The universe is proof of god!

[none]

there could be infinite minutes
an example is there is an infinite quantity of integers, yet you can pick one
an example, the universe is infinite and the universe includes space time and it is expanding getting more space time to measure.. right??
the problem arises when you make the claim "time began"
you are relying on inference, aren't you?
what is the inference you are relying on?

What most cosmologists claim.

oh an appeal to popularity
this isn't about truth anymore, gah
I asked for the inference, if you are so uninformed why bother??

 

[Keith&Co.]

What most cosmologists claim.

oh an appeal to popularity

More of an appeal to authority, not popularity.

 

[none]

yeah well I asked for the inference and got a waste of time
not sure any credible cosmologist is working with more than plank epoch
I could imagine a big "IF" or "COULD" is involved

 

[skepticalbip]

there could be infinite minutes
an example is there is an infinite quantity of integers, yet you can pick one
an example, the universe is infinite and the universe includes space time and it is expanding getting more space time to measure.. right??
the problem arises when you make the claim "time began"
you are relying on inference, aren't you?
what is the inference you are relying on?

What most cosmologists claim.

I wish you would stop making such asinine assertions. "Most cosmologists" do not claim that time had a beginning. You really should read a bit more.

ETA:
To add, the statement you keep relying on by Hawking about time beginning was him describing the treatment of time in the inflationary model. He also describes how time is treated in the "Bumping Branes" model as eternal.

 

[none]

some do say time began, cosmic time being different from imaginary time
but it is unsettled science a proposal
for purposes of conversation it is suggested

 

[Random Person]

there could be infinite minutes
an example is there is an infinite quantity of integers, yet you can pick one
an example, the universe is infinite and the universe includes space time and it is expanding getting more space time to measure.. right??
the problem arises when you make the claim "time began"
you are relying on inference, aren't you?
what is the inference you are relying on?

What most cosmologists claim.

oh an appeal to popularity
this isn't about truth anymore, gah
I asked for the inference, if you are so uninformed why bother??

Cosmologists don't know what they're talking about but you guys do? What a topsy turvy world you guys live in.

 

[none]

oh an appeal to popularity
this isn't about truth anymore, gah
I asked for the inference, if you are so uninformed why bother??

Cosmologists don't know what they're talking about but you guys do? What a topsy turvy world you guys live in.

I didn't say that at all
I asked for the inference
What you did was an appeal to popularity/authority
in logic fallacies render an argument invalid
If you knew anything about logic and science you'd understand
you were the one who made the claim, then woudln't support it but instead replied with a fallacy

 

[bilby]

Not muddled at all. You are saying that an infinite past cannot exist, and you give as your reason that an infinite number of minutes would have had to elapse for the present to exist if that were the case.

But if the past is infinite, then an infinite number of minutes HAS elapsed. So that's not a problem.

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Time had a beginning.

How do you know this?

It actually is a problem. You can't cycle through an infinite number of minutes.

I haven't cycled through an infinite number of minutes. I have cycled through fewer than 26.3 million minutes. Are you suggesting that this implies that the universe is less than fifty years old?

The answer to the question, "Has an infinite amount of time elapsed?", is always, "Not yet."

Unless the answer is always "Yes".

Pick any integer. Are there an infinite number of smaller integers? If you replied "Not yet", then you were wrong.

 

[Random Person]

oh an appeal to popularity
this isn't about truth anymore, gah
I asked for the inference, if you are so uninformed why bother??

Cosmologists don't know what they're talking about but you guys do? What a topsy turvy world you guys live in.

I didn't say that at all
I asked for the inference
What you did was an appeal to popularity/authority
in logic fallacies render an argument invalid
If you knew anything about logic and science you'd understand
you were the one who made the claim, then woudln't support it but instead replied with a fallacy

Is that the goat fart in the OP?

 

[none]

I didn't say that at all
I asked for the inference
What you did was an appeal to popularity/authority
in logic fallacies render an argument invalid
If you knew anything about logic and science you'd understand
you were the one who made the claim, then woudln't support it but instead replied with a fallacy

Is that the goat fart in the OP?

could have been a cat

 

[abaddon]

Is that the goat fart in the OP?

could have been a cat

Or a wizard named Tim.

But if it's at least a trace of the space goat, then:

Space Goat, +1. God, 0.

 

[Random Person]

could have been a cat

Or a wizard named Tim.

But if it's at least a trace of the space goat, then:

Space Goat, +1. God, 0.

I'm not arguing for a God or a space goat.

 

[bilby]

could have been a cat

Or a wizard named Tim.

But if it's at least a trace of the space goat, then:

Space Goat, +1. God, 0.

I'm not arguing for a God or a space goat.

You are not arguing at all.

Perhaps trolling, but not arguing.

 

[Random Person]

I'm not arguing for a God or a space goat.

You are not arguing at all.

Perhaps trolling, but not arguing.

Right. In a thread postulating a space goat.

 

[none]

I'm not arguing for a God or a space goat.

You are not arguing at all.

Perhaps trolling, but not arguing.

Right. In a thread postulating a space goat.

you missed the point of the OP, keep trying though it makes you look brilliant
lol

 

[Random Person]

Right. In a thread postulating a space goat.

you missed the point of the OP, keep trying though it makes you look brilliant
lol

You missed it.

 

[none]

Right. In a thread postulating a space goat.

you missed the point of the OP, keep trying though it makes you look brilliant
lol

You missed it.

Your complaints?

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

yeah well I asked for the inference and got a waste of time
not sure any credible cosmologist is working with more than plank epoch
I could imagine a big "IF" or "COULD" is involved

Any number of credible cosmologists are working with before the Plank era. Alan Guth and Andrei Linde are two examples. I have seen a video where Guth estimates a 70% chance of there being a multi-Universe examining the theoretical evidence at this time. At this point, we are at the edge of knowledge and evidence, but theoretical considerations seem to be hinting strongly at that conclusion, according to Guth. This is going to take time to sort out, but cosmology marches onwards.

 

[none]

yeah well I asked for the inference and got a waste of time
not sure any credible cosmologist is working with more than plank epoch
I could imagine a big "IF" or "COULD" is involved

Any number of credible cosmologists are working with before the Plank era. Alan Guth and Andrei Linde are two examples. I have seen a video where Guth estimates a 70% chance of there being a multi-Universe examining the theoretical evidence at this time. At this point, we are at the edge of knowledge and evidence, but theoretical considerations seem to be hinting strongly at that conclusion, according to Guth. This is going to take time to sort out, but cosmology marches onwards.

so what's up with space time?? are they segregating cosmic time from imaginary time??
I pulled up a youtube lecture from 2013 by Guth... is there something more explanatory that you have viewed??

 

[bilby]

There's a fair bit of information about the Plank era, but we are still trying to nail it down.