The shooting of Keith Lamont Scott, and aftermath

[Derec]

The school bus stops are chosen based on the maximal accessibility of individuals, so the apartment building is an obvious choice for a stop.

They are also chosen to be well within walking distance for the kids. Around here they stop at every apartment complex.

Which part of that hour long video that you linked established the ownership of the apartment? Surely the family could have gone to an apartment that a friend or relative lived in.

Did she waive a lease at the camera at any point? Don't think so, although I did skip quite a bit. I did not see anything that would lead me to believe it is not their place though.

Why you're so hung up on this point is curious. If he wanted to pick up his son and drive him 1/4 of a mile or 14 feet is irrelevant.

It's strange behavior and thus a legitimate question. Why are you so hung up on disputing it?

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Kind if hard to NOT have some kind of criminal record when one is part of a community that is continually harassed by police, looking for excuses to arrest someone.

More excuses for violent criminal behavior of black people. Your attitude is basically enabling criminal behavior by black people by saying "it's not their fault". That's bullshit!

 

[Derec]

I'm surprised that you're surprised by this.

I don't live in a trailer park. Also, if somebody shot one of these people I'd be asking the same question as it would seem as weird to me as Scott's actions.

You have a very long history of criminal conduct in prostitution that you discuss publicly.

Are you filling in for Frikki this week or what? This is normally his obsession.
What I do is no different than gay people having sex before Lawrence v. Texas. I would not hold it against a gay person that he or she was sexually active in a state where such conduct was illegal. That is very different than a history of crimes that should be crimes like this guy had: assaults, drunk driving, evading arrest and shooting somebody for which he served a felony sentence.

Although you've never served time for it (white privilege?)

And if a gay person was sexually active before Lawrence do you attribute their lack of arrests to "gay privilege"?

If you're ever shot, we'll know it was a "good shoot" because of your record of criminal behavior.

Consensual sex I have has nothing to do with likelihood of me confronting police with a gun. Scott's history of violent crime does.

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So does Shelby's history of domestic disputes, hypocritical drug use, harassment of her husbands ex-wives, and numerous complaints of excessive force factor into your thoughts at all?
Lets hear it.

Perhaps you should ask that question in the proper thread.

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They are black. That tells them everything they feel they need to know.

Bull-fucking-shit!

Shelby is hardly the first shooting cop to have a record, either. The shooter of Tamir Rice had a lengthy record hidden behind his badge. Oddly, Loren and Derec did not draw any conclusions from it.

Never heard that. Citation needed.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Consensual sex I have has nothing to do with likelihood of me confronting police with a gun. Scott's history of violent crime does.

That is not mutually exclusive with criminal behavior and it is indeed criminal behavior on your part. We don't have to discuss whether it's consensual etc etc. No debate necessary. The issue is that it DOES increase the probability of police contact which by its very nature also increases probability of police contact with a gun. Sure, it's true that you'd expect probability to be less than someone with history of violent crime...but if you are in such a situation and you don't comply out of either thinking you have constitutional rights not to or just out of stupidity (you didn't hear right or are drunk) you endanger yourself. What someone is probably trying to do is teach you through your own introspection about empathy and how to apply it in this case. You're refusing to learn anything about it.

 

[Rhea]

I don't live in a trailer park. Also, if somebody shot one of these people I'd be asking the same question as it would seem as weird to me as Scott's actions.

What seems weird to _you_ does not have any connection with what is generally normal.
There are many things that seem weird to me but are not actually weird.

You have a very long history of criminal conduct in prostitution that you discuss publicly.

What I do is no different than

Indeed.

Shelby is hardly the first shooting cop to have a record, either. The shooter of Tamir Rice had a lengthy record hidden behind his badge. Oddly, Loren and Derec did not draw any conclusions from it.

Never heard that. Citation needed.

http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/the-man-who-killed-tamir-rice/

You never heard ANY discussion about the record of this "cop"? Wow. It was everywhere. I'm amazed that you were able to overlook it so completely.
And shocked, shocked, I tell you! that you didn't even care to look. Don't you have an intense need to examine the past record of both sides involved? No? Just the one side? Imagine that. Look what you missed. Ponder what else you might have missed in many other of the incidents.

 

[Angry Floof]

http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/the-man-who-killed-tamir-rice/

You never heard ANY discussion about the record of this "cop"? Wow. It was everywhere. I'm amazed that you were able to overlook it so completely.
And shocked, shocked, I tell you! that you didn't even care to look. Don't you have an intense need to examine the past record of both sides involved? No? Just the one side? Imagine that. Look what you missed. Ponder what else you might have missed in many other of the incidents.

Could the blind spot be any bigger (or better armed and badged)?

Some people take respectin' authoritah to whole new levels.

