Netanyahu has lost his fucking mind

[Jayjay]

I would ask you to support your argument but it doesn't matter. Even if every single person in that 500,000 number had been forced out of Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Syria, etc. over that 24 year period, it still wouldn't justify Zionists forcing out Palestinians. The Palestinians weren't the ones forcing the Jews out of other countries, and the expulsion of the Palestinians started first.

And you're missing the fact that few people were forced out of Israel in 48. The vast majority of the displacements were people who left of their own accord, expecting to return victoriously--and when they wouldn't renounce violence Israel didn't let them back in.

That's nonsense and you know it. The refugees escaped from war which was started by the founding of Israel. Whether they expected to return "victorious" or other nonsensensical expectation you might have is irrelevant... Israel never offered to let any of the refugees return, regardless of whether they would renounce violence or not. You just made that up in the bizarre imaginary alternate world where you live.

As usual, you are defending ethnic cleansing when perpetrated by Jews against Arabs, and denouncing it when perpetrated by Arabs against Jews, even if the latter happened during much longer time period, affected less people, and had less far-reaching geopolitical consequences. One standard for Jews, another for Arabs.

 

[Jayjay]

Which is why not letting the Palestinians back is worse. At least the Jews had some place to go.

The Arabs certainly could have put them up in the houses of the Jews they just threw out. Instead they caged them, destroyed their ability to have a nation (they annexed the land intended for a Palestinian state to ensure the Palestinians had no state) and fed them a diet of hate.

The "houses of the Jews they just threw out" over the next 20 years in completely different countries where the refugees were? Don't be ridiculous. It wasn't an equal exchange. And whatever shit Arabs did afterwards doesn't retroactively justify Israel's ethnic cleansing in 1948.

 

[arkirk]

And you're missing the fact that few people were forced out of Israel in 48. The vast majority of the displacements were people who left of their own accord, expecting to return victoriously--and when they wouldn't renounce violence Israel didn't let them back in.

You could read some Benny Morris, himself a zionist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris or Ilan Pappé https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Pappé

Good source material. Old Benny tells it like it was with a liberal sprinkling of racist justification. His criticism of the 1947-1948 expulsions was simply that it was not big enough. He also thought it was justifiable what happened to the Native Americans. His thinking is that of a true cultural narcissist, but his history of the time shoots holes in Loren's and Angelo's and Netanyahu's story. 700,000 people don't just pack up and go for no reason at all.

 

[untermensche]

You think there is a wall on the entire Palestinian ever shrinking "border"?

Your defense of theft is pathetic.

Where have they expanded past the wall???

You mean illegal wall.

And do you think the Palestinians are completely surrounded by this illegal wall?

The Palestinians legally have a border with Jordan. Every inch of land where that border has been taken over by Israel is stolen land.

 

[Arctish]

Where have they expanded past the wall???

You mean illegal wall.

And do you think the Palestinians are completely surrounded by this illegal wall?

The Palestinians legally have a border with Jordan. Every inch of land where that border has been taken over by Israel is stolen land.

Not to mention that The Wall is incomplete, and is frequently shifted to encompass more Palestinian land.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And you're missing the fact that few people were forced out of Israel in 48. The vast majority of the displacements were people who left of their own accord, expecting to return victoriously--and when they wouldn't renounce violence Israel didn't let them back in.

You could read some Benny Morris, himself a zionist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris or Ilan Pappé https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Pappé

I don't see what in Benny Morris's article you are referring to.

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And you're missing the fact that few people were forced out of Israel in 48. The vast majority of the displacements were people who left of their own accord, expecting to return victoriously--and when they wouldn't renounce violence Israel didn't let them back in.

That's nonsense and you know it. The refugees escaped from war which was started by the founding of Israel. Whether they expected to return "victorious" or other nonsensensical expectation you might have is irrelevant... Israel never offered to let any of the refugees return, regardless of whether they would renounce violence or not. You just made that up in the bizarre imaginary alternate world where you live.

As usual, you are defending ethnic cleansing when perpetrated by Jews against Arabs, and denouncing it when perpetrated by Arabs against Jews, even if the latter happened during much longer time period, affected less people, and had less far-reaching geopolitical consequences. One standard for Jews, another for Arabs.

So you think the Palestinians have a DeLorean?

You've got the timeline backwards. The people left to get out of the way of the expected Arab invasion, but there was no war at the time.

 

[untermensche]

...The people left to get out of the way of the expected Arab invasion, but there was no war at the time.

It was a war zone.

And it is a crime to not allow people to return to their homes after a war.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Where have they expanded past the wall???

You mean illegal wall.

And do you think the Palestinians are completely surrounded by this illegal wall?

