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Dutch man, 69, who 'identifies as 20 years younger' launches legal battle to change age

A pensioner has begun a legal battle to be recognised as being 20 years younger than his actual age so he can go back to work and achieve greater success with women on Tinder.

Emile Ratelband, 69, argues that if transgender people are allowed to change sex, he should be allowed to change his date of birth because doctors said he has the body of a 45-year-old.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ifies-20-years-younger-launches-legal-battle/

He raises some good points. Although he should really just go with "I feel deep within my being that I am 49 years old", since that ought to be enough.

Another plus: once people get over their trans-age-o-phobia, this could be the backdoor way into "Medicare for all".
 
This is a scary time for young boys. Old men are now going to try to sneak into grade schools and befriend school boys. It's people like dismal and the trans-age agenda that are destroying our country.
 
Why not identify as a different age?

Other than people who identify as other sexes and races, we have people who identify as a different species.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mvxgwa/from-dragons-to-foxes-the-otherkin-community-believes-you-can-be-whatever-you-want-to-be

Otherkin Are People Too; They Just Identify as Nonhuman


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Or from Cambridge University:
http://https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/features/why-be-human-when-you-can-be-otherkin


As social beings, a sense of identity plays an important role in our relations – and in our own happiness. But identity doesn’t have to be narrowly human. In an essay looking at the groups that exist on the edge of conventional boundaries, and are often subject to prurience and ridicule, Pedro Feijó considers those who feel different, other than human.

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dismal said:
Dutch man, 69, who 'identifies as 20 years younger' launches legal battle to change age

A pensioner has begun a legal battle to be recognised as being 20 years younger than his actual age so he can go back to work and achieve greater success with women on Tinder.

Emile Ratelband, 69, argues that if transgender people are allowed to change sex, he should be allowed to change his date of birth because doctors said he has the body of a 45-year-old.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ifies-20-years-younger-launches-legal-battle/

He raises some good points. Although he should really just go with "I feel deep within my being that I am 49 years old", since that ought to be enough.

Another plus: once people get over their trans-age-o-phobia, this could be the backdoor way into "Medicare for all".
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He raises some good points, but then, the judge raises some interesting objections as well. The fact is that providing a false date of birth would be a piece of misinformation with a considerable number of negative effects. This is so regardless of whether providing false information regarding one's sex might also cause a considerable number of negative effects.
 
How does he know he feels exactly 20 years younger?

Maybe it is only 15?

What test do we give him to find out how he really feels?
 
It is irrelevant how he feels, because the date of birth is not linked to biological age (in the sense of typical human age). Suppose for the sake of the argument that someone figured how to actually reversed aging (or safely freeze humans and thaw them out, etc.), so that some people born in 1970 are biologically 20 (for example). It would remain the case that they were born in 1970. Stating otherwise in a legal document would be a false statement with all sorts of complications.
 
Angra Mainyu said:
It is irrelevant how he feels, because the date of birth is not linked to biological age (in the sense of typical human age). Suppose for the sake of the argument that someone figured how to actually reversed aging (or safely freeze humans and thaw them out, etc.), so that some people born in 1970 are biologically 20 (for example). It would remain the case that they were born in 1970. Stating otherwise in a legal document would be a false statement with all sorts of complications.
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In a lot of ways, both social and legal, a birth certificate functions as official recognition that a person exists and is a member of society. I wonder what will happen if someone sues the government in order to get a postdated birth certificate for an embryo.
 
