Women and girls are harassed relentlessly from a young age, government report says - REBOOT

[thebeave]

As I recall, that NYC walking video has been exposed as being set up and edited in a racist manner. Notice its mostly black and hispanic men that are the big harrassers, whereas there is little footage of white men, and when there is a white guy, his behavior is fairly mild compared to the PoC.

 

[laughing dog]

TBut on a lesser note, the dumbest ones were where as she passed by someone just said, 'hey, smile'. Wtf. Like, what, women should go around smiling necessarily? To what? Make themselves seem even more demure and appealing to men?

Why do people always rush to the conclusion that they want them to smile so they are more pleasing to men? Couldn't there be other reasons to suggest to somebody that they smile?

Probably because the same "smile wishers" don't say that to men. Why do some people always rush to explain away the obvious?

 

[starwater]

As I recall, that NYC walking video has been exposed as being set up and edited in a racist manner. Notice its mostly black and hispanic men that are the big harrassers, whereas there is little footage of white men, and when there is a white guy, his behavior is fairly mild compared to the PoC.

So you are denying that I had similar experience in NYC?

White guys do it just as much.

 

[ruby sparks]

TBut on a lesser note, the dumbest ones were where as she passed by someone just said, 'hey, smile'. Wtf. Like, what, women should go around smiling necessarily? To what? Make themselves seem even more demure and appealing to men?

Why do people always rush to the conclusion that they want them to smile so they are more pleasing to men? Couldn't there be other reasons to suggest to somebody that they smile?

Are "don't worry, be happy", "When you're smiling", and "Put on a happy face" songs of misogyny?

How about "have a nice day?"

Reminds me of an old George Carlin bit where he said he hates when people tell him to "have a nice day" because it puts pressure on him to do so.

How unpredictable.

First of all, who mentioned misogyny?

Second, yes, while you are right, it is not necessarily gender stereotyping, but there is scientific evidence that women are expected to smile more than men.

 

[laughing dog]

As I recall, that NYC walking video has been exposed as being set up and edited in a racist manner. Notice its mostly black and hispanic men that are the big harrassers, whereas there is little footage of white men, and when there is a white guy, his behavior is fairly mild compared to the PoC.

So you are denying that I had similar experience in NYC?

Maybe. But his observation is irrelevant to the issue of frequency of harassment of women.

 

[ruby sparks]

TBut on a lesser note, the dumbest ones were where as she passed by someone just said, 'hey, smile'. Wtf. Like, what, women should go around smiling necessarily? To what? Make themselves seem even more demure and appealing to men?

Why do people always rush to the conclusion that they want them to smile so they are more pleasing to men? Couldn't there be other reasons to suggest to somebody that they smile?

Probably because the same "smile wishers" don't say that to men. Why do some people always rush to explain away the obvious?

Indeed. And women don't generally expect men to smile either, to the same degree than men expect women.

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And what about transgender people? Or, couldn't a woman dress as a man in order to not have to be expected to smile so much?

 

[starwater]

My experience this week. I was conducting a pre-bid meeting at a construction site. A male participating in the meeting stopped me in my pickup truck to ask if I wanted him to drive my truck around the construction site (me as passenger). No - I am perfectly capable of driving my truck on construction sites. I have been doing this for 20 years. I don;t need your help.

 

[thebeave]

As I recall, that NYC walking video has been exposed as being set up and edited in a racist manner. Notice its mostly black and hispanic men that are the big harrassers, whereas there is little footage of white men, and when there is a white guy, his behavior is fairly mild compared to the PoC.

So you are denying that I had similar experience in NYC?

White guys do it just as much.

I'm not denying your experience at all. Where do you get that? Here's an article (written by a well known feminist) I'm referring to with regard to it being racist:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/10/29/catcalling_video_hollaback_s_look_at_street_harassment_in_nyc_edited_out.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

 

[ruby sparks]

As I recall, that NYC walking video has been exposed as being set up and edited in a racist manner. Notice its mostly black and hispanic men that are the big harrassers, whereas there is little footage of white men, and when there is a white guy, his behavior is fairly mild compared to the PoC.

Fair point if true. Slightly off topic but interesting nonetheless. Any links?

ETA: Ah. I see you provided. Thx.

 

[starwater]

As I recall, that NYC walking video has been exposed as being set up and edited in a racist manner. Notice its mostly black and hispanic men that are the big harrassers, whereas there is little footage of white men, and when there is a white guy, his behavior is fairly mild compared to the PoC.

So you are denying that I had similar experience in NYC?

White guys do it just as much.

I'm not denying your experience at all. Where do you get that? Here's an article (written by a well known feminist) I'm referring to with regard to it being racist:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/10/29/catcalling_video_hollaback_s_look_at_street_harassment_in_nyc_edited_out.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

Whether edited or not - the video is an accurate experience of women everyday.

 

[laughing dog]

I'm not denying your experience at all. Where do you get that? Here's an article (written by a well known feminist) I'm referring to with regard to it being racist:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/10/29/catcalling_video_hollaback_s_look_at_street_harassment_in_nyc_edited_out.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

Whether edited or not - the video is an accurate experience of women everyday.

As his linked article explicitly says

This doesn’t mean that the video doesn’t still effectively make its point: that a woman can’t walk down the street lost in her own thoughts, that men feel totally free to demand her attention and get annoyed when she doesn’t respond, that a woman can’t be at ease in public spaces in the same way a man can.

 

[ruby sparks]

I haven't read the article yet, but in some ways it would seem odd to edit out instances and thus dilute the point, just because of wanting to also be selectively racist?

