Democrats Eat Their Own Again - Maxine Waters

[braces_for_impact]

Yes. I also hold humane principles and have a conscience.

Maybe you should read a book or two on the history of the Third Reich instead of talking nonsense.

The Third Reich started somewhere, it didn't just bust out of the gate with pogroms and the Holocaust. It had to eliminate democracy and seize total power first. They're on their way, and it's "peaceful bigots" that give them cover and power to continue their narrative. We will see how many of the peaceful bigots come full stop and resist this when the time comes. My prediction is not many.

 

[Angry Floof]

Yes. I also hold humane principles and have a conscience.

Maybe you should read a book or two on the history of the Third Reich instead of talking nonsense.

The Third Reich started somewhere, it didn't just bust out of the gate with pogroms and the Holocaust. It had to eliminate democracy and seize total power first. They're on their way, and it's "peaceful bigots" that give them cover and power to continue their narrative. We will see how many of the peaceful bigots come full stop and resist this when the time comes. My prediction is not many.

They'll slink off somewhere and pretend they didn't really support Trump all that much to begin with.

 

[Derec]

The Third Reich started somewhere, it didn't just bust out of the gate with pogroms and the Holocaust. It had to eliminate democracy and seize total power first. They're on their way, and it's "peaceful bigots" that give them cover and power to continue their narrative. We will see how many of the peaceful bigots come full stop and resist this when the time comes. My prediction is not many.

Hitler was appointed chancellor in January 1933. In February, Reichstag fire decree that suspended habeas corpus, freedom of speech and of the press. In March, an Enabling Act was passed that allowed Hitler to rule by decree. Also in March, first concentration camp was opened in Dachau, Bavaria mostly intended to house political prisoners.

Somehow I miss any analogues to these events having happened so far with Trump. And no, detaining illegal border crossers is not the same as throwing your political opponents in a concentration camp.

I do not support Trump, but let's stop with the hyperboles. All it does is trivialize actual Nazis.

 

[southernhybrid]

It's hard to know what to do or think anymore. When I was 18, I was among a bunch of other young people who shouted down Nixon was he was campaigning in my town in 1968. I don't remember anybody telling us to do this. We did it spontaneously, but then compared to Trump, Nixon wasn't that bad. In fact, despite his paranoia, and his tricks, he actually did some good things for the country. When he was threatened with impeachment and probable removal from office, he did the right thing and stepped down. The movements of the late 60s were pretty much controlled by the people, and not by those in office. At least not that I can remember. There was a lot of division among my own generation, a division that remains to this day, but it was nothing compared to what's going on now. It was almost restricted to an unnecessary war that was very unpopular and the draft that kept feeding that war. Once the war was over, things started to settle down and normalcy returned. By normalcy, I simply mean that people were once again able to disagree without threatening or hating each other. By normalcy, I mean that our institutions were again intact and we didn't worry on a daily basis that our country was becoming something unrecognizable.

I don't even know where to begin with the current president. I've never seen anything like this happen in the US during my lifetime and I was born during the McCarthy era. There have been some terrible people in Congress and plenty of bad judges, but never in my lifetime has there been a president as potentially dangerous at this one. Our system of checks and balances always eventually helped turn things around.

Never has a president been a pathological liar like this one. Never has a president been such a hard core narcissist. And, never has a president so easily manipulated people like this one, frequently influencing them to abandon their values and regard him as their savior. Never has a Congress been as full of ditto head sycophants as the ones that control the current Congress. So, despite Maxine's harsh rhetoric, she means well and makes some good points. I'm just not convinced that doing these things won't backfire. So far, those who openly protest and rebel have only made the Republican party become more sycophantic towards Trump. 90% of Republicans support this totally incompetent, unhinged man. Those who have left the Republican party and are calling their former party, the party of Trump are certainly correct. Can we stop the madness before it's too late? I honestly don't know anymore.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Third Reich started somewhere, it didn't just bust out of the gate with pogroms and the Holocaust. It had to eliminate democracy and seize total power first. They're on their way, and it's "peaceful bigots" that give them cover and power to continue their narrative. We will see how many of the peaceful bigots come full stop and resist this when the time comes. My prediction is not many.

They'll slink off somewhere and pretend they didn't really support Trump all that much to begin with.

