Democrats Eat Their Own Again - Maxine Waters

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So Maxine Waters says if ordinary citizens run into a member of Trump's cabinet or Administration, like at a gas station or a restaurant, they should create a crowd in order to show their democratic rights of free expression to say the Trumpists are bad people. Now, the Democratic Party establishment, including Pelosi, as well as right-wing media talking heads on Fox News & Friends and assorted websites are calling Maxine Waters a terrible person who is "inciting violence." Trump is calling her "low IQ" and criticizing. As Democratic officials have lent credibility to criticisms of Waters, Republicans have now delivered a letter to the House Ethics Committee re: Waters, presumably to get rid of her.

Remember, these authoritarian Republicans were the people who advocated violence in removal of persons at Trump rallies including Trump himself doing the violence advocacy. Trump: "I'd like to punch him in the face." And for Obama's townhall meetings on Affordable Care Act, they brought guns and said "The tree of liberty needs blood every once in a while and sometimes that accidentally includes innocents." I paraphrase. Meanwhile, Maxine Waters is not advocating violence.

The truth is that the people of this country don't actually need Maxine Waters to tell them to boo and hiss at Trump officials who are putting kids in cages. They could spontaneously do this themselves because it's a democratic response of free expression. The Reich wing as is typical will try to control the outcome and spin, spin, spin, hypocritically, and make a molehill into a Mountain. Reich wing officials want a safe space everywhere across the country where no one will ever tell them they are bad people for doing bad things. And Maxine Waters wants to ride the wave of public dissent against Trump. She is not the creator but she will be put down by Democrats and Republicans alike because Democrats are weak-kneed.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Pelosi is right though. Elected officials shouldn't be cheering this on.

 

[Harry Bosch]

So Maxine Waters says if ordinary citizens run into a member of Trump's cabinet or Administration, like at a gas station or a restaurant, they should create a crowd in order to show their democratic rights of free expression to say the Trumpists are bad people. Now, the Democratic Party establishment, including Pelosi, as well as right-wing media talking heads on Fox News & Friends and assorted websites are calling Maxine Waters a terrible person who is "inciting violence." Trump is calling her "low IQ" and criticizing. As Democratic officials have lent credibility to criticisms of Waters, Republicans have now delivered a letter to the House Ethics Committee re: Waters, presumably to get rid of her.

Remember, these authoritarian Republicans were the people who advocated violence in removal of persons at Trump rallies including Trump himself doing the violence advocacy. Trump: "I'd like to punch him in the face." And for Obama's downhill meetings on Affordable Care Act, they brought guns and said "The tree of liberty needs blood every once in a while and sometimes that accidentally includes innocents." I paraphrase. Meanwhile, Maxine Waters is not advocating violence.

The truth is that the people don't actually need Maxine Waters to tell them to boo and hiss at Trump officials who are putting kids in cages. They could spontaneously do this themselves because it's a democratic response of free expression. The Reich wing as is typical will try to control the outcome and spin, spin, spin, hypocritically, and make a molehill into a Mountain. Reich wing officials want a safe space everywhere across the country where no one will ever tell them they are bad people for doing bad things. And Maxine Waters wants to ride the wave of public dissent against Trump. She is not the creator but she will be put down by Democrats and Republicans alike because Democrats are weak-kneed.

Was Michelle Obama weak kneed when she advised that when republicans go low, we go high?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So Maxine Waters says if ordinary citizens run into a member of Trump's cabinet or Administration, like at a gas station or a restaurant, they should create a crowd in order to show their democratic rights of free expression to say the Trumpists are bad people. Now, the Democratic Party establishment, including Pelosi, as well as right-wing media talking heads on Fox News & Friends and assorted websites are calling Maxine Waters a terrible person who is "inciting violence." Trump is calling her "low IQ" and criticizing. As Democratic officials have lent credibility to criticisms of Waters, Republicans have now delivered a letter to the House Ethics Committee re: Waters, presumably to get rid of her.

