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Crowd forced to stone 15-year-old boy to death for being gay

I think everyone here knows what kind of person you are, Derec.
What kind of person would that be?
Only one head in the sand that I know about and the solution is entirely in your control.
Ditto.
People who satirize mainstream Christianity.
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People who satirize Mormonism.
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People who satirize Islam.
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Keeping your head in the sand is claiming there is no difference between Islam and other religions as practiced today.
 
What kind of person would that be?
Only one head in the sand that I know about and the solution is entirely in your control.
Ditto.
People who satirize mainstream Christianity.
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People who satirize Mormonism.
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People who satirize Islam.
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Keeping your head in the sand is claiming there is no difference between Islam and other religions as practiced today.

Wow.

So you think you are right up there with great comedic writers. And you have confused lampooning religion with blaming religion for authoritarianism with understanding authoritarianism.

If you were correct, then countries such as China would not rely so heavily on authoritarianism and fear to control the population. But they do and you are wrong. Again.
 
So you think you are right up there with great comedic writers.
Uhm, no. I am just saying you can make fun of Christianity without having a knife sticking out of your back.

And you have confused lampooning religion with blaming religion for authoritarianism with understanding authoritarianism.
Yeah, religion is blameless for authoritarianism and Islam is no worse than a bunch of Presbyterians. :rolleyes:

If you were correct, then countries such as China would not rely so heavily on authoritarianism and fear to control the population. But they do and you are wrong. Again.
Would you rather live in China or Iran?
 
I guessed a society ruled by any Abrahamic religion without secular constraints. Unlike your assumption, mine allowed me to accurately predict this incident without having to know when it occurred.

Since it's news it pretty much has to be something recent and that says it must be Islam. Christianity and Judaism aren't that hardline these days.

You have never heard of Africa?
 
Uhm, no. I am just saying you can make fun of Christianity without having a knife sticking out of your back.
I thought we were talking about stoning but ok, I'll play. You may be surprised to hear of it but there are a lot of people making fun of Islam. In public. In a variety of media.

No knives in backs.


So now you're a preadolescent girl?

Would you rather live in China or Iran?

I'm not particularly interested in living in either place.
 
I thought we were talking about stoning but ok, I'll play. You may be surprised to hear of it but there are a lot of people making fun of Islam. In public. In a variety of media.

Like Charlie Hebdo ?
 
I thought we were talking about stoning but ok, I'll play. You may be surprised to hear of it but there are a lot of people making fun of Islam. In public. In a variety of media.

Like Charlie Hebdo ?

At least Charlie Hebdo isn't a scardy cat little boy.

http://skeptikai.com/2011/11/27/top...-who-joke-about-muslims-or-islam-with-videos/

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/muslim-comedy-videos-make-fun-of-isis-is-al-qaeda/

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-c1-iraq-isis-tv-comedy-20141029-story.html

And so on. You get the picture...oh, wait. I guess you don't.
 
To be honest, I am not certain how extremist Islam differs in punishment of 'offenders' very much from how 'offenders' in say, China or North Korea are punished. I mean, sure, it's not public stoning, with the public coerced into participating but it's still extremely harsh and just as deadly. And it's state sponsored, meaning that the people may not be throwing the stones themselves, but they are allowing horrific punishments by their proxy: the government they choose to accept. Throw in forced late term abortions in China and you get the innocence factor thrown in.

My point is that we can no more blame Islam for such atrocities than Islamic extremists can claim justification by Islam for such atrocities. The source of such barbarity is not religion.

The Chinese penal system is harsh but nothing like Sharia.

And "forced" late term abortions is pretty much a fabrication of the pro-life community. It's not permitted by law, but in a state where the local officials have as much power as they do in China there are occasional abuses. Having too many kids carries a substantial financial penalty, that's all.

A simple test: I have been in various police states, and even had a run-in with the law in one. They are uniformly identifiable by the fear of any police contact the average person has. Consider our run-in with the law--our actual dealings with the police were hard only because of the language barrier. (The discussion ended up being in German, a language which both the officer and my mother spoke poorly and which my father couldn't meaningfully contribute.) We were able to show it was their own official that had goofed and since we didn't speak the language we couldn't even catch it. Now for the hard part--we were supposed to fill out a report. In Hungarian. Big problems--nobody was willing to translate because it was a police matter. Finally a Viennese businessman overheard our problems and helped--he knew we weren't going to find a local willing to help.

Contrast that with China: Every trip of ours over there these days involves a stop at the local police station to fill out a form. Various relatives have been with us during the registration, none have been worried about stepping into the lion's den. (Note: The typical tourist doesn't need to do this as their hotel takes care of it for them. If you're not in a hotel, though, you have to do it yourself.) Or contrast it with the encounter we witnessed in the marketplace: Due to a misunderstanding a guy selling pornographic DVDs (note: illegal) got the notion that we were interested in buying some and was unhappy at seeing an imagined sale walking away and kept trying to get us to go to where his stuff was. A cop noticed this and shooed him off and he was talking back, not cowering like someone in a police state would.
 
To be honest, I am not certain how extremist Islam differs in punishment of 'offenders' very much from how 'offenders' in say, China or North Korea are punished. I mean, sure, it's not public stoning, with the public coerced into participating but it's still extremely harsh and just as deadly. And it's state sponsored, meaning that the people may not be throwing the stones themselves, but they are allowing horrific punishments by their proxy: the government they choose to accept. Throw in forced late term abortions in China and you get the innocence factor thrown in.

