Everything I Learned About WW II Is A LIE!

[Tom Sawyer]

I like the way that the 1940s U.S. Government lied about the Holocaust in order to promote a multiethnic society.

 

[bleubird]

Everything you learned about WWII was a lie? There was no war with Japan? Who did not kill millions of Chinese.And,my uncle was not wounded by a German mine in France ?My father did not help supply the Army and Marines in the South Pacific while in the US Coast Guard?

Hasta la vista,dude!

 

[funinspace]

As I jam on to the sounds of Rammstein’s Reise Reise in the background...I am bemused by the spectacle before me. Keith, the estimated population of Boise is now only roughly 214k (so go suck my S&M ORGASMic head ) not 217k.

The wild wild web is a funny beast, looking at some boasting from just six months ago, it seems that even a HS dropout can master cut-n-paste:
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=230878

A couple people came close, but no cigar. The only time I was wrong was when I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.

Who the fuck says ‘negro’ anymore’? Are thou sucking in a King James Time Warp? It’s just a jump to the left…

And WTF is “white patriotism”, coming from a guy that is about as WASP as one gets, as my mommy traced my bloodline back to 10-15 families of the Mayflower interfamily sexcapades…oh shit what is that very quiet noise….good Zeus it is the black helo dudes about to take me off to the FEMA MallWart camps…bye world…………………………………….

 

[laughing dog]

laughingdog,
Of course it lacks credible evidence. Dead men tell no tales.

Bodies tell tales. And the killer tell tales. Something of that magnitude could not be hidden. Which is why the informed world knows that the Nazis killed an estimated 11 million "undesirables" of which around 6 million were Jews.

I have something else that is incredible for you to look up. In your browser, search engine or whatever. It's called, "The Betrayal of the Cossacks." Then tell me more about your "greatest generation."

This response is more than 3 credits shy of a relevant response to anything in this thread. I have made no claims about the "greatest generation". We are discussing your ridiculous and undocumented claim that less than 300,000 Jews were killed by the Nazis.

 

[Ford]

As you can see, the U.S. has many reasons to promote the idea of there having been a holocaust.

You might want to take this up with Germany. You may have heard of this country. It is the one that actually perpetrated the incident in question. It may have escaped your notice, but they are pretty well convinced that they did in fact round up millions of Jews, herd them into camps, and systematically murder them.


If there was one country on the planet that had a motivation for some Holocaust denying, it would be Germany.


But if you ask them, they'll say "yeah, totally fucking did that."

 

[Keith&Co.]

There is debate as to whether or not the holocaust killed 6 million Jews.

'Debate' in that sentence is as ludicrous as 'accused' is in the other one you posted.

Why Would Somebody Lie By Saying The Holocaust Happened.

2. Jews control the movie industry. They may have even have had a lot of influence in raido broadcasting. This gave them a huge "soapbox" to stand on and spew their lies. And once lies are established, they are hard to go back on.

Hey, cultist, this is kind of a way that the Jews might have spread their lies.
It's not really a reason WHY they might have lied.

8. If the holocaust was ever disproven, Jews might again be persecuted.

Ah. Because after WWII there were no restricted clubs.
You need to revamp your posts, cultie.

Try having a point and sticking to it.

 

[credoconsolans]

5. The U.S. might lessen it's funding of Israel. A country that it already gave nuclear weapons to.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Israel steal nuclear technology from us?

 

[bilby]

I like the way that the 1940s U.S. Government lied about the Holocaust in order to promote a multiethnic society.

Given that the idea of a multi-ethnic society didn't really gain any traction for another two decades, I would say that it shows a level of forward thinking that is sadly lacking in government these days.

 

[Ford]

I like the way that the 1940s U.S. Government lied about the Holocaust in order to promote a multiethnic society.

Given that the idea of a multi-ethnic society didn't really gain any traction for another two decades, I would say that it shows a level of forward thinking that is sadly lacking in government these days.

Well, see...that's why the Jews that control Hollywood stepped in!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

2. To cover their guilt for having killed so many "innocent" people. Which is no reason to me. Because as far as I'm concerned, even if 6 million Jews were killed, it wasn't nearly enough.

Surprise factor zero. Holocaust deniers are generally people who want to see it continued.

However, you have the reasoning wrong here--it's not guilt, but rather that they realize how society views genocide and the history of the holocaust shows what can happen when they get their way.

Also, most people don't want to admit to being for genocide.

Why Would Somebody Lie By Saying The Holocaust Happened.

1. in 1933, a newspaper headline appeared that said, "Judea Declares War On Germany." As I quoted before, "In war, truth is the first casualty."

Judea wasn't a nation at that time, it couldn't declare war on Germany or anybody else.

