive nod to the party, not for him to be the 2016 nominee. He hasn't gotten shit done in his entire career. Norman Thomas didn't accomplish much, but he had an identity and a moral standard that mattered. Eugene Debs made a huge difference without ever being elected into power. Sanders just talks. I'm so grateful he was able to give liberals a voice again. But the whole Bernie-Bros thing... way too naive. Anyone that has studied American Socialism in politics will understand the huge hill they faced, and just how little people are willing to fight to share the wealth.

I've always viewed Hillary Clinton as ambition first, principles second. Not that she lacked principles, but she had her goals and she'd trend as needed to reach them. Like how she inserted herself into the 2008 convention after losing out to Obama. Her loss in 2016 was a tremendous loss for America. W wasn't enough apparently.

 

[Elixir]

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

Didn’t work for Hillary Clinton.

I did say better but not the only thing people think about.

Although sitting in a lot of desks or wearing many hats is not of itself a sign of competency. Results still need to be considered.

The fact that HRC didn't get elected was a great tragedy. If you listen to her in podcasts in long interview style, you'd realize that she is absolutely brilliant. I met her in person at an event and found her to be genuine and warm. And funny.

Genuine? I don't know, she seemed like a typical politician and being genuine isn't a common trait. Stone cold, competent, and capable of being the President, absolutely. She sat in front of a the GOP Congress all day, who tried to rankle her over Benghazi. She didn't break a sweat. 2026 was the election that 2016 was supposed to be... but we had to have 6 years of Trump to get to the obvious part for the American electorate.

I believe she was well trained in the maintenance of a stoic, unflappable front, giving her a cold steel appearance that was off-putting to many men. And many more were victims of their own misogyny, conscious or otherwise.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Wouldn't competency be better than charisma?

Didn’t work for Hillary Clinton.

I did say better but not the only thing people think about.

Although sitting in a lot of desks or wearing many hats is not of itself a sign of competency. Results still need to be considered.

The fact that HRC didn't get elected was a great tragedy. If you listen to her in podcasts in long interview style, you'd realize that she is absolutely brilliant. I met her in person at an event and found her to be genuine and warm. And funny.

Genuine? I don't know, she seemed like a typical politician and being genuine isn't a common trait. Stone cold, competent, and capable of being the President, absolutely. She sat in front of a the GOP Congress all day, who tried to rankle her over Benghazi. She didn't break a sweat. 2026 was the election that 2016 was supposed to be... but we had to have 6 years of Trump to get to the obvious part for the American electorate.

I believe she was well trained in the maintenance of a stoic, unflappable front, giving her a cold steel appearance that was off-putting to many men. And many more were victims of their own misogyny, conscious or otherwise.

Being a woman in power is enough to throw guys off.

Granted, the conservative/moderate misogynists will vote for Gov. Huckabee Sanders in a minute.

 

[TV and credit cards]

I really want to see a woman president in my lifetime.

In retrospect, I think HRC would have made a fine president. What I always try to figure out is how they will handle themselves on the world stage. I would have loved to see Clinton go up against Putin. I think she would have gone all that time of the month on his ass.
In Trump, we could not have done worse. As far as foreign policy and statesmanship goes, he's a fucking abortion.

 

[Elixir]

he's a fucking abortion.

A miscarriage of democracy.

 

[TomC]

he's a fucking abortion.

A miscarriage of democracy.

This is why I am such a strong supporter of NPV.
In 2000, the US electorate voted for Gore. The electoral college made Bush II president anyway. In 2016, Hillary Clinton won the election of the US electorate by almost 3 million votes. The electoral college made Trump president anyway.

I seriously want the US electorate to choose the president! No constitutional amendment necessary to make the changes.
I'm certain that the biggest change will be greater voter engagement and turnout.

Only losers oppose that.
Tom