Why is God at war with it's creation?

[Syed]

why didn't other apes invent writing. reading language?

Other primates have developed means of communication that suit their needs. What we perceive to be a smile is (in their language) a display of aggression.

if we human had not learned to speak, to write and to read we would had not survived as specie ?

how can we have ability to write, read before we invented ?

People who lived 5000 years ago had the mental capacity ("ability") to develop digital electronics, satellites, television and smart phones. .

how about people who lived BEFORE 5000 years ago had the mental capacity ("ability")to develop digital electronics, satellites, television and smart phones?

 

[Lion IRC]

Syed,
Are you suggesting there is something very interesting about the fact that our brains are capable of such amazing inventions even though we aren't aware of this beforehand? I agree with you.
It is incredible that we are born with brains that are capable of such things we wouldn't believe.
Like Atheos and Ford said, if we take a caveman baby from 10,000 years ago and bring him/her to the year 2017 and raise them like a normal kid, they can easily grow up understanding computers and smart phones and space travel etc.
And why is it that caveman baby brain is so advanced with so much unused capacity they don't realise.
Maybe the same is true of OUR brain in 2017. Maybe we could travel forward in time to see astonishing (miraculous) technology and learn that it is not "supernatural" but quite natural.

Maybe miracles like Jesus performed can be understood only once our caveman baby brains travel forward in time away from our primitive, limited understanding (skepticism)

 

[Keith&Co.]

if we human had not learned to speak, to write and to read we would had not survived as specie ?

That's incorrect. The fact that we took _A_ path to survival does not mean it was the ONLY path to survival.
It's what we hit on and it worked for us. Other choices might also have worked.

 

[Syed]

Syed,
Are you suggesting there is something very interesting about the fact that our brains are capable of such amazing inventions even though we aren't aware of this beforehand? I agree with you.

which come first brain's capability to invent computer or after we invented computer?

do we NEED computer for our survivor as evolution's suggested ?

god created our SUPER brain ( super computer ) , we are just learning how to use our super computer ( brain ) as time goes by

if evolution is true we dont NEED brain capability to go to mars

if we take a caveman baby from 10,000 years ago and bring him/her to the year 2017 and raise them like a normal kid, they can easily grow up understanding computers and smart phones and space travel etc.
And why is it that caveman baby brain is so advanced with so much unused capacity they don't realise.

if evolution is true why caveman baby had advanced brain for what the reason?

Maybe the same is true of OUR brain in 2017. Maybe we could travel forward in time to see astonishing (miraculous) technology and learn that it is not "supernatural" but quite natural.

if species ONLY evolved to SURVIVED why is it our brain power growing to built NEW technology?

without GUIDED evolution make no sense

maybe god guide evolution of species, for example from adam to many race color of people

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

You're still stuck on this "need" thing, Syed. We didn't "need" to invent writing to survive, but the invention of writing directed our development towards the way we live today. But the way we live today was not an end in itself, so that we "needed" to develop that way or die out. I suppose it's just a religious way of thinking with you, a teleological mindset that thinks things happened as they did because they needed to, to lead up to the "now". It's the same mindset that thinks the planet was made to fit us, rather than us adapting to the conditions of the planet.

 

[Keith&Co.]

which come first brain's capability to invent computer or after we invented computer?

We're tool users.
We've been using more and more sophisticated tools to make more tools for a long time, now.
There's nothing particularly different in our brains between the ability to use a hammer and the ability to use a jackhammer.

if species ONLY evolved to SURVIVED why is it our brain power growing to built NEW technology?

That's just it, our brain's power isn't growing. Just our inventory. Your memory contains information on how things work, and your brain uses the knowledge you possess to solve problems. The knowledge is growing, the brain is not.

 

[Keith&Co.]

without GUIDED evolution make no sense

Not at all, Syed.
You can't understand how a biological process intentionally reached the goal of producing you and the world you live in.
But the reality is, the world you live in was not the goal of the last million years of evolution. It's the result, but there's no indication that it was intended at any point.

maybe god guide evolution of species, for example from adam to many race color of people

Adding a god's guiding hand to evolution may make you feel better about things, but it doesn't answer any scientific need to explain evolutionary processes.