2. Jews control the movie industry. They may have even have had a lot of influence in raido broadcasting. This gave them a huge "soapbox" to stand on and spew their lies. And once lies are established, they are hard to go back on.

Control the movie industry? I would think the movie industry would be more positive towards them if that were the case.

I haven't paid attention to radio in a long time, the current world press is certainly anti-Jewish. (Although in most cases I think this is simply an example of news organizations slanting the news in the direction the majority of their listeners want--and there are nearly 100x as many Muslims as Jews in the world.)

3. To take revenge on the Germans for having dared to deport the "chosen of GOD!!!"

Huh?

4. Jews received reparations for the whole "holocaust" thing. As far as I know, they're still being made. If the holocaust was ever shown to be a fraud, those payments would dry up. They might even have to pay back money that was paid.

Reparations?? No, what they have received is a return of stolen property. You can't return stolen property without it first being stolen.

5. The U.S. might lessen it's funding of Israel. A country that it already gave nuclear weapons to.

The holocaust was around long before there was any funding of Israel.

8. If the holocaust was ever disproven, Jews might again be persecuted.

And they aren't persecuted now??

9. National Socialism was economically sucessful. Capitalisn wasn't and isn't. To support "The American Way," it would be very helpful to discredit national socialism in any way possible.

The Holocaust was about Hitler, not National Socialism.

10. Stalin was the real monster. In the early 30's, he caused up to 10 million Ukrainians to starve to death. He didn't even need "death camps" to do it. Not to mention his many other atrocities. The holocaust and other things could be supported so that the U.S. doesn't look so bad for having supported Stalin.

If we even did support him (I'm not addressing this one way or the other) it's moot as people certainly don't realize it.

12. German National Socialism wasn't into the whole multiethnic society thing. But that was and increasingly is being shoved down American's throats. So for the U.S. to promote its multiethnic society, they had to discredit the German White Patriot National Socialist system. Etc.

Once again, you have your timelines messed up.

As you can see, the U.S. has many reasons to promote the idea of there having been a holocaust. It also has many reasons to go to whatever lengths are necessary to see that it is believed. What is that compared to the few people who seek out the truth for the truth's sake. But I support the truth. Because those who believe in a false history are doomed to suffer the same fate themselves.

Truth? Your words read like a fanatic. Fanatics don't search for the truth, they search for things that confirm what they have already decided is true.

 

[Bronzeage]

This is not fanaticism, it's a psychosis, similar to any other inability to comprehend reality.

 

[zorq]

People don't have to be deliberately lying to spread messages that aren't true.

Look at every religion throughout history. Almost all of them have contradictory messages so we know that at least a majority of them are spreading messages that aren't true. But are they lying? No. They are simply wrong. Believers were told a message and then didn't spend the time necessary to verify it. Perhaps because they were lazy or gullible or forced to, or because it was part of their culture, or part of their peer group.

Lots of people are wrong for countless reasons.

It only takes one liar with one twisted motive to spread a false message that attracts millions of believers.

Cultsmasher. Have you really done the research necessary to verify that your message isn't wrong? Can you explain and provide the evidence you collected in support of and against the attrocities the Nazis are accused of?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What I find particularly ironic about such conspiracy theorists is that, although they believe we have all been lied to, they accept without question any statement contradicting the official record. Don't they even think to question the source of their new information, if that source itself may be a conspiracy with ulterior motives?

Especially how they'll accept stuff that's ludicrous on it's face. I'm thinking of the molten piece of steel they pulled from the wreckage of the twin towers. I would really like to know how to pick up a liquid by gripping the top of it!

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What I find particularly ironic about such conspiracy theorists is that, although they believe we have all been lied to, they accept without question any statement contradicting the official record. Don't they even think to question the source of their new information, if that source itself may be a conspiracy with ulterior motives?

I'm always suspicious of someone who says, "everything is a lie."

It's just projection at work. What they really mean is everything I say is a lie.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You just wasted 6 hours on lies.

Loren Pechtel,
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Have you ever seen any of those TV shows they have on about the Nazis or the holocaust? I know that it is absolutely incredible that such things should be shown in "The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." But it is all lying propaganda horseshit! They are lying right to your FACE! With apparent pride I might add. It's utterly disgusting!

It's only because this is the land of the free that people are permitted to speak falsehoods like this.

Take the lampshade made out of Jewish skin. It was PROVEN to be bullshit on a couple of occasions long ago. Also, in the documentary they have a Jew who investigated the holocaust. They SHOW him talkibng to a person at Auschwitz who ran the holocaust memorial museum there. That person TOLD him that the gas chamber there was made to look like a gas chamber after the war by the Russians. Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, someone claimed it was human skin. That doesn't constitute proof.

