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Sessions: Jesus wants me to separate families at the border

 
 
 
Oh, now I get it. $13M. What a racket you gullible ninnies.

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It's like nothing of significance happened before January 20, 2017.

Obama administration placed children with human traffickers, report says

“HHS places children with individuals about whom it knows relatively little and without verifying the limited information provided by sponsors about their alleged relationship with the child,” the report said.

For example, one Guatemalan boy planned to live with his uncle in Virginia. But when the uncle refused to take the boy, he ended up with another sponsor, who forced him to work nearly 12 hours a day to repay a $6,500 smuggling debt, which the sponsor later increased to $10,900, the report said.

A boy from El Salvador was released to his father even though he told a caseworker that his father had a history of beating him, including hitting him with an electrical cord. In September, the boy alerted authorities that his father was forcing him to work for little or no pay, the report said; a post-release service worker later found the boy was being kept in a basement and given little food.
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Trausti said:
It's like nothing of significance happened before January 20, 2017.

Obama administration placed children with human traffickers, report says

“HHS places children with individuals about whom it knows relatively little and without verifying the limited information provided by sponsors about their alleged relationship with the child,” the report said.

For example, one Guatemalan boy planned to live with his uncle in Virginia. But when the uncle refused to take the boy, he ended up with another sponsor, who forced him to work nearly 12 hours a day to repay a $6,500 smuggling debt, which the sponsor later increased to $10,900, the report said.

A boy from El Salvador was released to his father even though he told a caseworker that his father had a history of beating him, including hitting him with an electrical cord. In September, the boy alerted authorities that his father was forcing him to work for little or no pay, the report said; a post-release service worker later found the boy was being kept in a basement and given little food.
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Nice try. The actual, active policy of the Obama administration was not to separate kids from their parents, and thus was never used as a tool to try and bring the GOP to the table. But hey, bad things happened under Obama so it's okay if Trump does shit that's way worse, right?
 
Bill Kristol said:
No, Trump's executive order doesn't end the crisis. After all the crisis isn't that Trump said A, but now he's no longer saying A, so the crisis is over. The crisis is the real world effects of policies shaped by incompetent mean-spiritedness, effects that can't easily be undone.
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Sadly true.
 
Tausti, your posts are bullshit and you know it. Obama didn't separate children from parents, which is the core issue everyone is so upset about. Obama admin held unaccompanied minors who arrived at the border, most of which were teenagers, while their cases were being processed and/or someone for them to stay with was found. No one had this level of outrage until Trump changed the policy. The policy had impacts on very young children who wanted to remain with their parents.

Additionally, the releases to the human traffickers you posted was obviously unintentional and unfortunate. As long as the gov't takes reasonable steps to avoid that, that's all anyone can ask for. Do you have information that reasonable steps were not taken?
 
America will now and forever be remembered as the nation that needed an extended national debate to decide if concentration camps for toddlers was a good idea or not.

Let the record shows that millions of Americans answered in the positive, and used lies and flaccid logic to defend the concept. Not one single member of the administration resigned in protest.

Is America great again yet? Are we tired of winning?
 
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Underseer said:
America will now and forever be remembered as the nation that needed an extended national debate to decide if concentration camps for toddlers was a good idea or not.

Let the record shows that millions of Americans answered in the positive, and used lies and flaccid logic to defend the concept. Not one single member of the administration resigned in protest.

Is America great again yet? Are we tired of winning?
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Sorry to break your bubble but the rest of the world doesn't care nearly as much as you think. Sure it crosses the news threshold but at the same time, Even Europe is considering setting up immigrant processing camps in Libya, for example, and it gets worse from there.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Underseer said:
Ah, so when you call me "Kalergi," that is some kind of Nazi code for "person who doesn't think refugees are bad"? Yeah, we get that. Nazis hate foreigners, immigrants, and refugees. It's one of the reasons people think Nazis are bad.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not up on the latest white supremacist code words/dog whistles.

And no, we don't need religion to explain why it's wrong to build concentration camps for children. We don't need religion to explain anything morally, but Christianity has shown itself to be a monumental failure in the discussion about child separation.
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Kalergi as a racial supremacist code word? I know you don't like to read anything but this is rather silly.

 Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi
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His wartime politics and adventures served as the real life basis for fictional Resistance hero Victor Laszlo, the Paul Henreid character in Casablanca.
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I'm shocked!
 
I think the breaking point was Trump learning that, due to Melania going in for family-style immigration, that Baron would end up in a cage on the outskirts of Brownsville.
 
Okay, reread this thread and I've come to one point that I would like described.

What should the immigration policy of the US be? Not what it is, not who is responsible, and not "well I wouldn't do what they're doing", just what should it be.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Okay, reread this thread and I've come to one point that I would like described.

What should the immigration policy of the US be? Not what it is, not who is responsible, and not "well I wouldn't do what they're doing", just what should it be.
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IMO people who have worked in the US on H1B visas for a couple of years and haven't committed any crimes should be granted legal residence as a matter of course. If they're already holding down jobs and paying their bills then we have every reason to believe they'll be productive members of our society.

People serving in the US military should be made legal residents while in uniform and granted citizenship immediately upon completion of their enlistment provided they were not dishonorably discharged. They served our country so they should be fast tracked to become part of it.

People brought here as children should have a clear, straightforward, and short path to citizenship, not this prolonged tortuous process where they might be deported and abandoned at any moment. It could lead to more unaccompanied minors at the border because parents want to keep their kids safe even if that means sending them far away, and minors can't really fend for themselves so we'll be responsible for them, but I would rather live in a society that at least tries to act in accordance with humanitarian moral standards than in one that f**ks over little kids just because adults are fighting.
 
In my opinion, we should allow people to cross the border with a mere ID check. That way we can weed out the criminals, and some of them are indeed criminals. Part of the illegal immigration problem is people cannot risk going back home once harvest season is over. The border process would take mere minutes instead of days, weeks, or even months. Using that simple ID check it should then be possible for those who are here to get a job if they so choose.

People who are not citizens should know that they are here on good behavior though. Any crime (real crimes, not speeding tickets) and once their sentence is finished they go to their home country to never return.

However, just as getting in should be easy, naturalization should be a real chore.

This also makes it easier for those who are brought here as children, who are being used as nothing more than "feel guilty if you don't agree with me" props.
 
laughing dog said:
It is wrong to separate children from the parents until the parents are convicted.
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Doesn't the same thing happen with any other criminal who also happens to be a parent? We don't send children to adult jail with their parents... nor do we sent the children to juvenile when they haven't committed a crime themselves... nor do we allow adult criminals to not be incarcerated because they have children.

Why should the specific type of crime being committed justify a different set of rules? I understand the impetus to be compassionate, but shouldn't that compassion apply to all criminals?
 
jab said:
So, as an atheist, you're completely at ease with government officials quoting scriptures to support a policy which you also support. So you would pay lip service, at best, to separation of church and state.
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As long as what they're quoting is that "render unto ceasar" bit, and they're quoting it to other religionists, I'm okay with that. Otherwise, nope.
 
Emily Lake said:
laughing dog said:
It is wrong to separate children from the parents until the parents are convicted.
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Doesn't the same thing happen with any other criminal who also happens to be a parent? We don't send children to adult jail with their parents... nor do we sent the children to juvenile when they haven't committed a crime themselves... nor do we allow adult criminals to not be incarcerated because they have children.

Why should the specific type of crime being committed justify a different set of rules? I understand the impetus to be compassionate, but shouldn't that compassion apply to all criminals?
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These people are not criminals!!! How can it be so hard to se this?
 
Juma said:
Emily Lake said:
laughing dog said:
It is wrong to separate children from the parents until the parents are convicted.
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Doesn't the same thing happen with any other criminal who also happens to be a parent? We don't send children to adult jail with their parents... nor do we sent the children to juvenile when they haven't committed a crime themselves... nor do we allow adult criminals to not be incarcerated because they have children.

Why should the specific type of crime being committed justify a different set of rules? I understand the impetus to be compassionate, but shouldn't that compassion apply to all criminals?
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These people are not criminals!!! How can it be so hard to se this?
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Like you, I disagree with the law. That doesn't change the fact that they are indeed breaking a law. Someone who breaks a law is by definition a criminal.

There are actually three aspects to this discussion:
1. What is the current law
2. Do current actions comply with current law
3. What should the law be
 
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