You mean like how they'll say Trump wasn't a "true conservative"?

As a reminder, Trump currently has 90% approval among polled Republicans.

 

[Angry Floof]

The Third Reich started somewhere, it didn't just bust out of the gate with pogroms and the Holocaust. It had to eliminate democracy and seize total power first. They're on their way, and it's "peaceful bigots" that give them cover and power to continue their narrative. We will see how many of the peaceful bigots come full stop and resist this when the time comes. My prediction is not many.

They'll slink off somewhere and pretend they didn't really support Trump all that much to begin with.

You mean like how they'll say Trump wasn't a "true conservative"?

As a reminder, Trump currently has 90% approval among polled Republicans.

Yes, exactly.

 

[Mumbles]

Plain fact: Waters did NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE. Our President has done just exactly that, numerous times. End result? Faux conservative outrage at the person who did not advocate violence.

While that's true, I saw her get ramped up in mid-speech. She had begun by encouraging people to INDIVIDUALLY "call them out" when they saw a fascism-supporting administration official or politician in public. But then she seemed to drift in her fervor, toward "draw a crowd and gang up on them!", which I thought was a grave mistake.

I don't. In fact, it seems to me that what she is supposedly "encouraging" is what people have already decided to do on their own - and good on them for doing so.

Again, if Sanders of whatsherface at the Mexican restaurant don't wish to be associated with bigotry, tearing apart families, and the like, they could have simply quit and worked elsewhere. I'll leave off people like Sessions and Miller, since they're outright white supremacists who are exactly where they want to be.

I see Paul Ryan has called on Waters to apologize - which I find a good sign that she was correct, given his own part in advancing this administrations' goals in exchange for tax cuts for rich people.

 

[laughing dog]

Getting Ms Sanders booted out of a restaurant and publicly shaming Ms Nielsjen in a restaurant may provide some temporary euphoria, those behaviors play right into the hands of Trumpistas and Trump. Moreover, it alerts/reminds Republicans of the extent of potential problems they face in the mid terms.

 

[Derec]

Plain fact: Waters did NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE. Our President has done just exactly that, numerous times. End result? Faux conservative outrage at the person who did not advocate violence.

While that's true, I saw her get ramped up in mid-speech. She had begun by encouraging people to INDIVIDUALLY "call them out" when they saw a fascism-supporting administration official or politician in public. But then she seemed to drift in her fervor, toward "draw a crowd and gang up on them!", which I thought was a grave mistake.

I don't. In fact, it seems to me that what she is supposedly "encouraging" is what people have already decided to do on their own - and good on them for doing so.

Again, if Sanders of whatsherface at the Mexican restaurant don't wish to be associated with bigotry, tearing apart families, and the like, they could have simply quit and worked elsewhere. I'll leave off people like Sessions and Miller, since they're outright white supremacists who are exactly where they want to be.

I see Paul Ryan has called on Waters to apologize - which I find a good sign that she was correct, given his own part in advancing this administrations' goals in exchange for tax cuts for rich people.

Do you also think Obama's press secretary and other administration officials should be denied service and publicly harassed by a mob because of the political positions of the Obama administration? Or would you have called it "racist" if it had happened with the Obama White House?

 

[Elixir]

Getting Ms Sanders booted out of a restaurant and publicly shaming Ms Nielsjen in a restaurant may provide some temporary euphoria, those behaviors play right into the hands of Trumpistas and Trump. Moreover, it alerts/reminds Republicans of the extent of potential problems they face in the mid terms.

SHHHhhhh!
Potential problems? What Problems - a Red Wave has already been predicted by the infallible one. Rest easy, Republicans. No need to vote - you'll wake up in a glorious New Land on November 7th, under the Great Dear Leader!

 

[laughing dog]

I don't. In fact, it seems to me that what she is supposedly "encouraging" is what people have already decided to do on their own - and good on them for doing so.

Again, if Sanders of whatsherface at the Mexican restaurant don't wish to be associated with bigotry, tearing apart families, and the like, they could have simply quit and worked elsewhere. I'll leave off people like Sessions and Miller, since they're outright white supremacists who are exactly where they want to be.

I see Paul Ryan has called on Waters to apologize - which I find a good sign that she was correct, given his own part in advancing this administrations' goals in exchange for tax cuts for rich people.