 

[Atheos]

Other primates have developed means of communication that suit their needs. What we perceive to be a smile is (in their language) a display of aggression.

if we human had not learned to speak, to write and to read we would had not survived as specie ?

how can we have ability to write, read before we invented ?

People who lived 5000 years ago had the mental capacity ("ability") to develop digital electronics, satellites, television and smart phones. .

how about people who lived BEFORE 5000 years ago had the mental capacity ("ability")to develop digital electronics, satellites, television and smart phones?

People who say there is no such thing as a stupid question have evidently never visited this forum.

Dude, it would be impossible to say with absolute certainty the moment at which representatives of our ancestral lineage acquired the mental capacities necessary to develop the aforementioned technologies. I would guess (based on my lay knowledge of evolutionary theory) that for as long as there has been Homo Sapiens that capacity for technological advancement has existed on our planet. That would mean that for roughly 200,000 years the ability to create smart phones and the Internet lay dormant in our species.

On a side note, there are physical limits to how big our brains can get, something that keeps the evolutionary process in check. The two primary limits are (1) ability of females to birth larger and larger heads, and (2) ability of the brain to radiate the heat it generates and maintain a safe operating temperature. So unless we evolve an array of heat sinks on our skulls along with a major renovation to the birth canal to accommodate this radical modification, we're pretty close to the practical limit available to us. This is yet another fact of life that is part of evolutionary theory because it elegantly answers the question of why brain size has pretty much remained steady for so long.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Syed,
Are you suggesting there is something very interesting about the fact that our brains are capable of such amazing inventions even though we aren't aware of this beforehand? I agree with you.
It is incredible that we are born with brains that are capable of such things we wouldn't believe.
Like Atheos and Ford said, if we take a caveman baby from 10,000 years ago and bring him/her to the year 2017 and raise them like a normal kid, they can easily grow up understanding computers and smart phones and space travel etc.
And why is it that caveman baby brain is so advanced with so much unused capacity they don't realise.
Maybe the same is true of OUR brain in 2017. Maybe we could travel forward in time to see astonishing (miraculous) technology and learn that it is not "supernatural" but quite natural.

Maybe miracles like Jesus performed can be understood only once our caveman baby brains travel forward in time away from our primitive, limited understanding (skepticism)

Give me an example of something that isn't equally amazing, unbelievable, incredible, etc.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Syed,
Are you suggesting there is something very interesting about the fact that our brains are capable of such amazing inventions even though we aren't aware of this beforehand? I agree with you.
It is incredible that we are born with brains that are capable of such things we wouldn't believe.
Like Atheos and Ford said, if we take a caveman baby from 10,000 years ago and bring him/her to the year 2017 and raise them like a normal kid, they can easily grow up understanding computers and smart phones and space travel etc.
And why is it that caveman baby brain is so advanced with so much unused capacity they don't realise.
Maybe the same is true of OUR brain in 2017. Maybe we could travel forward in time to see astonishing (miraculous) technology and learn that it is not "supernatural" but quite natural.

Maybe miracles like Jesus performed can be understood only once our caveman baby brains travel forward in time away from our primitive, limited understanding (skepticism)

Well, that's just because the hunter-gatherers of that time needed to know a hell of a lot more in order to survive the day than we need to right now. They needed to know migratory patterns, weather signals, plant botany, weapon making, shelter building and a whole host of other skills necessary to live while lacking any kind of medium to transfer this knowledge to the next generation beyond just telling others about it and having them remember. The kind of intellectual levels needed for that can be transferred to learning the information needed for our society as well, which is far less complex and involved for most people and gives far less consequence if you and the people around you don't know it personally.

