Larry Baer

[TSwizzle]

I also saw the video. It’s easy to see that her husband caused her fall.

her fall could have been prevented if she had returned the phone when he grabbed it of course but she didn't.

It’s good that you recognize that he caused his wife’s fall.

Baby steps.

He did play a part in that yes. But she also played a part in that when she did not relent her grip on the phone. Something you will never acknowledge.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It’s good that you recognize that he caused his wife’s fall.

Baby steps.

He did play a part in that yes. But she also played a part in that when she did not relent her grip on the phone. Something you will never acknowledge.

Using the same logic, he could have bit her hand or slapped her and you'd be okay because she wasn't relenting. Sorry, but in the real world the value of a person is greater than the value of property and he is culpable for his poor decision.

 

[Bronzeage]

It’s good that you recognize that he caused his wife’s fall.

Baby steps.

He did play a part in that yes. But she also played a part in that when she did not relent her grip on the phone. Something you will never acknowledge.

Suppose she is on the ground and still won't let go of the phone. How hard can he justifiably kick her until she lets go? If she puts it in her shirt, should he rip it off, or try to unbutton it?

 

[TSwizzle]

It’s good that you recognize that he caused his wife’s fall.

Baby steps.

He did play a part in that yes. But she also played a part in that when she did not relent her grip on the phone. Something you will never acknowledge.

Suppose she is on the ground and still won't let go of the phone. How hard can he justifiably kick her until she lets go? If she puts it in her shirt, should he rip it off, or try to unbutton it?

That's going to depend on what kind of phone we are talking about. Obviously.

 

[barbos]

So, was he having an affair or this phone "fight" was over principle?

 

[dismal]

It’s good that you recognize that he caused his wife’s fall.

Baby steps.

He did play a part in that yes. But she also played a part in that when she did not relent her grip on the phone. Something you will never acknowledge.

Using the same logic, he could have bit her hand or slapped her and you'd be okay because she wasn't relenting. Sorry, but in the real world the value of a person is greater than the value of property and he is culpable for his poor decision.

Well, at least we've stepped back from "ZMFOG you're saying he could have killed her!!1!!@".

I guess that's some progress.

 

[dismal]

It’s good that you recognize that he caused his wife’s fall.

Baby steps.

He did play a part in that yes. But she also played a part in that when she did not relent her grip on the phone. Something you will never acknowledge.

Suppose she is on the ground and still won't let go of the phone. How hard can he justifiably kick her until she lets go? If she puts it in her shirt, should he rip it off, or try to unbutton it?

Why is it so compelling to make up things that didn't happen?

She took his phone. He tried to take it back. He grabbed the phone, she held onto it and in doing so fell down.

The only question to be answered here is was his use of force, i.e. grabbing his own wrongly taken phone and trying to pull it back, "reasonable".

I don't think its even close to unreasonable. He directed all his effort at grabbing the phone and taking it back. He did not direct any kicks or rabbit punches to her midsection after he had it. he didn't stab her or beat her with a blunt object. He ddin't pistol whip her or shoot her 20 times in the chest with a semi automatic rifle. I think you could get most people to agree if he'd done some of those things his use of force would have ventured into the "unreasonable" and "excessive".

But back in reality, that's not what he did.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

It’s good that you recognize that he caused his wife’s fall.

Baby steps.

He did play a part in that yes. But she also played a part in that when she did not relent her grip on the phone. Something you will never acknowledge.

Suppose she is on the ground and still won't let go of the phone. How hard can he justifiably kick her until she lets go? If she puts it in her shirt, should he rip it off, or try to unbutton it?

Interesting question. What if he took her phone and put it down his pants?

 

[dismal]

Suppose she is on the ground and still won't let go of the phone. How hard can he justifiably kick her until she lets go? If she puts it in her shirt, should he rip it off, or try to unbutton it?

Interesting question. What if he took her phone and put it down his pants?

Wait is he still a rich cis white male? Or is he gay or trans or illegal alien? Something that would give him enough identity scale points to justify his actions.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

What I want to know is why everyone on both sides is just too damn afraid to discuss what the moral implications would have been if one of the two of them had escalated the situation by making a chemical warfare attack on the city.

