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If he could get elected with the information that is public, it's hard to fathom what private information would hurt him if it were exposed. Unless it's criminal behavior, Trump lives and breathes derogatory all day long.
Nothing really hits this home more than that picture of the one woman with the shirt saying "Trump can grab my pussy".

And in looking for that image, I found a couple more. :(

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If he could get elected with the information that is public, it's hard to fathom what private information would hurt him if it were exposed. Unless it's criminal behavior, Trump lives and breathes derogatory all day long.

Nah.

Trump only works because he's larger than life, a dude so rich he can get away with this.

All anyone would really need to do is show that he isn't some business master, but a deeply in debt dude who is only solvent because of Russian government cash?

Instant loser
 
All anyone would really need to do is show that he isn't some business master, but a deeply in debt dude who is only solvent because of Russian government cash...

Zero effect. All he has to do is pronounce it "Fake News" and his adoring idiot followers will roundly condemn Obama and Hillary for it.
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-economic-forum-putin-cyber-idUSKBN18S56Y

President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that patriotic Russian hackers may have staged cyber attacks against countries that had strained relations with Moscow on their own initiative, but said the Russian state had never been involved in such hacking.
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"If they (hackers) are patriotically-minded, they start to make their own contribution to what they believe is the good fight against those who speak badly about Russia. Is that possible? Theoretically it is possible," said Putin.
Hmmm... :consternation1:
 
(CNN)Fired FBI director James Comey plans to testify publicly in the Senate as early as next week to confirm bombshell accusations that President Donald Trump pressured him to end his investigation into a top Trump aide's ties to Russia, a source close to the issue said Wednesday.

Final details are still being worked out and no official date for his testimony has been set. Comey is expected to appear before the Senate Intelligence Committee, which is investigating possible connections between the Trump campaign and Russia during last year's presidential election.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/31/politics/fbi-comey-testimony/
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-economic-forum-putin-cyber-idUSKBN18S56Y

President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that patriotic Russian hackers may have staged cyber attacks against countries that had strained relations with Moscow on their own initiative, but said the Russian state had never been involved in such hacking.
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"If they (hackers) are patriotically-minded, they start to make their own contribution to what they believe is the good fight against those who speak badly about Russia. Is that possible? Theoretically it is possible," said Putin.
Hmmm... :consternation1:

The song remains the same. Apr. 16, 2015 - Putin: 'I will say this clearly: There are no Russian troops in Ukraine' - Business Insider

During Putin's end-of-year press conference in December, a Ukrainian journalist asked him how many soldiers he sent to Ukraine. Putin responded by saying Russian soldiers in eastern Ukraine were volunteers and couldn't be called mercenaries because they were not paid.
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-economic-forum-putin-cyber-idUSKBN18S56Y

President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that patriotic Russian hackers may have staged cyber attacks against countries that had strained relations with Moscow on their own initiative, but said the Russian state had never been involved in such hacking.
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"If they (hackers) are patriotically-minded, they start to make their own contribution to what they believe is the good fight against those who speak badly about Russia. Is that possible? Theoretically it is possible," said Putin.
Hmmm... :consternation1:

And you say Putin controls everything in Russia :)
 
When a ventriloquist tells you that a creepy dummy is speaking on its own, do you believe him?
 
Let's suppose Putin is telling the complete truth here. If that is the case then It is quite telling that Putin has been convinced by all the evidence that Russian hackers infiltrated the DNC servers. But this is the exact same evidence that has been disavowed by patriotic Russian fans in this forum as "nothing" and "no evidence". But this is TALK FREETHOUGHT. We expect people to have open minds here. Putin is obviously a man with a mind much more open to fairly evaluating evidence and coming to it's obvious conclusions than his flock of fawning sycophants.

There is a lesson to be learned here.
 
