How Will the US Deal with the Black Muslim Police Officer Who Allegedly Shot and Killed an Unarmed White Woman?

[whichphilosophy]

Never startle or surprise a cop. They're nervous, they feel threatened. They're trained to consider the possibility that anyone they interact with could be hostile, and carrying a gun. Their training is increasingly militarized, and I'm sure they're acutely aware of the endless series of violent interactions they see every night on the six O:clock news.

Officer Noor is reported to have fired the shot from the passenger street after hearing a noise. He declined to be interviewed. The body cameras were not turned on and they drove the car with windows wound down.

With the investigation being in progress, there are a lot of blanks to be filled in.

 

[Mumbles]

Never startle or surprise a cop. They're nervous, they feel threatened. They're trained to consider the possibility that anyone they interact with could be hostile, and carrying a gun. Their training is increasingly militarized, and I'm sure they're acutely aware of the endless series of violent interactions they see every night on the six O:clock news.

Officer Noor is reported to have fired the shot from the passenger street after hearing a noise. He declined to be interviewed. The body cameras were not turned on and they drove the car with windows wound down.

With the investigation being in progress, there are a lot of blanks to be filled in.

Truthfully, if she were to simply have a gun and start shooting at them, at point-blank range, they'd most likely both be dead.

Even with that, though, this is actually still more vague than many of the killings that we've seen, since as you say, there appears to be no recording of any relevant activity.

 

[Valjean]

Never startle or surprise a cop. They're nervous, they feel threatened. They're trained to consider the possibility that anyone they interact with could be hostile, and carrying a gun. Their training is increasingly militarized, and I'm sure they're acutely aware of the endless series of violent interactions they see every night on the six O:clock news.

and THAT is exactly what Derec and Loren would be spouting if the ethic backgrounds of the victim and police were reversed in this case.

I doubt ethnicity played much of a factor here. Police often have only a split second to react; too little time time properly to analyze the situation. In a work atmosphere suffused with a perception of imminent peril, officers are on tenterhooks, accidents will happen.

The victim did nothing to surprise or startle the officer who shot her.

Point taken but not a factor in this case.

Well, that's even more disturbing, if that's the case, but I don't know that this has been established.
If the shooting were not motivated from fearfulness and surprise, what was the motivation? Why would the officer consciously and deliberately have shot this woman?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Never startle or surprise a cop. They're nervous, they feel threatened. They're trained to consider the possibility that anyone they interact with could be hostile, and carrying a gun. Their training is increasingly militarized, and I'm sure they're acutely aware of the endless series of violent interactions they see every night on the six O:clock news.

and THAT is exactly what Derec and Loren would be spouting if the ethic backgrounds of the victim and police were reversed in this case.

I don't care what race they are. I care whether their actions contributed to the problem.

So far we have seen absolutely nothing she wrong.

Castille almost certainly didn't handle it well. The cop was wrong but he was part of the problem.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Well, that's even more disturbing, if that's the case, but I don't know that this has been established.
If the shooting were not motivated from fearfulness and surprise, what was the motivation? Why would the officer consciously and deliberately have shot this woman?

I'm guessing he was sitting there with his weapon drawn and aimed at the person outside the vehicle. Either the noise startled him causing him to discharge his weapon, or else he thought he was being fired upon and he discharged his weapon. It's just a fucking sad thing. It's too bad she even called the police. He's going to be acquitted in the end, leave the police force and that will be that.

Again, it's just a fucking sad thing that officers are so poorly trained and can so easily kill a person, say it was unintentional, and move on. The family will get some money and that will be that. But it should never happen.

 

[RVonse]

Maybe the cop was trained for cyberdyne hardware and he thought this woman was the female terminator?

 

[Derec]

and THAT is exactly what Derec and Loren would be spouting if the ethic backgrounds of the victim and police were reversed in this case.

No we would not be.

 

[Derec]

A much more parallel crime would be the shooting of Philando Castille. Also in the Minneapolis area.

I guess it is "more parallel" than say the Michael Brown case but still not very.
The most similar case I know of would be that of Charleena Lyles in that both women called the police and were shot by them. However, there are still significant differences. There is no indication Justine confronted the cops with a knife or that she was mentally ill.

I believe that the victim, Justine Damond, was also an immigrant. Something that seems to get lost. Maybe because her skin is white and she's blonde.

And comes from a country with a culture very much compatible with that of the US. Unlike Somalia, by and large.