This all brings up quite a paradox. I bet you feel pretty normal. But you are utterly brainwashed and delusional. So how can you be that way and still feel "normal." Need more proof? Go to your google browser and type in, "How many Jews were deported under The Haavara Agreement." A couple websites down, you will find that question basically asked. It is hosted by "Yahoo, answers." In it, they have what they call, "The Best Answer." The person who wrote it said that 60 to 70% of German Jews were deported to Palestine. Clearly, Hitler's goal was to deport Jews. Not exterminate them. How many of those propaganda TV shows have you seen that even mentioned the haavara agreement.

Sorry, my parents were both psychologists (teaching and limited practice)--it's going to be pretty hard to brainwash me without my recognizing what's up. I've been exposed to actual brainwashing once, I watched just about everyone around me fall for it hook, line and sinker but it was totally obvious to me what was going on. I later met one other who also saw through it--they likewise came from a background of a close relative who was a psychologist.

As for that question--it seriously fails to hit the mark. From what I'm seeing the answer is at least in the ballpark but so what? There were 500k Jews in Germany before it all started, if 2/3 of them got out before the genocide that says nothing about the 5M+ outside Germany who didn't flee in time.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The fifteen results for "Old Red Cross documents that list concentration camp deaths" are copies of your opening post.

I wish i could even say it was a surprise....

So, even if this is true, which i really doubt, what's the goal, here?
The Nazis were NOT so evil that they wiped out the equivalent of the entire population of Paraguay for racist politics, but they wiped out the entire population of Boise...for the same bullshit reason? Does that make them any less evil, or just lazier?

Keith&Co,
Copies of my post? What in the hell are you takling about. I found them long before I ever mentioned them anywhere. Admittedly, I don't read or speak German. I had to take the word of the people who posted the documents who say that they show the "concentration camp" deaths of Jews to only have been about 271,000. Not 6 million. Next, is the population of Paraguay or Bosie 271,000? Am I missing something?

Does it occur to you that we aren't sheep? We actually are prone to checking claims. You gave us a specific phrase to type into Google--and everything that comes up is your post or variations on it. No actual red cross documents. Removing the quotes produces a greater variety of variations on it but no documents down to the point that the hits were obviously spurious.

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Eyewitness testimony is the lowest rank of evidence.

And it's even lower rank when you can't be sure that your "eyewitness" really is a witness at all. It's easy enough for a crackpot to trot out a fake witness for a documentary.

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As an aside, I have met some survivors of those camps and liberators of those camps. I seriously doubt they are the liars or fakers you are implicitly claiming.

ETA: this site (http://www.nationalww2museum.org/lea...holocaust.html) has the estimated lower and upper bounds of Jews killed by the Nazis by nationality. In addition, another 5 million non-Jews (homosexuals, Roma, political prisoners, Communists and other "undesirables") died in concentration and extermination camps.

Yeah, thinking about it my mother's college roommate also knew some survivors. It's way too late to ask her for details, though.

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I don't know anything about Dutch Jews. Where they might have gone or where they might have ended up. But if Hitler didn't exterminate most of the German Jews, I doubt if he did the so with the Dutch Jews. There is only one thing I do know. That whatever you may have learned about WW II is a lie. For example, there is what I was telling somebody else around here. Between 1915 and 1939, there were several articles that appeared in various newspapers. They talked about something bad happening to 6 million Jews. I guess if a lie works, stick with it.

In the documentary I mentioned, they talked about a couple people who did tests for traces of Zyklon B in the gas chambers of Auschwitz. None was found. But in rooms that were known to have used Zyklon B to disinfect clothing, the readings went right off the chart. Another "death camp" where gas was never used was Buchenwald. If gas wan't used to kill Jews in those places, it is highly unlikely that it was used anywhere to exterminate hordes of Jews.

And you consider yourself qualified to argue this issue???

The vast majority of Jews that Hitler killed weren't German in the first place! If you don't know what happened to non-German Jews you certainly don't know he didn't kill 6M Jews.

 

[Iznomneak]

As I jam on to the sounds of Rammstein’s Reise Reise in the background...I am bemused by the spectacle before me. Keith, the estimated population of Boise is now only roughly 214k (so go suck my S&M ORGASMic head ) not 217k.

The wild wild web is a funny beast, looking at some boasting from just six months ago, it seems that even a HS dropout can master cut-n-paste:
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=230878

A couple people came close, but no cigar. The only time I was wrong was when I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.