Remember, these authoritarian Republicans were the people who advocated violence in removal of persons at Trump rallies including Trump himself doing the violence advocacy. Trump: "I'd like to punch him in the face." And for Obama's downhill meetings on Affordable Care Act, they brought guns and said "The tree of liberty needs blood every once in a while and sometimes that accidentally includes innocents." I paraphrase. Meanwhile, Maxine Waters is not advocating violence.

The truth is that the people don't actually need Maxine Waters to tell them to boo and hiss at Trump officials who are putting kids in cages. They could spontaneously do this themselves because it's a democratic response of free expression. The Reich wing as is typical will try to control the outcome and spin, spin, spin, hypocritically, and make a molehill into a Mountain. Reich wing officials want a safe space everywhere across the country where no one will ever tell them they are bad people for doing bad things. And Maxine Waters wants to ride the wave of public dissent against Trump. She is not the creator but she will be put down by Democrats and Republicans alike because Democrats are weak-kneed.

Was Michelle Obama weak kneed when she advised that when republicans go low, we go high?

That's a false dichotomy as there is a myriad of choices among all the individuals out there that are both inside a continuum between low and high and also separate from a continuum between low and high. The exercise of free expression isn't really low unless you're a d-bag saying d-bag things, like Trump for example. I will remind you, too, that Trump advocating violence, CLEARLY advocating violence, is LOW. Someone at a restaurant saying, "Sorry this restaurant has standards of decency, including compassion and honesty, so I am going to have to ask you to leave" isn't anywhere near LOW. While I personally, would rather play the TV at the restaurant with Trump being interviewed about his crotch-grabbing someone else called that uncivil, too. It just isn't. These things that we do or advocate all have different flavors but none of them are LOW like Twitler. Regarding Waters, I think her idea to be harassing probably crosses some line in the continuum making it less than what I would do myself or ask for but the idea mere idea of crowds of people saying Republican Administration officials are bad people BECAUSE THEY ARE has to be allowed in a FACT-driven democratic society. If you disallow it, you are giving up your democracy to the fascists.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Plain fact: Waters did NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE. Our President has done just exactly that, numerous times. End result? Faux conservative outrage at the person who did not advocate violence.

 

[braces_for_impact]

The point is that the right is authoritarian and hypocritical. They've literally built their own base out of fear, insult and conspiracy theory. Their political leaders do this. Their religious leaders instigate this. They have a whole news network dedicated to the very idea. The only thing they are doing is using our own sense of decency against us. But they will continue their violent rhetoric. It's just a tactic to shut us up.

Their whole point of their movement now is the elimination of shame, and we are responding with more shame. That's what they're taking about when they say they want to destroy political correctness. They want to be able to display these shameful attitudes in public with no repercussions, but also re-institute bigoted policies. The rest of realized with some help of civil rights leaders during the 60's that we didn't want to live in a world where those opinions are voiced anymore. They've been tested and tried, they've been entertained and had trial by fire and it never leads to a good outcome, not just for the minorities hated during that particular day, but for what it does to the rest of our society as well. Most of us decided those days are better left gone. Now, since these people are technically a minority, they are using the government to strongarm the rest of us into compliance.

They are free in our country to voice those views. They have that right. But they are not shielded by the government from the repercussions when most of the rest of society decides that they will respond to these troglodytes with a mighty non-violent weapon. Shame. The rest of us have moved on. We're disgusted by this behavior. If I'm in a group of people having a discussion, and someone joins the group and starts talking MAGA BIGOT, I will not be silent. I will tell them what I think and engage their ideas. I will display that I think their attitude is repugnant and shameful. I will NOT be quiet for their comfort. If I own a restaurant, I don't want the local klan rally to feel comfortable in my establishment. They are not welcome to come into MY place and make everyone else feel uncomfortable and demand we stay silent about it. That's not the sort of business I would run, and it would certainly take all the joy out of running said business.