Angra Mainyu said:
It is irrelevant how he feels, because the date of birth is not linked to biological age (in the sense of typical human age). Suppose for the sake of the argument that someone figured how to actually reversed aging (or safely freeze humans and thaw them out, etc.), so that some people born in 1970 are biologically 20 (for example). It would remain the case that they were born in 1970. Stating otherwise in a legal document would be a false statement with all sorts of complications.
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How would we determine exactly how many years these human guinea pigs were reversed?
 
untermensche said:
Angra Mainyu said:
It is irrelevant how he feels, because the date of birth is not linked to biological age (in the sense of typical human age). Suppose for the sake of the argument that someone figured how to actually reversed aging (or safely freeze humans and thaw them out, etc.), so that some people born in 1970 are biologically 20 (for example). It would remain the case that they were born in 1970. Stating otherwise in a legal document would be a false statement with all sorts of complications.
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How would we determine exactly how many years these human guinea pigs were reversed?
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In the case of cryogenics, that would seem pretty straightforward: they were frozen for 28 years, then they are thawed out, they wake up and pass an assortment of physical examinations as well as they did before getting frozen, and without symtomps of any new disease.
In the other case, I don't know for sure. One test would be that competent doctors examining them would say they're biologically 20 years old. To improve the test, the group and a control group of 20 years old would be assessed, and doctors would have to perform test to determine which ones are chronologically older about 50, and which ones are 20. If they don't manage to tell them apart beyond what is expected by random chance, that's good evidence. Other tests could be developed, for example as more is learned about biomarkers of aging ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomarkers_of_aging ); surely, learning about that would be an easy task for someone who develops tech advanced enough to cure aging!
But those are side issues. The point I'm trying to make is that the date of birth is not about biological but chronological age, or more precisely, it's about when the person was born, and chronological age is determined on its basis, regardless of biological age.
 
Angra Mainyu said:
dismal said:
Dutch man, 69, who 'identifies as 20 years younger' launches legal battle to change age

A pensioner has begun a legal battle to be recognised as being 20 years younger than his actual age so he can go back to work and achieve greater success with women on Tinder.

Emile Ratelband, 69, argues that if transgender people are allowed to change sex, he should be allowed to change his date of birth because doctors said he has the body of a 45-year-old.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ifies-20-years-younger-launches-legal-battle/

He raises some good points. Although he should really just go with "I feel deep within my being that I am 49 years old", since that ought to be enough.

Another plus: once people get over their trans-age-o-phobia, this could be the backdoor way into "Medicare for all".
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He raises some good points, but then, the judge raises some interesting objections as well. The fact is that providing a false date of birth would be a piece of misinformation with a considerable number of negative effects. This is so regardless of whether providing false information regarding one's sex might also cause a considerable number of negative effects.
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Is it really a "false date of birth" if he identifies as someone born on April 27, 1969?
 
Perhaps we should ban noting the date of birth on birth certificates from now on so that people like this Dutch guy won't feel offended, oppressed or left out. After all, it has been proposed that we leave off the baby's sex on birth certificates because it might make some transgender people feel bad about themselves. Why not this?
 
thebeave said:
Perhaps we should ban noting the date of birth on birth certificates from now on so that people like this Dutch guy won't feel offended, oppressed or left out. After all, it has been proposed that we leave off the baby's sex on birth certificates because it might make some transgender people feel bad about themselves. Why not this?
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Also, studies have shown that employers are less likely to accept resumes from candidates with odd names, so we should probably leave names off of birth certificates as well to avoid future discrimination.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Wow... dismal has an identical partisan Dutch cousin.
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What a strange comment. It's not apparent to me how this guy appears related to me or that his position is "partisan".

Are you feeling OK? Did you just feel a need to personally attack someone?
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
This is a scary time for young boys. Old men are now going to try to sneak into grade schools and befriend school boys. It's people like dismal and the trans-age agenda that are destroying our country.
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At least young American boys who identify as 65-year-olds can now get medicare!
 
Well, it's often been said that you're as young as you feel (or for a man, as young as the woman you feel) so I guess this case is going to test the legality of that.

I'll be keeping an eye on the case. I have a plan to retire early, and if I could get my state pension now, that would help a lot.
 
Elixir said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
This is a scary time for young boys. Old men are now going to try to sneak into grade schools and befriend school boys. It's people like dismal and the trans-age agenda that are destroying our country.
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At least young American boys who identify as 65-year-olds can now get medicare!
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Yes, and more importantly buy things they actually want like alcohol and porn.
 
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