Do you also think Obama's press secretary and other administration officials should be denied service and publicly harassed by a mob because of the political positions of the Obama administration?

They are not in power now, so no.

Or would you have called it "racist" if it had happened with the Obama White House?

It would depend on the stated rationale, but IMO it would not have been necessarily racist.

 

[Derec]

They are not in power now, so no.

I mean back when they were in power of course. Your willful obtuseness knows no bounds.

It would depend on the stated rationale, but IMO it would not have been necessarily racist.

I know it's not necessarily racist, I was asking Mumbles if he would view it as such. He sees racism everywhere, especially when Obama is involved.

 

[laughing dog]

They are not in power now, so no.

I mean back when they were in power of course. Your willful obtuseness knows no bounds.

You used the present tense. I am not responsible for your sloppiness in presenting pointless analogies.

I know it's not necessarily racist, I was asking Mumbles if he would view it as such. He sees racism everywhere, especially when Obama is involved.

I gave you my opinion. I suspect that will be Mumbles' as well, but he is an eloquent and insightful poster who does not my help.

 

[braces_for_impact]

I do not understand this rationale of liberals not doing this because it play right into their victim hood and consolidates them. They already do this...by far. It all started with the repeal of the fairness doctrine, which the right lobbied for extensively. As soon as possible after that they were taking advantage with their very own prope...er, media and claiming that the entire world had a liberal bias. They hate the immigrants because they're the victims, whether it be supposed job loss, immigrants killing everyone, or soaking up their sweet, sweet government benefits. They play victim religiously, putting their boot on everyone else's neck while playing as if they should be a protected class. They play victim on the world stage with "dem furriners" always raping our country. They play victim with the north in 2018 for a civil war that ended in 1865. The entire GOP plays victim to the democrats, insisting that the dems are crushing them under a debt of taxes and regulations and insisting on things like minimum wage and unions. They play victim to political correctness because people ask them to not act like a douche bag. They play victim to science because we should "teach the controversy". They play victim to the coastal elites because "class war".

The entire party is a victim cult, hell, even their god was killed by the Jews or the Romans, depending on who you ask. Today's GOP is a toxic mess in every sense of the word. As mentioned, they support our currently shitty president at or over 90%. NINETY FUCKING PERCENT. If my Democratic president had half these flaws I would be up in arms and everyone would well damn know it. It's no wonder they're referred to as sheep.

 

[Derec]

You used the present tense. I am not responsible for your sloppiness in presenting pointless analogies.

Regardless of the tense, the meaning of the hypothetical was clear. And it's hardly pointless as it points out the hypocrisy of attacking the Trump administration but having spent the last eight years complaining how Obama was treated. At least Robert "Family Guy" Gobbs and other members of the Obama administration weren't turned away from any restaurants.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

hey Derec, being a dishonest jagoff is not a political position

 

[southernhybrid]

I don't. In fact, it seems to me that what she is supposedly "encouraging" is what people have already decided to do on their own - and good on them for doing so.

Again, if Sanders of whatsherface at the Mexican restaurant don't wish to be associated with bigotry, tearing apart families, and the like, they could have simply quit and worked elsewhere. I'll leave off people like Sessions and Miller, since they're outright white supremacists who are exactly where they want to be.

I see Paul Ryan has called on Waters to apologize - which I find a good sign that she was correct, given his own part in advancing this administrations' goals in exchange for tax cuts for rich people.

Do you also think Obama's press secretary and other administration officials should be denied service and publicly harassed by a mob because of the political positions of the Obama administration? Or would you have called it "racist" if it had happened with the Obama White House?

I think you may have missed the point. Sanders et all, didn't get harassed because of their political views per se. They were harassed because of the things they were saying and supporting were cruel and inhumane. I don't remember Obama or anyone in his administration ever saying the type of horrific things that Trump and company do. I don't recall Obama judging entire groups of people as harshly as the current administration, and I certainly don't remember Obama or his spokes people telling bold face lies every single day. That's the difference. Obama was always dignified and he did his best to represent the country, whether or not you liked his policies. Trump is none of those things and neither are his representatives. Besides, Obama put up with a lot of shit from Republicans when he was in office. The difference is that he didn't tweet and make up lies about the people that criticized him.

