Unfortunately for the Trump family, Intelligence is heritable

[barbos]

Nope, they were not hacked. Podesta email account was phished. So start over.

Emails were stolen. Move the fuck on from your pedantry!

My pedantry? that's rich, coming from you.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Emails were stolen. Move the fuck on from your pedantry!

My pedantry? that's rich, coming from you.

So you have nothing to actually contribute here. You want to continue believing in some wildly convoluted theory that involves disconnected people trying to influence legislation with a person who'd have no access to power. So have at it.

 

[ronburgundy]

Anyhow, it does reflect badly on Drumph family. But as far as Russian interference it seems woman used false pretenses to lure that idiot to discuss something else. She denies offering dirt on Clinton and says it was misunderstanding on Trump's part. If this is a best lead in "russia did it" then investigation is in trouble.

Russia didn't need to do anything for Trump to be guilty. All that matters is that Trump tried collude with Russia, and this essentially proves that he did. If you steal a wallet an its turns out to be empty, the crime is the same.

 

[Elixir]

Anyhow, it does reflect badly on Drumph family. But as far as Russian interference it seems woman used false pretenses to lure that idiot to discuss something else. She denies offering dirt on Clinton and says it was misunderstanding on Trump's part. If this is a best lead in "russia did it" then investigation is in trouble.

Russia didn't need to do anything for Trump to be guilty. All that matters is that Trump tried collude with Russia, and this essentially proves that he did. If you steal a wallet an its turns out to be empty, the crime is the same.

Barbos isn't concerned about Trump - he's just trying to make sure nobody blames Russia for anything.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Anyhow, it does reflect badly on Drumph family. But as far as Russian interference it seems woman used false pretenses to lure that idiot to discuss something else. She denies offering dirt on Clinton and says it was misunderstanding on Trump's part. If this is a best lead in "russia did it" then investigation is in trouble.

Russia didn't need to do anything for Trump to be guilty. All that matters is that Trump tried collude with Russia, and this essentially proves that he did. If you steal a wallet an its turns out to be empty, the crime is the same.

And seeing that stolen DNC and Podesta emails were actually released, this (along with the established Trump aversion to telling the truth) really puts into doubt that this meeting didn't begin direct collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

We know something happened in June/July that lit a fire under the CIA/FBI. I think this meeting or the result from this meeting was that catalyst.

 

[Deepak]

Emails were stolen. Move the fuck on from your pedantry!

My pedantry? that's rich, coming from you.

Of course your pedantry - spoofing attacks, which encompass phishing are a means to get access to systems by illicit means, which would fit the category of hacking (or cracking if you really want to be pedantic).

By your token rootkits, man-in-the-middle, and password brute forcing don't qualify as hacking because they have specific terms to describe the attack. It's a nonsense argument.

 

[Elixir]

My pedantry? that's rich, coming from you.

Of course your pedantry - spoofing attacks, which encompass phishing are a means to get access to systems by illicit means, which would fit the category of hacking (or cracking if you really want to be pedantic).

By your token rootkits, man-in-the-middle, and password brute forcing don't qualify as hacking because they have specific terms to describe the attack. It's a nonsense argument.

I read on Facebook that you should not accept a friend request from Lizzie Borden - you'll get hacked.
But what I really wanted to say is that this thread should be titled "Unfortunately for the Trump family, Stupidity is heritable"

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I understand that, but the the law is badly written and hard to follow in today's world. Every presidential campaign in any country involves digging dirt on each other. Why should the source of the dirt be only local?

I don't know the legal history here. But essentially, the idea is to prevent foreign states from influencing American elections. The point is, though, that now the Democrats have something concrete.

And as far as I'm concerned the only proper remedy is to void the advantage he got. Trump/Pence is voided from the ballot, Hillary wins.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Okay barbos. I understand you have your Russia glasses on, but here is the thing.

1) The DNC was hacked.

Nope, they were not hacked. Podesta email account was phished. So start over.

And phishing isn't a form of hacking?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't know the legal history here. But essentially, the idea is to prevent foreign states from influencing American elections. The point is, though, that now the Democrats have something concrete.

And as far as I'm concerned the only proper remedy is to void the advantage he got. Trump/Pence is voided from the ballot, Hillary wins.

I'm pretty certain the Constitution does not offer that remedy. In fact, I'm pretty certain it'd take a while to reach a Democrat to become President the Constitutional way. You get rid of Trump and Pence, that gives us Ryan, then fucking Hatch.

What is even worse is that this stolen election got the Republican a SCOTUS justice. There is no end to the wrong that is what happened here.

 

[J842P]

And as far as I'm concerned the only proper remedy is to void the advantage he got. Trump/Pence is voided from the ballot, Hillary wins.

I'm pretty certain the Constitution does not offer that remedy. In fact, I'm pretty certain it'd take a while to reach a Democrat to become President the Constitutional way. You get rid of Trump and Pence, that gives us Ryan, then fucking Hatch.

What is even worse is that this stolen election got the Republican a SCOTUS justice. There is no end to the wrong that is what happened here.

Eh. On the scale of 1-10, I give this somewhere on the low 2-3 in terms of severity. For fuck's sake, Reagan got the Iranians to hold on to the hostages until *after* the election was over. Interesting that this isn't brought up more often. I would consider that a 10 - using foreign service members held hostage by an overtly hostile government as pawns in your political games.