The Palestinians legally have a border with Jordan. Every inch of land where that border has been taken over by Israel is stolen land.

In other words, you're admitting I'm right, there's been no expansion since the wall.

 

[untermensche]

You mean illegal wall.

And do you think the Palestinians are completely surrounded by this illegal wall?

The Palestinians legally have a border with Jordan. Every inch of land where that border has been taken over by Israel is stolen land.

In other words, you're admitting I'm right, there's been no expansion since the wall.

No.

The illegal wall has not slowed Israeli encroachment. It is not a magic wall.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Wikipedia:

The Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha told the British ambassador: "All Jews were potential Zionists [and] ... anyhow all Zionists were Communists."[144] On 24 November 1947, the head of the Egyptian delegation to the United Nations General Assembly, Muhammad Hussein Heykal Pasha, said, "the lives of 1,000,000 Jews in Moslem countries would be jeopardized by the establishment of a Jewish state."[145] On 24 November 1947, Dr Heykal Pasha said: "if the U.N decide to amputate a part of Palestine in order to establish a Jewish state, ... Jewish blood will necessarily be shed elsewhere in the Arab world ... to place in certain and serious danger a million Jews. Mahmud Bey Fawzi (Egypt) said: "Imposed partition was sure to result in bloodshed in Palestine and in the rest of the Arab world."[146]


In other words, they threatened to retaliate against all Jews because some rebelled.

 

[untermensche]

Wikipedia:

The Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha told the British ambassador: "All Jews were potential Zionists [and] ... anyhow all Zionists were Communists."[144] On 24 November 1947, the head of the Egyptian delegation to the United Nations General Assembly, Muhammad Hussein Heykal Pasha, said, "the lives of 1,000,000 Jews in Moslem countries would be jeopardized by the establishment of a Jewish state."[145] On 24 November 1947, Dr Heykal Pasha said: "if the U.N decide to amputate a part of Palestine in order to establish a Jewish state, ... Jewish blood will necessarily be shed elsewhere in the Arab world ... to place in certain and serious danger a million Jews. Mahmud Bey Fawzi (Egypt) said: "Imposed partition was sure to result in bloodshed in Palestine and in the rest of the Arab world."[146]


In other words, they threatened to retaliate against all Jews because some rebelled.

None of this justifies the past 40 years of Israeli oppression.

None of it justifies the non-stop theft of land.

 

[bilby]

Wikipedia:

The Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha told the British ambassador: "All Jews were potential Zionists [and] ... anyhow all Zionists were Communists."[144] On 24 November 1947, the head of the Egyptian delegation to the United Nations General Assembly, Muhammad Hussein Heykal Pasha, said, "the lives of 1,000,000 Jews in Moslem countries would be jeopardized by the establishment of a Jewish state."[145] On 24 November 1947, Dr Heykal Pasha said: "if the U.N decide to amputate a part of Palestine in order to establish a Jewish state, ... Jewish blood will necessarily be shed elsewhere in the Arab world ... to place in certain and serious danger a million Jews. Mahmud Bey Fawzi (Egypt) said: "Imposed partition was sure to result in bloodshed in Palestine and in the rest of the Arab world."[146]


In other words, they threatened to retaliate against all Jews because some rebelled.

From Wikipedia:

Although some have noted that these loans appear to carry substantial risk to the lender, it has recently been shown that these loans carry no more long term risk for the lender than other forms of credit. These studies seem to be confirmed by the SEC 10-K filings of at least one lender, who notes a charge-off rate of 3.2%.

So there is no substantially higher risk for the lender.

I wouldn't trust Wikipedia on something like this.

No, of course not. You should only trust Wikipedia if it agrees with you.

I don't trust Wikipedia on anything politically sensitive.

And yet you do trust Wikipedia if it agrees with you.

Funny, that.

 

[angelo]

I don't need to be Jewish spokesman! I just point out the truth from the bullshit sprouted by the likes of you and others!
http://i-supportisrael.blogspot.co.il/2015/10/watch-msnbc-apologizes-for-being-anti.html

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I repeat again. Palestinian apologists support terrorism, it's as simple as that! No if or buts, those are facts!

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Methinks you are talking through your hat. Are YOU the official JEWISH SPOKESMAN HERE?

I don't think he is talking through his hat.

Not unless he is sitting on it.

You as a teacher should know better. With teachers like you, I really do worry about future generations and Australia as a whole!

Yet another example of your commitment to accurate and evidence based comment.

I am not now, have never been, and have never claimed to be a teacher. Once again you have mistaken your erroneous belief for fact.

Apologies for that, not that I think teachers are not worthy. It's a noble profession, provided one teaches the truth and facts.