 

[bilby]

I guess it is "more parallel" than say the Michael Brown case but still not very.
The most similar case I know of would be that of Charleena Lyles in that both women called the police and were shot by them. However, there are still significant differences. There is no indication Justine confronted the cops with a knife or that she was mentally ill.

I believe that the victim, Justine Damond, was also an immigrant. Something that seems to get lost. Maybe because her skin is white and she's blonde.

And comes from a country with a culture very much compatible with that of the US. Unlike Somalia, by and large.

That depends what you mean by 'compatible'; Most of my countrymen seem to think that American culture is batshit crazy.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Officer Noor is reported to have fired the shot from the passenger street after hearing a noise. He declined to be interviewed. The body cameras were not turned on and they drove the car with windows wound down.

With the investigation being in progress, there are a lot of blanks to be filled in.

Truthfully, if she were to simply have a gun and start shooting at them, at point-blank range, they'd most likely both be dead.

Even with that, though, this is actually still more vague than many of the killings that we've seen, since as you say, there appears to be no recording of any relevant activity.

It's difficult to say, but if he shot her with his first shot it would be unlikely both would be dead.

 

[repoman]

What kind of drug testing do they do for the police involved in shootings?

The sampling should be done with the plaintiff's family lawyer there to make sure it is not bullshit. Don't let that sample out of your sight until you see the lab tech put it into the machine and the results come out.

This cop and most cops involved in bad shootings must have a higher than average risk of being on cocaine or speed.

Oh and get her body drug tested. Find out if both she and the cop had mental instability as well. See if there were recent changes.

 

[marc]

Never startle or surprise a cop. They're nervous, they feel threatened. They're trained to consider the possibility that anyone they interact with could be hostile, and carrying a gun. Their training is increasingly militarized, and I'm sure they're acutely aware of the endless series of violent interactions they see every night on the six O:clock news.

and THAT is exactly what Derec and Loren would be spouting if the ethic backgrounds of the victim and police were reversed in this case.

Plus the victim was still dangerous despite being unarmed, because they could have taken the officer's gun.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Plus the victim was still dangerous despite being unarmed, because they could have taken the officer's gun.

I know I've heard that one plenty of times.

 

[iolo]

While you arm the police, no-one is ever safe, face it. Cowboys should be confined to the Prairie and the KKK to history.

 

[laughing dog]

I guess it is "more parallel" than say the Michael Brown case but still not very.
The most similar case I know of would be that of Charleena Lyles in that both women called the police and were shot by them. However, there are still significant differences. There is no indication Justine confronted the cops with a knife or that she was mentally ill.


And comes from a country with a culture very much compatible with that of the US. Unlike Somalia, by and large.

That depends what you mean by 'compatible'; Most of my countrymen seem to think that American culture is batshit crazy.

When it comes to guns, and to abuses and mistakes by the police, they are right on target.

 

[Tigers!]

Has the officer made a statement yet? If not what would the delay be?

 

[dismal]

I doubt ethnicity played much of a factor here. Police often have only a split second to react; too little time time properly to analyze the situation. In a work atmosphere suffused with a perception of imminent peril, officers are on tenterhooks, accidents will happen.

Sorry, you came to the wrong forum. Here we always assume cops are motivated by racism.

 

[Mumbles]

I doubt ethnicity played much of a factor here. Police often have only a split second to react; too little time time properly to analyze the situation. In a work atmosphere suffused with a perception of imminent peril, officers are on tenterhooks, accidents will happen.

Sorry, you came to the wrong forum. Here we always assume cops are motivated by racism.

Nope. Here we assume that when people rush to claim that the black guy must have been hulking and enraged, and just had to be shot by the poor, defenseless white cop (or neighborhood watch guy, or random dude that drove/parked near him), that *this* is racism.

 

[dismal]

Sorry, you came to the wrong forum. Here we always assume cops are motivated by racism.

Nope. Here we assume that when people rush to claim that the black guy must have been hulking and enraged, and just had to be shot by the poor, defenseless white cop (or neighborhood watch guy, or random dude that drove/parked near him), that *this* is racism.

Sorry, I've been here long enough to see many threads where people assume the officer was motivated by racism with approximately as much evidence as this one.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It seems that the most common cause of people being shot in these situations is simply proximity to the officer. It does not matter if they are armed, because there is always a threat of them being armed. And that has been enough in several cases to justify the shooting.

This woman was from a nation where officers aren't quite as quick on the trigger. Keep in mind, this guy had to draw his gun, while in the car, and then shoot. And once again we enter a situation where our legal system can't handle this. It would seem likely this was accidental, but wholly unacceptable. But we don't have anything in the legal code to properly punish this.