 

[Toni]

TBut on a lesser note, the dumbest ones were where as she passed by someone just said, 'hey, smile'. Wtf. Like, what, women should go around smiling necessarily? To what? Make themselves seem even more demure and appealing to men?

Why do people always rush to the conclusion that they want them to smile so they are more pleasing to men? Couldn't there be other reasons to suggest to somebody that they smile?

Experience.

Are "don't worry, be happy", "When you're smiling", and "Put on a happy face" songs of misogyny?

You mean songs that are intended for the general public to purchase, download, stream, ignore in elevators?

Last I looked, the general public was not comprised of an individual woman, or women only. . Men shoving their faces in yours and demanding you smile are targeting individuals regardless of the fact that such men do not regard their targets as individual with autonomy, hopes, dreams, and thoughts and feelings of of their own and are entitled to live their lives as they see fit without the intrusion of random strange males.

How about "have a nice day?"

How about it?

Reminds me of an old George Carlin bit where he said he hates when people tell him to "have a nice day" because it puts pressure on him to do so.

Yep.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Second, yes, while you are right, it is not necessarily gender stereotyping, but there is scientific evidence that women are expected to smile more than men.

So then how about we give people who act friendly the benefit of the doubt rather than rushing to judgment of ulterior motives? And yes, men do get told to smile sometimes too, as George Carlin pointed out.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Last I looked, the general public was not comprised of an individual woman, or women only. . Men shoving their faces in yours and demanding you smile are targeting individuals regardless of the fact that such men do not regard their targets as individual with autonomy, hopes, dreams, and thoughts and feelings of of their own and are entitled to live their lives as they see fit without the intrusion of random strange males.

Saying "smile" does all that to your mind? How about "hello"? Was the lady in the video I posted earlier right? Should we just grunt and avoid all eye contact? How about holding a door for somebody? Is that a sure sign of aggression?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Last I looked, the general public was not comprised of an individual woman, or women only. . Men shoving their faces in yours and demanding you smile are targeting individuals regardless of the fact that such men do not regard their targets as individual with autonomy, hopes, dreams, and thoughts and feelings of of their own and are entitled to live their lives as they see fit without the intrusion of random strange males.

Saying "smile" does all that to your mind? How about "hello"? Was the lady in the video I posted earlier right? Should we just grunt and avoid all eye contact? How about holding a door for somebody? Is that a sure sign of aggression?

If someone told me to smile, I'd tell the pretentious, condescending dipshit to wander off and fuck himself. What an annoying thing to say to somebody.

 

[laughing dog]

Second, yes, while you are right, it is not necessarily gender stereotyping, but there is scientific evidence that women are expected to smile more than men.

So then how about we give people who act friendly the benefit of the doubt rather than rushing to judgment of ulterior motives?

Telling someone to smile is not friendly behavior. It telling someone how to behave or look. It is not showing concern for that individual. And when someone only tells women to smile, it is clearly gender driven.

Why do you feel the need to explain away such harassing behavior?

 

[Toni]

Last I looked, the general public was not comprised of an individual woman, or women only. . Men shoving their faces in yours and demanding you smile are targeting individuals regardless of the fact that such men do not regard their targets as individual with autonomy, hopes, dreams, and thoughts and feelings of of their own and are entitled to live their lives as they see fit without the intrusion of random strange males.

Saying "smile" does all that to your mind? How about "hello"? Was the lady in the video I posted earlier right? Should we just grunt and avoid all eye contact? How about holding a door for somebody? Is that a sure sign of aggression?

Having a stranger demand a response from me, a propos of.....nothing does nothing more than irritate me.

Where do you get all the garbage that it does something to my mind? Project much?

 

[Toni]

Second, yes, while you are right, it is not necessarily gender stereotyping, but there is scientific evidence that women are expected to smile more than men.

So then how about we give people who act friendly the benefit of the doubt rather than rushing to judgment of ulterior motives?

Telling someone to smile is not friendly behavior. It telling someone how to behave or look. It is not showing concern for that individual. And when someone only tells women to smile, it is clearly gender driven.

Why do you feel the need to explain away such harassing behavior?

Clearly women are not entitled to their own thoughts, feelings, emotions, wishes, hopes and dreams in Jolly’s world. Nope we’re supposed to be flattered by whatever attention anyone with a penis wants to give us—and acquiesce. With a smile, of course, and gratitude in our hearts!

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Last I looked, the general public was not comprised of an individual woman, or women only. . Men shoving their faces in yours and demanding you smile are targeting individuals regardless of the fact that such men do not regard their targets as individual with autonomy, hopes, dreams, and thoughts and feelings of of their own and are entitled to live their lives as they see fit without the intrusion of random strange males.

Saying "smile" does all that to your mind? How about "hello"? Was the lady in the video I posted earlier right? Should we just grunt and avoid all eye contact? How about holding a door for somebody? Is that a sure sign of aggression?

If someone told me to smile, I'd tell the pretentious, condescending dipshit to wander off and fuck himself. What an annoying thing to say to somebody.

Bitch!

 

[Worldtraveller]

Second, yes, while you are right, it is not necessarily gender stereotyping, but there is scientific evidence that women are expected to smile more than men.

So then how about we give people who act friendly the benefit of the doubt rather than rushing to judgment of ulterior motives? And yes, men do get told to smile sometimes too, as George Carlin pointed out.

Wow, did you miss the point. This might be a new level of obliviousness, even for you! Well done.