And really, I doubt that the Podesta leaks had much of a material effect on the election. I mean, this is a party that seriously floated "Have you seen the other guys?" as A slogan. The problems were deeper than a email leak.

These are the people that argued that the decades of propagandizing against Hillary was actually a good thing, an advantage! We'll win over a bunch of Republicans for sure! Them having been conditioned to see Hillary as Evil Incarnate will HELP.

The failure to win was a combination of arrogance, incompetence (the fact that Podesta fell for a phishing attack speaks volumes to that), and a deeply-held conviction that the world couldn't possibly dislike them more than Trump, the guy was mean to Mexicans, after all!

Indeed. They couldn't even get the Hispanic vote over what they got with Romney. And people think the leaks are what broke the camel's back!

The election wasn't stolen. It was lost.

 

[Elixir]

Eh. On the scale of 1-10, I give this somewhere on the low 2-3 in terms of severity. For fuck's sake, Reagan got the Iranians to hold on to the hostages until *after* the election was over.

The question would be - was there any quid pro quo? The same question applies here. Without some evidence (beyond the observable fact that Putin is getting everything he ever wanted from Cheato) that promises were made, they'll probably all skate.

I think you nailed it here: Boundless arrogance coupled with "a deeply-held conviction that the world couldn't possibly dislike them more than Trump" is why Cheato is in the WH.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And as far as I'm concerned the only proper remedy is to void the advantage he got. Trump/Pence is voided from the ballot, Hillary wins.

I'm pretty certain the Constitution does not offer that remedy. In fact, I'm pretty certain it'd take a while to reach a Democrat to become President the Constitutional way. You get rid of Trump and Pence, that gives us Ryan, then fucking Hatch.

What is even worse is that this stolen election got the Republican a SCOTUS justice. There is no end to the wrong that is what happened here.

The Constitution is silent on what to do about a stolen election.

You're looking at the effect of removing him from office. I'm saying to rewind events, declare him an invalid candidate and let the vote stand--Hillary stomps all over Johnson 227:0.

 

[repoman]

I'm pretty certain the Constitution does not offer that remedy. In fact, I'm pretty certain it'd take a while to reach a Democrat to become President the Constitutional way. You get rid of Trump and Pence, that gives us Ryan, then fucking Hatch.

What is even worse is that this stolen election got the Republican a SCOTUS justice. There is no end to the wrong that is what happened here.

The Constitution is silent on what to do about a stolen election.

You're looking at the effect of removing him from office. I'm saying to rewind events, declare him an invalid candidate and let the vote stand--Hillary stomps all over Johnson 227:0.

Declare Trump/Pence invalid and Bernie goes third party and wins!

Socialism now, Nationalism later!

 

[barbos]

Russia didn't need to do anything for Trump to be guilty. All that matters is that Trump tried collude with Russia, and this essentially proves that he did. If you steal a wallet an its turns out to be empty, the crime is the same.

And seeing that stolen DNC and Podesta emails were actually released, this (along with the established Trump aversion to telling the truth) really puts into doubt that this meeting didn't begin direct collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

We know something happened in June/July that lit a fire under the CIA/FBI. I think this meeting or the result from this meeting was that catalyst.

I understand we established that DNC was not actually hacked and nothing was stolen from them, Everything was a result of Podesta email account having being phished. Who did that is unknown, some say russian government, but no proof exists of that. It's amazing how you can be selectively pedantic or sloppy depending on the circumstances.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

 

[Deepak]

I understand we established that DNC was not actually hacked and nothing was stolen from them, Everything was a result of Podesta email account having being phished.

 

[Toni]

Eh. On the scale of 1-10, I give this somewhere on the low 2-3 in terms of severity. For fuck's sake, Reagan got the Iranians to hold on to the hostages until *after* the election was over.

The question would be - was there any quid pro quo? The same question applies here. Without some evidence (beyond the observable fact that Putin is getting everything he ever wanted from Cheato) that promises were made, they'll probably all skate.

I think you nailed it here: Boundless arrogance coupled with "a deeply-held conviction that the world couldn't possibly dislike them more than Trump" is why Cheato is in the WH.

The quid pro quo: continued conflict in the middle east.

 

[repoman]

The question would be - was there any quid pro quo? The same question applies here. Without some evidence (beyond the observable fact that Putin is getting everything he ever wanted from Cheato) that promises were made, they'll probably all skate.

I think you nailed it here: Boundless arrogance coupled with "a deeply-held conviction that the world couldn't possibly dislike them more than Trump" is why Cheato is in the WH.

The quid pro quo: continued conflict in the middle east.

?

Letting Assad stay in power more like, which is detestable to Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel and many people in the US government.

 

[repoman]

So, if you were to take the theory that Natalia was a plant by the Dems, then there is only one reason and that would be for the pretext of a FISA warrant. But there was probably another reason it was issued.

Otherwise if she was a plant then she would have accidentally have spilled about the meeting (by "misplacing" a laptop, or having her info "hacked" etc...) sometime in October. That would have caused a good deal of damage. Why hold the Dems hold on to this when it was becoming clear that the election was not completely in the bag? Even a 5% chance of a loss would seem worthy of firing this bullet in October.

Also, after the election and before the Electoral College tally, this info may have swayed us into a constitutional crisis and at the least may have pushed Garland through to SCOTUS.

This is all hypothetical wankfesting at any rate. Trying to play through the implications.