 

[angelo]

Just as Hitler could always see to it that his propagandists shouted down decency, so the Zionists use American money to shout everyone else down. The land of Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, the descendants of the Old Testament Jews, whereas the Zionists are merely Nazi liars and will never be anything else.

Stealing history has been a Palestinian tactic for many decades. Tell a lie so many times that some will think it's the truth as you have just proven. Denying history and supplementing it with theirs seems to have worked with Jew haters.

Look it up--you're not going to believe any source I link anyway.

The land was owned by the Ottoman Empire--and that fell apart. People rented farmland.

I've been looking around for information, but I don't know what you are using as a source.

Does your source contain any information that contradicts what has been reported here, other than the claim that most of the land was owned by the government?

 

[angelo]

In other words, you're admitting I'm right, there's been no expansion since the wall.

No.

The illegal wall has not slowed Israeli encroachment. It is not a magic wall.

Again. How dare the Jews defend themselves! That wall is an attempt to stop daily terrorist attacks. And to some extent is has worked.

Where have they expanded past the wall???

You mean illegal wall.

And do you think the Palestinians are completely surrounded by this illegal wall?

The Palestinians legally have a border with Jordan. Every inch of land where that border has been taken over by Israel is stolen land.

 

[Will Wiley]

Wikipedia:

The Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha told the British ambassador: "All Jews were potential Zionists [and] ... anyhow all Zionists were Communists."[144] On 24 November 1947, the head of the Egyptian delegation to the United Nations General Assembly, Muhammad Hussein Heykal Pasha, said, "the lives of 1,000,000 Jews in Moslem countries would be jeopardized by the establishment of a Jewish state."[145] On 24 November 1947, Dr Heykal Pasha said: "if the U.N decide to amputate a part of Palestine in order to establish a Jewish state, ... Jewish blood will necessarily be shed elsewhere in the Arab world ... to place in certain and serious danger a million Jews. Mahmud Bey Fawzi (Egypt) said: "Imposed partition was sure to result in bloodshed in Palestine and in the rest of the Arab world."[146]


In other words, they threatened to retaliate against all Jews because some rebelled.

They? You only quoted one person and he doesn't threaten he points out the stupidity of the establishment of the state of Israel.
And time has proven what an incredibly stupid idea it was.

 

[untermensche]

Stealing history has been a Palestinian tactic for many decades. Tell a lie so many times that some will think it's the truth as you have just proven. Denying history and supplementing it with theirs seems to have worked with Jew haters.

This is pure ignorance.

Palestinians sit on land some crazed Jews want.

That is their crime.

 

[iolo]

Stealing history has been a Palestinian tactic for many decades. Tell a lie so many times that some will think it's the truth as you have just proven. Denying history and supplementing it with theirs seems to have worked with Jew haters.

This is pure ignorance.

Palestinians sit on land some crazed Jews want.

That is their crime.

I think that it is a mistake to accept the equivalence of these child-killing Nazi racists with Jews.. Most of those Hitler murdered wouldn't have touched this smelly little Nazi reichlette with a barge-pole. Which of the Brown-House thugs should we see as the Messiah? No - call a spade a spade and a racist shit a nazi say I.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Wikipedia:

The Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha told the British ambassador: "All Jews were potential Zionists [and] ... anyhow all Zionists were Communists."[144] On 24 November 1947, the head of the Egyptian delegation to the United Nations General Assembly, Muhammad Hussein Heykal Pasha, said, "the lives of 1,000,000 Jews in Moslem countries would be jeopardized by the establishment of a Jewish state."[145] On 24 November 1947, Dr Heykal Pasha said: "if the U.N decide to amputate a part of Palestine in order to establish a Jewish state, ... Jewish blood will necessarily be shed elsewhere in the Arab world ... to place in certain and serious danger a million Jews. Mahmud Bey Fawzi (Egypt) said: "Imposed partition was sure to result in bloodshed in Palestine and in the rest of the Arab world."[146]


In other words, they threatened to retaliate against all Jews because some rebelled.

None of this justifies the past 40 years of Israeli oppression.

None of it justifies the non-stop theft of land.

You're missing the point. I'm showing your arguments blaming it on the Jews are false as the same problems existed before the causes you blame them on.

Can you not see the problem with the timeline??

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And yet you do trust Wikipedia if it agrees with you.

Funny, that.

Quotes are accurate. (And I looked up the key part of that one--accurate. The original is a scanned image, though.) The problem is the choice of what to say and how to slant it.

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Stealing history has been a Palestinian tactic for many decades. Tell a lie so many times that some will think it's the truth as you have just proven. Denying history and supplementing it with theirs seems to have worked with Jew haters.

This is pure ignorance.

Palestinians sit on land some crazed Jews want.

That is their crime.

Israelis sit on land some crazed Muslims want.

That is their crime.