Who the fuck says ‘negro’ anymore’? Are thou sucking in a King James Time Warp? It’s just a jump to the left…

And WTF is “white patriotism”, coming from a guy that is about as WASP as one gets, as my mommy traced my bloodline back to 10-15 families of the Mayflower interfamily sexcapades…oh shit what is that very quiet noise….good Zeus it is the black helo dudes about to take me off to the FEMA MallWart camps…bye world…………………………………….

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=230878

My avarar was a picture of Hitler.

Wow, what a great pick-up line. Bookmarked!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Just a warning, I especially enjoy smashing the various cults of those who have a status quo supporting "Bo Peep" diploma. What makes it especially satisfying is that I dropped out of high school in

Here, go smash yourself. You're a cult--the Holocaust Denial cult.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Orders to execute enemy soldiers under certain conditions is far from rare in warfare. Next, as far as executing Russians, the more of those barbaric brainwashed animals were killed, the better. Next, do you remember my saying that the victors write history? Not to say what you mentioned was fake. But do you suppose the victors might include forgery to see that theur version of history prevails? Also, after the war the U.S. dumped huge amounts of money into European countries that it controlled under the Marshall plan. Who in their right mind that would like part of that money or be grateful for benifiting from any part of it say anything aginst the American version of things.

1) Commandos in uniform should be treated as prisoners of war.

2) You made the claim that Hitler didn't cause anyone to be executed. He just presented two orders from Hitler that no doubt resulted in executions.

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I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.

I find 'accused' and 'negro' terribly telling words in that sentence.

Why is interracial dating an 'accusation?'
What's the point of 'accusing' a white woman of dating a 'Negro?'

We are obviously dealing with a Stormfront type.

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Denying the Holocaust is, to my mind, as obscene as advocating sex with minors.
Why is this thread still in existence? Freedom of speech? Does nobody among the Admins here know the difference between freedom and licence" As in "Licence, they mean when Freedom they cry" ?
Denial of the Holocaust is a crime in Germany. Are you going to allow the neonazis to have a stage for their obscenity here?

NB. I AM REPORTING MY OWN POST FOR THE ADMINS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION.
I refuse to read or take part in this obscene pantomime.

I see no reason this thread shouldn't exist, although I do think a move to Pseudoscience is in order.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Everything you learned about WWII was a lie? There was no war with Japan? Who did not kill millions of Chinese.And,my uncle was not wounded by a German mine in France ?My father did not help supply the Army and Marines in the South Pacific while in the US Coast Guard?

Hasta la vista,dude!

I've seen WWII bullet holes and my in-laws actually lived under Japanese occupation.

 

[skepticalbip]

What I find particularly ironic about such conspiracy theorists is that, although they believe we have all been lied to, they accept without question any statement contradicting the official record. Don't they even think to question the source of their new information, if that source itself may be a conspiracy with ulterior motives?

skepticalbip,
I didn't accept much without question. Some of the things I looked up for myself. In the documentary I mentioned, they SHOW you examples of "camp money." Why do that for people who you just plan to exterminate as quickly as they can be brought in. In the documentary they SHOW people who were actually IN "concentration camps." They TELL you that conditions in the camps weren't as bad as they are generally made out to be.

They also SHOW a Jewish investigator question the person who RAN the Auschwitz holocaust memorial museum at the camp. That person TOLD him that their gas chamber was made to look like a gas chamber by the Russians AFTER the war. Etc. etc. etc. etc. I can't say for sure if these things are true. Because I didn't personally question these people or go to see for myself. But considering the other things I did find out on my own, I think it is likely they were telling the truth.

Yes, I understand that you believe what you are saying. That is a big part of the problem with your "research". You are obviously using google for the "research" and are looking for information that confirms your belief. That is a piss poor way to learn anything and it isn't research. I can find innumerable bits "information" on the internet to confirm almost any idiotic belief I may have. Using "information" found on the internet I can "prove" that the moon landings were hoaxed, GWB planned and was involved in the 9/11 destruction of the World Trade Center, Roosevelt conspired with the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor, Eisenhower made a deal with extra-terrestrials to allow them to abduct Americans for experimentation in exchange for their technology, "Big Oil" bought up the patent rights for a 1000 MPG carburetor and hid it from the public, etc. etc.

ETA:
I notice that your response did not address my post... except maybe to confirm it.

Don't they even think to question the source of their new information, if that source itself may be a conspiracy with ulterior motives?

I see no indication that you even attempted to confirm any of those claims with independent second or third sources. This is required for any researcher doing serious research. Anyone can find someone who says something idiotic. It should be treated as idiotic until confirmed by independent sources. The reliability of the source is every bit as important as the supposed information they give. Some of your claims are third hand hearsay - if not just unfounded claims pulled from someone's arse.