 

[laughing dog]

Maybe they had to go somewhere? You are wasting your time with stuff you have absolutely no idea about.

That's why I am asking the question. Because I don't know. Duh!

You really are not fooling anyone but yourself with these inane irrelevancies.

 

[laughing dog]

Never heard that. Citation needed.

No irrelevant fact about a black shooting victim is too small for you to ferret out and air. But you never bothered to look around about the records of the white shooters? You really are not fooling anyone but yourself with these revealing responses.

 

[Sea of red]

I don't live in a trailer park. Also, if somebody shot one of these people I'd be asking the same question as it would seem as weird to me as Scott's actions.

You have a very long history of criminal conduct in prostitution that you discuss publicly.

Are you filling in for Frikki this week or what? This is normally his obsession.
What I do is no different than gay people having sex before Lawrence v. Texas. I would not hold it against a gay person that he or she was sexually active in a state where such conduct was illegal. That is very different than a history of crimes that should be crimes like this guy had: assaults, drunk driving, evading arrest and shooting somebody for which he served a felony sentence.

Although you've never served time for it (white privilege?)

And if a gay person was sexually active before Lawrence do you attribute their lack of arrests to "gay privilege"?

If you're ever shot, we'll know it was a "good shoot" because of your record of criminal behavior.

Consensual sex I have has nothing to do with likelihood of me confronting police with a gun. Scott's history of violent crime does.

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So does Shelby's history of domestic disputes, hypocritical drug use, harassment of her husbands ex-wives, and numerous complaints of excessive force factor into your thoughts at all?
Lets hear it.

Perhaps you should ask that question in the proper thread.

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They are black. That tells them everything they feel they need to know.

Bull-fucking-shit!

Shelby is hardly the first shooting cop to have a record, either. The shooter of Tamir Rice had a lengthy record hidden behind his badge. Oddly, Loren and Derec did not draw any conclusions from it.

Never heard that. Citation needed.

So what if this guy has a criminal record? So does Shelby - by her own admission. The severity of his past is of no concern of yours, nor should you feel entitled to judge him. He went to jail and served his time like he was supposed to. That's not an easy thing for anybody to go through I'm sure, and it ought to go a long way. When he walked out of jail, he was to be afforded the same benefit of the doubt as you or I - not a separate class of citizen.

I've used drugs, you've fucked prostitutes, others on this board have done worse, or even been arrested for stuff. Most of us have broken the law in some way or another but we all hope that if we were caught police would only arrest us, not brutal beat us or take our lives. Things like drunk driving, using drugs, partying with some escorts, or even running from police is not sufficient enough reason for cops to use lethal force. Lethal force is to be used by police in cases of self-defense or anothers life being threatened, and for no other reason.

It's a tiresome red herring. Do you think someones criminal past would help us get off a murder charge if we killed that person unjustly, and it could be shown? No. When cops do the same it should be no different; in many cases victims of police brutality have no arrest record anyways. When police shoot someone for any reason other than self or public safety it's a crime, THEY become criminals, and they should have to face the music like any other murderer.

 

[Malintent]

The biggest trouble with these shootings is if the victim was in the wrong, the family doesn't say so ('my baby only had thoughts of Jesus in his heart'). If the Police Officer(s) was in the wrong, the Police don't really say so ('the guy charged him, he thought he was a 600 lb gorilla on purple drank... and he had a sidewalk slab in his hands!'). There is a rigid wall between the two and it just makes every shooting suspect.

Absolutely. Great point. Polarization on issues like this only obscures true justice.

That is simply the nature of our adversarial court system. Civil or criminal, two sides make the best effort they can to win.
There is no penalty for an attorney making an, "unsubstantiated, knowingly false, argument"... in fact, the most successful ones practice that to an art.

 

[Malintent]

I don't live in a trailer park. Also, if somebody shot one of these people I'd be asking the same question as it would seem as weird to me as Scott's actions.


Are you filling in for Frikki this week or what? This is normally his obsession.
What I do is no different than gay people having sex before Lawrence v. Texas. I would not hold it against a gay person that he or she was sexually active in a state where such conduct was illegal. That is very different than a history of crimes that should be crimes like this guy had: assaults, drunk driving, evading arrest and shooting somebody for which he served a felony sentence.

Although you've never served time for it (white privilege?)

And if a gay person was sexually active before Lawrence do you attribute their lack of arrests to "gay privilege"?

If you're ever shot, we'll know it was a "good shoot" because of your record of criminal behavior.

Consensual sex I have has nothing to do with likelihood of me confronting police with a gun. Scott's history of violent crime does.

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So does Shelby's history of domestic disputes, hypocritical drug use, harassment of her husbands ex-wives, and numerous complaints of excessive force factor into your thoughts at all?
Lets hear it.

Perhaps you should ask that question in the proper thread.