You're all just a bunch of cowards

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Using the same logic, he could have bit her hand or slapped her and you'd be okay because she wasn't relenting. Sorry, but in the real world the value of a person is greater than the value of property and he is culpable for his poor decision.

Well, at least we've stepped back from "ZMFOG you're saying he could have killed her!!1!!@".

I guess that's some progress.

Making her fall due to pulling on phone: okay. Killing her: not okay. Okay, got it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Using the same logic, he could have bit her hand or slapped her and you'd be okay because she wasn't relenting. Sorry, but in the real world the value of a person is greater than the value of property and he is culpable for his poor decision.

Well, at least we've stepped back from "ZMFOG you're saying he could have killed her!!1!!@".

I guess that's some progress.

Making her fall due to pulling on phone: okay. Killing her: not okay. Okay, got it.

I think we just kind of divide into two sets of marriages... one where an incident like this would be very significant and one where it was just a shoulder shrug and people move on.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I think we just kind of divide into two sets of marriages... one where an incident like this would be very significant and one where it was just a shoulder shrug and people move on.

So, one set of marriages between normal people and one set between a couple of hysterical drama queens?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think we just kind of divide into two sets of marriages... one where an incident like this would be very significant and one where it was just a shoulder shrug and people move on.

So, one set of marriages between normal people and one set between a couple of hysterical drama queens?

Yeah, exactly.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

rich people

 

[Toni]

I think we just kind of divide into two sets of marriages... one where an incident like this would be very significant and one where it was just a shoulder shrug and people move on.

So, one set of marriages between normal people and one set between a couple of hysterical drama queens?

You know, I’ve been married a long time. We’ve had some pretty heated arguments. I’ve never done anything to cause my spouse to fall off a chair nor has he ever done that to me. But if either of us had ever caused the other to fall or I anyway come to harm, we would have immediately stopped the conflict and expressed concern and contrition over any possible harm caused to our spouse. To me, that’s normal: expressing concern and contrition over unintentional harm caused in the heat of an argument.

That’s not what happened here. No contrition, no concern for a spouse who supposedly was already injured, if one actually believes that the injury occurred prior to and not as a result of the fall. Just sufficient anger on the part of the husband that multiple strangers intervened on the wife’s behalf.

And a whole lot of men here who see nothing wrong with his behavior. If she cried out in alarm, or pain! While falling to the ground, she was being ‘dramatic.’ Wrestling a phone away from one’s spouse is apparently not dramatic or out of proportion at all. Because of course men are not ‘dramatic.’ Just justified in however badly they lose their temper and self control. She should have immediately obeyed his orders. Because that’s how people and marriages work. He demands; she complied immediately and his loss of control is justified and her expressions of alarm or pain are ‘dramatic.’

Apparently it’s normal in some people’s eyes to care more about a phone than the physical well-being of the person you are married to.

That’s extremely illuminating.

And by illuminating, I mean disgusting.

 

[repoman]

Yeah, causing an injury from this fracas is not as bad as going into the fracas knowing she was injured.

 

[barbos]

I think we just kind of divide into two sets of marriages... one where an incident like this would be very significant and one where it was just a shoulder shrug and people move on.

So, one set of marriages between normal people and one set between a couple of hysterical drama queens?

You know, I’ve been married a long time. We’ve had some pretty heated arguments. I’ve never done anything to cause my spouse to fall off a chair nor has he ever done that to me.

What about nagging? have you ever nagged him off the chair?

 

[Toni]

You know, I’ve been married a long time. We’ve had some pretty heated arguments. I’ve never done anything to cause my spouse to fall off a chair nor has he ever done that to me.

What about nagging? have you ever nagged him off the chair?

I thought my real life info was secure! I’m gonna have to have a long talk with him!

 

[barbos]

You know, I’ve been married a long time. We’ve had some pretty heated arguments. I’ve never done anything to cause my spouse to fall off a chair nor has he ever done that to me.

What about nagging? have you ever nagged him off the chair?

I thought my real life info was secure! I’m gonna have to have a long talk with him!

Jokes aside, nagging is as serious as physical violence.