I'm not sure it was such a good idea to ban Sanders, although her meal was comped and I believe she had a chance to eat before she was asked politely to leave. The problem, as others have mentioned, is that this plays right into the Trump play book of pretending that the big bad Democrats are hateful and despicable. On the other hand, I can certainly understand the anger and rage as what we are dealing with currently is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I used to reassure some of my younger friends that things will be okay and Trump won't be able to do much damage, but now I'm beginning to realize that my young friends had reasons to be worried.

And, what the fuck were people like Miller thinking of when they decided to eat in a Mexican restaurant, after all the horrible things that Trump has said about Mexicans? Were they just trolling? If I represented a man that said that Mexicans crossing the border were rapists and criminals, I sure would avoid Mexican restaurants, as every single one I've ever eaten in was owned and run by Mexican immigrants!

 

[laughing dog]

You used the present tense. I am not responsible for your sloppiness in presenting pointless analogies.

Regardless of the tense, the meaning of the hypothetical was clear.

Of course it was clear to you. Again, I am not responsible for your sloppy posting of a pathetic attempt at a "gotcha". Feel free to continue to attempt to deflect criticism from Trump and his supporters and onto Obama and his supporters.

 

[Angry Floof]

I do not understand this rationale of liberals not doing this because it play right into their victim hood and consolidates them. They already do this...by far. It all started with the repeal of the fairness doctrine, which the right lobbied for extensively. As soon as possible after that they were taking advantage with their very own prope...er, media and claiming that the entire world had a liberal bias. They hate the immigrants because they're the victims, whether it be supposed job loss, immigrants killing everyone, or soaking up their sweet, sweet government benefits. They play victim religiously, putting their boot on everyone else's neck while playing as if they should be a protected class. They play victim on the world stage with "dem furriners" always raping our country. They play victim with the north in 2018 for a civil war that ended in 1865. The entire GOP plays victim to the democrats, insisting that the dems are crushing them under a debt of taxes and regulations and insisting on things like minimum wage and unions. They play victim to political correctness because people ask them to not act like a douche bag. They play victim to science because we should "teach the controversy". They play victim to the coastal elites because "class war".

The entire party is a victim cult, hell, even their god was killed by the Jews or the Romans, depending on who you ask. Today's GOP is a toxic mess in every sense of the word. As mentioned, they support our currently shitty president at or over 90%. NINETY FUCKING PERCENT. If my Democratic president had half these flaws I would be up in arms and everyone would well damn know it. It's no wonder they're referred to as sheep.

The other day, a right wing authoritarian follower told me that liberals killed Jesus.

As for GOP mentality, "right wing authoritarian follower" is a useful and accurate description.

 

[Mumbles]

I don't. In fact, it seems to me that what she is supposedly "encouraging" is what people have already decided to do on their own - and good on them for doing so.

Again, if Sanders of whatsherface at the Mexican restaurant don't wish to be associated with bigotry, tearing apart families, and the like, they could have simply quit and worked elsewhere. I'll leave off people like Sessions and Miller, since they're outright white supremacists who are exactly where they want to be.

I see Paul Ryan has called on Waters to apologize - which I find a good sign that she was correct, given his own part in advancing this administrations' goals in exchange for tax cuts for rich people.

Do you also think Obama's press secretary and other administration officials should be denied service and publicly harassed by a mob because of the political positions of the Obama administration?

First, VP Biden *was* denied a campaign stop in 2012 by a diner owner. I had no issue with it, and the GOP celebrated this act, to the point of Paul "How dare Maxine Waters act this way!" Ryan invited him to the GOP national convention that year.

Second, if Obama were endorsing state violence against random white people, banned immigration from Europe, attempted to prevent white people from voting, and so forth, I would have never supported his plainly black supremacist agenda to begin with. But he didn't.

Third, Obama's out of office now, and his legacies are expanded access to health care for *all* Americans, a long economic recovery from the brink of a second Great Depression, and a move towards improving criminal justice and sentencing. Dolt 45, meanwhile, is heading towards becoming one of the single worst presidents in US history, with a clear record of bigotry and authoritarianism. Very different situations. And McConnell, Ryan, and the Roberts SC will go down as similarly catastrophic.

(I wish that the rest of the dems had stuck by him, and that people just picking up on this today had gotten their asses in gear back in 2010. Too bad that didn't happen)