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They are black. That tells them everything they feel they need to know.

Bull-fucking-shit!

Shelby is hardly the first shooting cop to have a record, either. The shooter of Tamir Rice had a lengthy record hidden behind his badge. Oddly, Loren and Derec did not draw any conclusions from it.

Never heard that. Citation needed.

So what if this guy has a criminal record? So does Shelby - by her own admission. The severity of his past is of no concern of yours, nor should you feel entitled to judge him. He went to jail and served his time like he was supposed to. That's not an easy thing for anybody to go through I'm sure, and it ought to go a long way. When he walked out of jail, he was to be afforded the same benefit of the doubt as you or I - not a separate class of citizen.

I've used drugs, you've fucked prostitutes, others on this board have done worse, or even been arrested for stuff. Most of us have broken the law in some way or another but we all hope that if we were caught police would only arrest us, not brutal beat us or take our lives. Things like drunk driving, using drugs, partying with some escorts, or even running from police is not sufficient enough reason for cops to use lethal force. Lethal force is to be used by police in cases of self-defense or anothers life being threatened, and for no other reason.

It's a tiresome red herring. Do you think someones criminal past would help us get off a murder charge if we killed that person unjustly, and it could be shown? No. When cops do the same it should be no different; in many cases victims of police brutality have no arrest record anyways. When police shoot someone for any reason other than self or public safety it's a crime, THEY become criminals, and they should have to face the music like any other murderer.

The issue at hand is not one about treating ex-cons poorly, it is about the encounters that occur at the time they are detained. No one was shot "for speeding", the get shot for, "posing a threat to the safety of officers while being detained for speeding".

So, all of "us" that may have had a run in with the law and avoided getting shot... did any of you act like a complete asshole that was ready to pull a weapon, run, or take a hostage.. or completely ignore officers repeated orders to simply stop moving? anyone, anyone?

Please, if you have been detained, and then proceeded to try to assault the officer, did you experience "gentle and considerate soft-handling" or did you get taken down like the animal you were acting like?

Waiting to hear the crickets on that...

 

[Deepak]

I don't live in a trailer park. Also, if somebody shot one of these people I'd be asking the same question as it would seem as weird to me as Scott's actions.


Are you filling in for Frikki this week or what? This is normally his obsession.
What I do is no different than gay people having sex before Lawrence v. Texas. I would not hold it against a gay person that he or she was sexually active in a state where such conduct was illegal. That is very different than a history of crimes that should be crimes like this guy had: assaults, drunk driving, evading arrest and shooting somebody for which he served a felony sentence.

Although you've never served time for it (white privilege?)

And if a gay person was sexually active before Lawrence do you attribute their lack of arrests to "gay privilege"?

If you're ever shot, we'll know it was a "good shoot" because of your record of criminal behavior.

Consensual sex I have has nothing to do with likelihood of me confronting police with a gun. Scott's history of violent crime does.

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So does Shelby's history of domestic disputes, hypocritical drug use, harassment of her husbands ex-wives, and numerous complaints of excessive force factor into your thoughts at all?
Lets hear it.

Perhaps you should ask that question in the proper thread.

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They are black. That tells them everything they feel they need to know.

Bull-fucking-shit!

Shelby is hardly the first shooting cop to have a record, either. The shooter of Tamir Rice had a lengthy record hidden behind his badge. Oddly, Loren and Derec did not draw any conclusions from it.

Never heard that. Citation needed.

So what if this guy has a criminal record? So does Shelby - by her own admission. The severity of his past is of no concern of yours, nor should you feel entitled to judge him. He went to jail and served his time like he was supposed to. That's not an easy thing for anybody to go through I'm sure, and it ought to go a long way. When he walked out of jail, he was to be afforded the same benefit of the doubt as you or I - not a separate class of citizen.

I've used drugs, you've fucked prostitutes, others on this board have done worse, or even been arrested for stuff. Most of us have broken the law in some way or another but we all hope that if we were caught police would only arrest us, not brutal beat us or take our lives. Things like drunk driving, using drugs, partying with some escorts, or even running from police is not sufficient enough reason for cops to use lethal force. Lethal force is to be used by police in cases of self-defense or anothers life being threatened, and for no other reason.

It's a tiresome red herring. Do you think someones criminal past would help us get off a murder charge if we killed that person unjustly, and it could be shown? No. When cops do the same it should be no different; in many cases victims of police brutality have no arrest record anyways. When police shoot someone for any reason other than self or public safety it's a crime, THEY become criminals, and they should have to face the music like any other murderer.

The issue at hand is not one about treating ex-cons poorly, it is about the encounters that occur at the time they are detained. No one was shot "for speeding", the get shot for, "posing a threat to the safety of officers while being detained for speeding".