Let's suppose Putin is telling the complete truth here.
Well, I think he is telling the truth there.
If that is the case then It is quite telling that Putin has been convinced by all the evidence that Russian hackers infiltrated the DNC servers.
Get on with a program, DNC servers were not hacked.
But this is the exact same evidence that has been disavowed by patriotic Russian fans in this forum as "nothing" and "no evidence".
I don't know about others and I am not a patriotic Russian fan but when I say "russians" I mean "russian government" It could be russian hackers but they are not connected to the government in meaningful way. But Russian security are known for looking the other way when it suits them. This is I believe what Putin is simply admitting here. I disagree with this mode of operation but I believe most government do that to a different degrees, certainly the ones which are active in foreign politics. There was a story about a russian hacker which runs largest email spam botnet. Government does not bother him at all in Russia.
But this is TALK FREETHOUGHT. We expect people to have open minds here. Putin is obviously a man with a mind much more open to fairly evaluating evidence and coming to it's obvious conclusions than his flock of fawning sycophants.

There is a lesson to be learned here.
 
Meanwhile, at the beginning of the administration...
article said:
Unknown to the public at the time, top Trump administration officials, almost as soon as they took office, tasked State Department staffers with developing proposals for the lifting of economic sanctions, the return of diplomatic compounds and other steps to relieve tensions with Moscow.
These efforts to relax or remove punitive measures imposed by President Obama in retaliation for Russia’s intervention in Ukraine and meddling in the 2016 election alarmed some State Department officials, who immediately began lobbying congressional leaders to quickly pass legislation to block the move, the sources said.

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Since this was the same State Department bureau that had helped develop the punitive measures in the first place, and actively pushed for them under the leadership of Assistant Secretary Victoria Nuland, who had just resigned, the tasking order left staffers feeling “deeply uncomfortable,” said one source, who asked not to be identified.


These concerns led some department officials to also reach out to Malinowski, an Obama political appointee who had just stepped down. Malinowski said he, like Fried, called Cardin and other congressional allies, including aides to Sen. John McCain, and urged them to codify the sanctions — effectively locking them in place — before Trump could lift them
The lobbying effort produced some immediate results
 
Putin interviewed by NBC about alleged interference where I thought he did extremely well.

Because he didn't break down and admit it? That's a low bar.

Talking serpent misleads Eve. Film at 11.

Anyway, here's the latest...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/florida-election-hack/index.html

Federal investigators believe Russian hackers were behind cyberattacks on a contractor for Florida's election system that may have exposed the personal data of Florida voters, according to US officials briefed on the probe.

FBI investigators believe the the hacks and attempted intrusions of state election sites were carried out by hackers working for Russian intelligence.
The cyberattacks on election registration sites are focused on parts of the US election system that wouldn't affect the votes cast or the vote counts, according to US officials. Instead, the intruders are targeting registration systems.

Like a Circus hosting a nudist wrestling match in a battle royale format with contestants covered in glue while cannons shoot glitter all over them, and the losers are thrown into a flaming alligator pit, there's nothing to see here. Nothing at all.
 
Just my opinion about this thread. We should move past whether the hacking took place or not, and if so who was responsible. We know this happened. We saw it happen in real time. The information is out there, easily accessible and it's perverse to deny this reality.

There are very few things consistent about Trump, as we all know. What I find interesting is what he IS consistent about, and that is his praise for Putin. What I also find curious is that if Putin's goal was to destabilize the U.S., bring question as to the government's legitimacy, and weaken NATO, it's working quite well.

It's funny because Trump often seems concerned people are laughing at him. No one is having a good belly laugh like the Russians right now. Their operation was spectacularly successful and is paying off in spades. The US is close to a constitutional crisis with either a puppet or a complete moron at the helm (maybe both). The greed of a party that doesn't deserve to be in power is crippling our checks and balances to some extent, our government is far from efficient in message or action. We've lost the confidence of our allies, and our various government departments are squaring off against each other.

If we weren't already so polarized and without charity, this type of operation couldn't have worked as well as it has. FOX news being the propaganda arm of the GOP has really fucked our nation guys.

Now, THIS has surfaced. Although there's no definitive conclusion on actual vote tallies, it does show that the Russians did penetrate further than we thought and that they were responsible. Also, the leaker for this report has been arrested.
 
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