My point is that we can no more blame Islam for such atrocities than Islamic extremists can claim justification by Islam for such atrocities. The source of such barbarity is not religion.

The Chinese penal system is harsh but nothing like Sharia.

And "forced" late term abortions is pretty much a fabrication of the pro-life community. It's not permitted by law, but in a state where the local officials have as much power as they do in China there are occasional abuses. Having too many kids carries a substantial financial penalty, that's all.

A simple test: I have been in various police states, and even had a run-in with the law in one. They are uniformly identifiable by the fear of any police contact the average person has. Consider our run-in with the law--our actual dealings with the police were hard only because of the language barrier. (The discussion ended up being in German, a language which both the officer and my mother spoke poorly and which my father couldn't meaningfully contribute.) We were able to show it was their own official that had goofed and since we didn't speak the language we couldn't even catch it. Now for the hard part--we were supposed to fill out a report. In Hungarian. Big problems--nobody was willing to translate because it was a police matter. Finally a Viennese businessman overheard our problems and helped--he knew we weren't going to find a local willing to help.

Contrast that with China: Every trip of ours over there these days involves a stop at the local police station to fill out a form. Various relatives have been with us during the registration, none have been worried about stepping into the lion's den. (Note: The typical tourist doesn't need to do this as their hotel takes care of it for them. If you're not in a hotel, though, you have to do it yourself.) Or contrast it with the encounter we witnessed in the marketplace: Due to a misunderstanding a guy selling pornographic DVDs (note: illegal) got the notion that we were interested in buying some and was unhappy at seeing an imagined sale walking away and kept trying to get us to go to where his stuff was. A cop noticed this and shooed him off and he was talking back, not cowering like someone in a police state would.

Ah, yes, the experiences of tourists in countries hungry for western coin. Such an apt comparison.
 
Since it's news it pretty much has to be something recent and that says it must be Islam. Christianity and Judaism aren't that hardline these days.

You have never heard of Africa?

Heard of? I've been there.

And where in Africa are people going to be stoned for being gay--that is, in non-Muslim areas?
 
So before opening the thread how many of you correctly guessed "Islam" and how many still have their heads in the sand?
I guessed that Islamic State militants were responsible due to the act of forcing others to participate.

I don't think ISIL is all that religious an outfit. I think it touts a harsh, fundamentalist version of Islam as a matter of convenience. They get to terrorize the countryside while claiming to be righteous. They can condemn anyone who fails to fully support them as enemies of god. Whatever they want to do, not matter how venal or heinous, becomes 'the will of god'.

They're not the first to use religion this way, just the latest.
 
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You have never heard of Africa?

Heard of? I've been there.

And where in Africa are people going to be stoned for being gay--that is, in non-Muslim areas?

Here five Christian countries in Africa where it is punishable to be homosexual.

Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Burundi, Kenya. We also have Uganda where homosexuality is handled through life in prison or vigilante justice.

Your impotent hate for muslims sometimes blinds you that other people can be very shitty.
 
Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Burundi, Kenya.
Nigeria is 41% Muslim. From the wiki page
wikipedia said:
Child marriage remains common in Northern Nigeria.[206] Under the Shari'a penal code that applies to Muslims in twelve northern states, offences such as alcohol consumption, homosexuality, infidelity and theft carry harsh sentences, including amputation, lashing, stoning and long prison terms.[207]
Homosexuality might be illegal in Nigeria as a whole, but the penalties are much harsher in the Islamic North.
 
Nigeria is 41% Muslim. From the wiki page
wikipedia said:
Child marriage remains common in Northern Nigeria.[206] Under the Shari'a penal code that applies to Muslims in twelve northern states, offences such as alcohol consumption, homosexuality, infidelity and theft carry harsh sentences, including amputation, lashing, stoning and long prison terms.[207]
Homosexuality might be illegal in Nigeria as a whole, but the penalties are much harsher in the Islamic North.

Yes but the point I was making is that you and Loren are, as always, wrong.

It is not a uniquely Muslim or Christian thing it is a stupid third world thing.

BTW I just wrote out the first 5 Christian countries in Africa where it is punishable by jail it is not the whole list.
 
Uhm, no. I am just saying you can make fun of Christianity without having a knife sticking out of your back.

Anitra Braxton would disagree with you... although she used a gun because... you know... USA

Justin Green also allegedly thinks people who "make fun of Christianity" should be killed and buried.

Plenty of other Christians have murdered people for lack of belief or allegedly "making fun of Christianity"
 
Yes but the point I was making is that you and Loren are, as always, wrong.
No, it confirms we are right.
It is not a uniquely Muslim or Christian thing it is a stupid third world thing.
Yet, even in the "stupid third world" the Islamic part is significantly stupider and more backward. And btw, the European Left is determined to flood Europe with many millions from the "stupid third world" for some reason.

BTW I just wrote out the first 5 Christian countries in Africa where it is punishable by jail it is not the whole list.
If you look at the world map of how illegal homosexuality there is a pretty strong correlation with predominately Islamic countries. It is not a perfect correlation, but then nobody claimed it was.
 
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