So, all of "us" that may have had a run in with the law and avoided getting shot... did any of you act like a complete asshole that was ready to pull a weapon, run, or take a hostage.. or completely ignore officers repeated orders to simply stop moving? anyone, anyone?

Please, if you have been detained, and then proceeded to try to assault the officer, did you experience "gentle and considerate soft-handling" or did you get taken down like the animal you were acting like?

Waiting to hear the crickets on that...

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66iIWuB-TVY[/YOUTUBE]

 

[ZiprHead]

Cell phone video of the shooting just released shot by the wife. You cannot see the actual shooting itself but something very strange is in it. The still photo shown by the police showing a gun laying on the ground near the body is very damning. The problem is that that gun is NOT present in the cell phone video. So how does the gun get there in the still shot?

 

[crispy]

Maybe they had to go somewhere? You are wasting your time with stuff you have absolutely no idea about.

That's why I am asking the question. Because I don't know. Duh!

But you do claim to know, since you are saying its strange that he's waiting, even if there can be perfectly good explanations.

 

[laughing dog]

So, all of "us" that may have had a run in with the law and avoided getting shot... did any of you act like a complete asshole that was ready to pull a weapon, run, or take a hostage.. or completely ignore officers repeated orders to simply stop moving? anyone, anyone?

Since when is acting like a complete asshole by refusing to stop moving an immediate capital offense without a trial or an appeal?



Waiting to hear the crickets on that...

 

[Nice Squirrel]

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/exclus...harlotte-shooting-of-keith-scott-771901507743

Warning: Graphic footage of shooting.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You don't open-carry a gun in hand when facing the police whether you are white, black or polka-dotted.

Remember that video from a while back purporting to show the different reaction from the police when faced with a white or black person doing open carry? The people who made that video clearly knew there wasn't a problem and so they staged it--they had their actors carry the guns differently.

Remember that time a black kid in an open carry case had a toy gun in his belt and two police officers gunned him to death even though he had nothing in his hand? If you don't, the victim's name was Tamir Rice.

Remember that black "kid" was big enough to look adult.

The gun was realistic enough to fool the cops.

And his hand went for it--in hindsight, probably to ditch it but that's absolutely the wrong thing to do in a case like that.

Can you tell real from fake?

http://uniformstories.com/police/quizzes/can-you-tell-whether-a-gun-is-real-or-fake

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Cell phone video of the shooting just released shot by the wife. You cannot see the actual shooting itself but something very strange is in it. The still photo shown by the police showing a gun laying on the ground near the body is very damning. The problem is that that gun is NOT present in the cell phone video. So how does the gun get there in the still shot?

Note that the phone isn't looking at the scene at the time.

Cops normally kick away dropped guns so there's no way the bad guy can reach them.

 

[Angry Floof]

Saying it looked real enough to fool the cops is not saying anything. When they're in their predatory red zone at the sight of a black person, they can't even tell a fucking book is not a gun.

 

[laughing dog]

Remember that time a black kid in an open carry case had a toy gun in his belt and two police officers gunned him to death even though he had nothing in his hand? If you don't, the victim's name was Tamir Rice.

Remember that black "kid" was big enough to look adult.

The gun was realistic enough to fool the cops.

The police could not even see the fire arm. And Tamir Rice had nothing in his hand when he was shot. That is the reality.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Hardly.

You are trying to use prior bad acts to excuse a preconceived belief you have made all to clear that you hold. Black men never get the benefit of the doubt when shot because they all are predisposed to bad behavior, dangerous behavior, behavior worthy of summary execution.

No, they are not all predisposed to bad behavior, but those with lengthy criminal record that includes violent crimes and a felony are. Of course, you want to muddle the waters by playing the race card.

Well you know who else has prior bad acts?

Cop Who Shot Terence Crutcher Has History Of Drug Use, Domestic Disturbances

Wrong thread. Although her history likely played a role in her getting charged that quickly. So, yes, history matters, although hers wasn't nearly as bad as Keith Scott's.

She is a woman, so you can always hate on her too, like you usually do.

Baseless accusation. Like almost everything re you write.

No, you are wrong, again.

Your lack of self awareness of how how bigoted you are with regards to black people (and women of all colors) surprises no one, but you have left a trail of over a decade of posts where you habitually seek out any excuse to blame black people and women for what white people and men do to them.

No this is not the wrong thread and I will tell you why. BY YOUR OWN DEBATING TECHNIQUES, any incident can be used to make a point about any other incident, case in point, you continual harping on the case of Michael Brown. I'll bet just my mentioning the name Michael Brown makes you little fingers itch to type something about him right now.

Nothing i have said is baseless. But if you want to try to prove that it is, all you have to do is show all the many posts you have made over the years where you defended black victims of shootings or female victims of rape.