They are free to voice their bigoted rhetoric in the public square. They're entitled to try and pass legislation to make their bigoted dreams a reality, but we are not going to remain silent, and we will resist. The authoritarian right doesn't stop at "civility". They also say we do not have the right to resist, and if necessary, as our illustrious president has shown, they would get rid of due process if it would help them attain that goal. They KNOW this. This is why you don't see every Republican in congress trying to pass a bill named "Non-whites aren't entitled to the bill of rights". They always try to do an end around the law and the constitution to enact their society. Their identity revolves around other people feeling less than human. They want us to shut up about it. No.

 

[Angry Floof]

Was Michelle Obama weak kneed when she advised that when republicans go low, we go high?

That works fine for the dinner table, but it doesn't work when fucking Nazis have taken over. Fascists thrive when we agree to always be polite.

We are not talking about fucking insults. We're talking about the undermining of our constitution and our democracy. Human rights are at stake.

By the way, Trump won his travel ban. That's just today's news of right wing authoritarian encroachment.

Maxine is right, and we need more people of humane values and conscience everywhere, but especially in Congress and among judges and AGs right now.

 

[braces_for_impact]

We heard the same shit during the 60's. (Not that I was alive then, but thankfully, there's plenty of examples on record.) People the got meals interrupted. Travel interrupted. They were inconvenienced and forced to look at their policies in action. They were told to be quiet. Not to rock the boat. Couldn't they be more polite? Why protest so rudely? Fuck that.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

We heard the same shit during the 60's. (Not that I was alive then, but thankfully, there's plenty of examples on record.) People the got meals interrupted. Travel interrupted. They were inconvenienced and forced to look at their policies in action. They were told to be quiet. Not to rock the boat. Couldn't they be more polite? Why protest so rudely? Fuck that.

I'm okay with people getting upset and expressing themselves. I'm not okay with an elected official calling for mob responses.

 

[Angry Floof]

We heard the same shit during the 60's. (Not that I was alive then, but thankfully, there's plenty of examples on record.) People the got meals interrupted. Travel interrupted. They were inconvenienced and forced to look at their policies in action. They were told to be quiet. Not to rock the boat. Couldn't they be more polite? Why protest so rudely? Fuck that.

This. At what point does it sink in that the powers of our democracy are deeply compromised? And that corruption is not concerned about humane values, the Constitution, human rights, or conscience.

They are obedience machines to an authoritarian ideological disease. They submit to authority (Trump, Jesus, Republican party), they are end times zealots, KKK, anti-conscience (because that would require questioning authority, but that's a mortal sin), hate and fear mongers.

The only exceptions to the right wing authoritarian follower mentality are a few people like Trump himself, who is a right wing authoritarian leader. He only answers to himself, no external authority, but otherwise all the same "values" and principles as followers.

They DO NOT CARE about everything that has made us a beacon of human rights and safety and a relatively prosperous and peaceful society. They seem to have completely forgotten WWII except when they bizarrely rend and twist it to somehow support right wing authoritarianism.

This is what is in charge of our government to a great extent. Congress is compromised all to hell right along with the White House. We still have the press, but that could change very quickly and drastically as Sinclair has made its outlets into state media and journalists are being fired for anti-Trump cartoons. (Ironic that the right sees Islam as an ideological offense.) The Justice system appears to still be intact although possibly wobbling and Trump has been busy stocking it with sympathizer judges and AGs, and publicly attacking it.

"Buckle up" sounds like an understatement these days.

 

[Elixir]

Plain fact: Waters did NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE. Our President has done just exactly that, numerous times. End result? Faux conservative outrage at the person who did not advocate violence.

While that's true, I saw her get ramped up in mid-speech. She had begun by encouraging people to INDIVIDUALLY "call them out" when they saw a fascism-supporting administration official or politician in public. But then she seemed to drift in her fervor, toward "draw a crowd and gang up on them!", which I thought was a grave mistake.

 

[Angry Floof]

Plain fact: Waters did NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE. Our President has done just exactly that, numerous times. End result? Faux conservative outrage at the person who did not advocate violence.