 

[bilby]

Syed,
Are you suggesting there is something very interesting about the fact that our brains are capable of such amazing inventions even though we aren't aware of this beforehand? I agree with you.
It is incredible that we are born with brains that are capable of such things we wouldn't believe.
Like Atheos and Ford said, if we take a caveman baby from 10,000 years ago and bring him/her to the year 2017 and raise them like a normal kid, they can easily grow up understanding computers and smart phones and space travel etc.
And why is it that caveman baby brain is so advanced with so much unused capacity they don't realise.
Maybe the same is true of OUR brain in 2017. Maybe we could travel forward in time to see astonishing (miraculous) technology and learn that it is not "supernatural" but quite natural.

Maybe miracles like Jesus performed can be understood only once our caveman baby brains travel forward in time away from our primitive, limited understanding (skepticism)

Well, that's just because the hunter-gatherers of that time needed to know a hell of a lot more in order to survive the day than we need to right now. They needed to know migratory patterns, weather signals, plant botany, weapon making, shelter building and a whole host of other skills necessary to live while lacking any kind of medium to transfer this knowledge to the next generation beyond just telling others about it and having them remember. The kind of intellectual levels needed for that can be transferred to learning the information needed for our society as well, which is far less complex and involved for most people and gives far less consequence if you and the people around you don't know it personally.

^This.

The human brain didn't have 'so much unused capacity' back then, nor does it have unused capacity now.

It just has the flexibility that allows its capacity to be used in different ways in different environments. Humans are generalists, rather than specialists. We are better suited to rapid change than specialist species - it is a trait that evolves when the environment is in flux. Species that evolved in more stable environments tend to become specialists; They can outcompete generalists - but when their environment does change, they go extinct.

 

[atrib]

if we human had not learned to speak, to write and to read we would had not survived as specie ?

What do you think? Every single species that exists on this planet other then humans survive despite not being able to read or write. Early humans going back many tens of thousands of years did not have the ability to read or write, but still managed to keep the species going.

how about people who lived BEFORE 5000 years ago had the mental capacity ("ability")to develop digital electronics, satellites, television and smart phones?

You are confusing technology with brain capacity. Anatomically modern humans have had the brain capacity to build computers for many thousands of years. But they lacked the knowledge to do so. You cannot build a computer without first discovering electricity. Science is an incremental process. We can fly to the moon today, but it was only a hundred years ago that man invented powered flight. As we gain more knowledge, we gain more control of the workings of the universe, which allows us to invent computers and other tools. This has nothing to do with the cranial capacity of modern humans, and everything to do with the fact that technological development takes time.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Here in the Christian West we have invented man flight, digital computers, satellites, telescope, quantum physics and more. Does that mean Moslems have stopped evolving?

 

[Elixir]

Here in the Christian West we have invented man flight, digital computers, satellites, telescope, quantum physics and more. Does that mean Moslems have stopped evolving?

Yes, they stopped evolving when they invented Zero.

 

[bilby]

Here in the Christian West we have invented man flight, digital computers, satellites, telescope, quantum physics and more. Does that mean Moslems have stopped evolving?

Yes, they stopped evolving when they invented Zero.

They were doing fine, until they divided by it.

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

Here in the Christian West we have invented man flight, digital computers, satellites, telescope, quantum physics and more. Does that mean Moslems have stopped evolving?

Yes, they stopped evolving when they invented Zero.

You mean when they were taught about zero by the Indians, who invented it?

 

[Learner]

Credit can be given to a quite a range of peoples contributing to the accumated knowledge known to us now, I say obviously. We can give credit to the East for maths and the alphabet.

 

[Syed]

You're still stuck on this "need" thing, Syed. We didn't "need" to invent writing to survive, .

do birds NEED wing to survive?

 

[Keith&Co.]

You're still stuck on this "need" thing, Syed. We didn't "need" to invent writing to survive, .

do birds NEED wing to survive?

Still flogging the dead horse.
some birds have evolved away from flight, so, no.

 

[Syed]

do birds NEED wing to survive?

Still flogging the dead horse.
some birds have evolved away from flight, so, no.

so why did bird learned to fly?