Transracial Woman Under Fire in Spokane

[repoman]

This should be one of "one simple trick" ads from now on.

 

[RavenSky]

I don't much care what race she wants to claim or identifies with; but given the high number of apparent lies on multiple topics (including police reports), she sounds like a nut... or her mother is.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I don't much care what race she wants to claim or identifies with; but given the high number of apparent lies on multiple topics (including police reports), she sounds like a nut

But if she wants to self-identify as a sane person, is it really the place of any of us to say that we should categorize her differently?

 

[RavenSky]

One organization that appears to be standing behind her is the NAACP. The group, historically one of the most prominent in supporting causes important to the African-American community, said Friday that Dolezal is "enduring a legal issue with her family" and that "we respect her privacy in this matter."

"One's racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership," the group said. "The NAACP Alaska-Oregon-Washington State Conference stands behind Ms. Dolezal's advocacy record."

Still, what Dolezal has done is more important than what race she is to the NAACP, regional President Gerald Hankerson said. He called the NAACP a civil rights organization first that includes "leaders from all different ethnicities," adding that it "doesn't do a genealogy search on what a person's ethnicity is when they" take a top position.

As to Dolezal specifically, Hankerson said, "We represent all civil rights issues, regardless of a person's ethnicity. And the quality of the work that she has done to elevate the issues of civil rights in that region is what we applaud."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washington-spokane-naacp-rachel-dolezal-identity/

So who is having a problem with her self-identifying as black?

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

I don't much care what race she wants to claim or identifies with; but given the high number of apparent lies on multiple topics (including police reports), she sounds like a nut

But if she wants to self-identify as a sane person, is it really the place of any of us to say that we should categorize her differently?

We'd probably have to medicate or institutionalize most of the world if not.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

As we are told race is a social construct, why should someone be forced to maintain the race they were assigned at birth when they self-identify with another race?

Precisely because race is a SOCIAL construct, not a personal one. You an self-identify as pre-columbian tribal wood elf, but SOCIETY is pretty sure you're just a "white person."

Not that the social construct ITSELF actually makes a lot of sense and is, in a lot of ways, arbitrary and meaningless. All that means is we need to change the way SOCIETY views racial classifications if we want those classifications to even begin to make sense.

The problem is the ridiculous and sexist "one drop" rule which was used in the past by white supremacist to reject mixed-race people and is used today by black supremacist to deny the white heritage of mixed-race people.

It has nothing to do with "black supremacists." They don't control the dialog in that issue, never really did, and arguably never will. The sad fact of the matter is the "one drop rule" is an artifact of white supremacism that was never actually phased out with the end of Jim Crow and no new definition has evolved to replace it; it is, in fact, a white supremacist meme that has been internalized by black people at their own expense.

Also problematic is that belonging to certain minority groups can give one legal and other benefits. For example, Elzabeth "Fauxachontas" Warren...

I'm just going to use my imagination and pretend that you would have bothered to bring this up -- or even thought about doing so -- if it didn't give you a chance to cast a prominent female politician in a bad light.

Still, what Dolezal has done is more important than what race she is to the NAACP, regional President Gerald Hankerson said. He called the NAACP a civil rights organization first that includes "leaders from all different ethnicities," adding that it "doesn't do a genealogy search on what a person's ethnicity is when they" take a top position.

As to Dolezal specifically, Hankerson said, "We represent all civil rights issues, regardless of a person's ethnicity. And the quality of the work that she has done to elevate the issues of civil rights in that region is what we applaud."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washington-spokane-naacp-rachel-dolezal-identity/

So who is having a problem with her self-identifying as black?

Not the NAACP, obviously, because doing so would be politically incorrect for some reason.

OTOH, I don't know how many white people would be able to retain a leadership position in, say, the Jewish Defense League if it came to light that they were not, in fact, Jewish.

Let's just come out and say it here: minority organizations exist to offset social and political disadvantages experienced by minorities by virtue of their smaller numbers. One would need to be an actual member of that community in order to be a LEADER of that community.

In Dolezai's case, this is basically "Dancing with Wolves." Only with black people.

Dancing With Colored People?

 

[fast]

There always seems to be an unspoken assumption that factually links self-identification with the classification identified with, but a dog is a dog no matter how one might want to self-identify as a cat.