While that's true, I saw her get ramped up in mid-speech. She had begun by encouraging people to INDIVIDUALLY "call them out" when they saw a fascism-supporting administration official or politician in public. But then she seemed to drift in her fervor, toward "draw a crowd and gang up on them!", which I thought was a grave mistake.

I agree that bit was a mistake, but I still stand by her. Now is the time for more Maxines in Congress and in the streets.

 

[braces_for_impact]

We heard the same shit during the 60's. (Not that I was alive then, but thankfully, there's plenty of examples on record.) People the got meals interrupted. Travel interrupted. They were inconvenienced and forced to look at their policies in action. They were told to be quiet. Not to rock the boat. Couldn't they be more polite? Why protest so rudely? Fuck that.

I'm okay with people getting upset and expressing themselves. I'm not okay with an elected official calling for mob responses.

Trump has been calling for mob responses. We're lucky that they remain mostly unorganized, but they are starting to come up to minorities out of the blue for the crime of being outside. Of course you've probably seem Maxine's video listing the multiple times that Trump himself has advocated for violence. She has specifically called for non-violent gatherings of people. Basically impromptu protests. Frankly, this is all we have left. We proved at least somewhat, they when enough of us protest they do feel the heat with Trump's EO last week. The Supreme Court will not save us, especially with a stolen seat. Congress has shown they will support ANYTHING this Schmuck A La Orange wants to do, or at least remain silent, if not actively run interference on his behalf, ala Nunes et al. Trump is presently stacking the federal courts, and that will pay dividends for them for decades. The media has been calling Trump out for some time, hence why they are the number one enemy of the people right now.

There's only two choices here. Demonstration and voting, and I'm not so sure about voting. There's a lot of doubt about our elections now, thanks to things like Russian interference, gerrymandering, bad voting machines, social media, etc. and even IF the GOP loses the next couple of elections, they will hypocritically call foul even though they themselves have done NOTHING to ensure their integrity. It's practically a self-fulfilling prophecy. What we need is an overwhelming response by the public, but they are not really paying attention, not even now.

 

[Derec]

Was Michelle Obama weak kneed when she advised that when republicans go low, we go high?

That went out the window with the basket of deplorables.

 

[Derec]

That works fine for the dinner table, but it doesn't work when fucking Nazis have taken over. Fascists thrive when we agree to always be polite.

Hyperbole much? Hillary is not a communist, Trump is not a Nazi. Get a hold of yourselves!

We are not talking about fucking insults.

No, we are talking about targeted mob harassment.

We're talking about the undermining of our constitution and our democracy. Human rights are at stake.

There is no human right to enter another country.

By the way, Trump won his travel ban. That's just today's news of right wing authoritarian encroachment.

Just because you do not agree with a SCOTUS decision does not make it fascist.

Maxine is right, and we need more people of humane values and conscience everywhere, but especially in Congress and among judges and AGs right now.

Maxine is not right. She is calling for harassment of cabinet members of the democratically elected administration just because she doesn't agree with its positions on illegal migration etc.
Imagine the reverse: if a congressman called that Obama's cabinet officers should be harassed in public by a mob called for that purpose. How quickly would said congresscritter be accused of racism?

 

[Angry Floof]

The current administration is actually worse than Nazis. I am not sitting still waiting for the time when atrocity gets the message out. Democratic safeguards are being eroded fast, and people of no conscience will take that as far as we let them.

 

[Derec]

The current administration is actually worse than Nazis.

Peak Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Bro do you even history?

 

[Angry Floof]

The current administration is actually worse than Nazis.

Peak Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Bro do you even history?

Yes. I also hold humane principles and have a conscience.

 

[Derec]

Yes. I also hold humane principles and have a conscience.

Maybe you should read a book or two on the history of the Third Reich instead of talking nonsense.

 

[Angry Floof]

Yes. I also hold humane principles and have a conscience.

Maybe you should read a book or two on the history of the Third Reich instead of talking nonsense.

Maybe YOU should. Jesus, how blind do you have to be? Your black and white, outgroup-hating, authority-worshiping mentality, when shared by millions, will never give rise to humane, just governing.