 

[credoconsolans]

Still, what Dolezal has done is more important than what race she is to the NAACP, regional President Gerald Hankerson said. He called the NAACP a civil rights organization first that includes "leaders from all different ethnicities," adding that it "doesn't do a genealogy search on what a person's ethnicity is when they" take a top position.

As to Dolezal specifically, Hankerson said, "We represent all civil rights issues, regardless of a person's ethnicity. And the quality of the work that she has done to elevate the issues of civil rights in that region is what we applaud."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washington-spokane-naacp-rachel-dolezal-identity/

So who is having a problem with her self-identifying as black?

Other black people, apparently. They're angry because they say being black is not something you can "learn" or "identify" with.

 

[thebeave]

So, if I remove the Toyota emblem off my car and slap on a Mercedes Benz emblem, do I now own a Benz? Just checking to see where we draw the line on this stuff.

 

[Trausti]

So, if I remove the Toyota emblem off my car and slap on a Mercedes Benz emblem, do I now own a Benz? Just checking to see where we draw the line on this stuff.

Are you suggesting that race and gender are biological and immutable and cannot be changed regardless of how we wish to identify? Deep dude. Deep.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

So, if I remove the Toyota emblem off my car and slap on a Mercedes Benz emblem, do I now own a Benz? Just checking to see where we draw the line on this stuff.

Where it actually has some sort of practical consequence. If you feel like you are driving a Benz after that cosmetic change, what's it to me? I'll even refer to your car that way if you like. But if you try to sell me that car, I'd consider it a Toyota for my intents and purposes. The idea that it's a Benz was something personal to you and I don't have any problem with that because it just doesn't affect me, but the car itself has no apparent self-identity which I need to respect for he car's sake. I'd price it out based considering its actual make and model as would most people.

But people don't tend to just randomly do what you proposed in great numbers. Does a line needs to be drawn for something that is seldom even an issue? In the scenario you mentioned, how many people would do what you proposed? Few if any because even if they feel their self-identity feels like driving a Mercedes-Benz is part of who they are, most people wouldn't be fulfilled or appeased by a simple logo swap.

 

[Terrell]

So, if I remove the Toyota emblem off my car and slap on a Mercedes Benz emblem, do I now own a Benz? Just checking to see where we draw the line on this stuff.

Good one, pictures a Camaro trying to say she's some other type of car.

I have no idea what to say about her, as far as her identity is concerned.

 

[Trausti]

She should have her own Vanity Fair cover.

Rachel Dolezal, a professor of Black Studies who rotates between Eastern Washington and North Idaho College, and is a leader for NIC's Black Students Association, said she wished the film had never been made. Her main dislike stemmed from all the money Kathryn Stockett, the author of the novel and a white woman, made off of this book and film.
"Follow the money trail," Dolezal said. "A white woman makes millions off of a black woman's story."

http://www.gonzagabulletin.com/article_a15f6afe-4a1b-544b-b524-3461eb6adb5d.html

 

[RavenSky]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washington-spokane-naacp-rachel-dolezal-identity/

So who is having a problem with her self-identifying as black?

Other black people, apparently. They're angry because they say being black is not something you can "learn" or "identify" with.

Sure... like the idiot on Twitter who complained that black people can't "pass" for white... ignoring the very long history of black people who did exactly that to escape slavery/Jim Crow

But when even the NAACP is supporting her? Exactly how big is this backlash?

 

[repoman]

This is a real good stream. The guy who talks like Chris Tucker in 5th Element with blue floral shirt is on point.

You can go back to the beginning of the stream as it is still running.

I found him through his reaction the racist frat chant on the bus.

 

[Godless Raven]

So, if I remove the Toyota emblem off my car and slap on a Mercedes Benz emblem, do I now own a Benz? Just checking to see where we draw the line on this stuff.

Good one, pictures a Camaro trying to say she's some other type of car.

I have no idea what to say about her, as far as her identity is concerned.

What type of car is this?



Most people that look at it will automatically say "Mustang". The owner clearly wants it to look like a Mustang. But aside from the candy coating on the outside, that's no Mustang.

 

[Frikki]

I do not think one's ethnicity or rape should give anybody legal benefits or special consideration in hiring, college admissions etc.

Freudian slip?

Wishful thinking.

 

[repoman]

 

[thebeave]

 

[Derec]

Most people that look at it will automatically say "Mustang". The owner clearly wants it to look like a Mustang. But aside from the candy coating on the outside, that's no Mustang.

So is that finally a Mustang that can corner?
Of course in reverse we have this.