Rep. Katie Hill Sex Scandal

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Of course he wants it back, but I was glad he lost. The local Libertarian Party never went as far as to positively endorse a Democrat (it is against our rules) but we endorsed his defeat multiple times.

Irony is dead.

Might help if you knew what irony is.

 

[ZiprHead]

Of course he wants it back, but I was glad he lost. The local Libertarian Party never went as far as to positively endorse a Democrat (it is against our rules) but we endorsed his defeat multiple times.

Irony is dead.

Might help if you knew what irony is.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And walked away with multiple millions of dollars.

He would have had more if he stayed. He didn't profit by being fired.

Yes he did. You're arguing that he didn't profit--as much as he would have if he had stayed.

So what?

Two courses of action: Stay or leave. He would end up with more on the former course. Thus it is unreasonable to say he profited by the latter course.

 

[lpetrich]

Cenk Uygur's embarrassing past: Young Turks' Cenk Uygur Apologizes for 'Ugly,' 'Insensitive' Old Blog Posts He scrubbed them from his blog, but here is some of what he wrote back in 2000. He seems like some angry incel:

... it seems like there is a sea of tits here, and I am drinking in tiny droplets. I want to dive into the whole god damn ocean.

... Obviously, the genes of women are flawed. They are poorly designed creatures who do not want to have sex nearly as often as needed for the human race to get along peaceably and fruitfully.

He recently said about what he wrote back then:

“If someone said that today, I would heavily criticize them on the show and rightfully so, and I have. I’ve criticized myself over the years,” he added. “I had not yet matured and I was still a conservative who thought that stuff was politically incorrect and edgy. When you read it now, it looks really, honestly, ugly. And it’s very uncomfortable to read.”

 

[ZiprHead]

Yes he did. You're arguing that he didn't profit--as much as he would have if he had stayed.

So what?

Two courses of action: Stay or leave. He would end up with more on the former course. Thus it is unreasonable to say he profited by the latter course.

27 million dollars. Such a sacrifice he made.

 

[lpetrich]

Katie Hill on Twitter: "I want to make sure everyone knows that @RoKhanna was hugely supportive of me and I consider him a friend and ally. He has already reached out and we will be discussing how we can work together to ensure this seat remains blue." / Twitter
noting
Rep. Ro Khanna on Twitter: "Katie Hill’s acceptance of responsibility + apology stand in sharp contrast to the blatant denials of men, still in power, who have been accused of far worse.
Is there still a place in politics for humility, resilience, hard work, and hope? If so, there’s a place for Katie Hill" / Twitter
noting
MSNBC on Twitter: "Rep. Katie Hill: "The forces of revenge by a bitter, jealous man, cyber exploitation, and sexual shaming ... have combined to push a young woman out of power ... Yet a man who brags about his sexual predation ... sits in the highest office of the land." [url]https://t.co/ALp382bASY https://t.co/kWkt9Bnj5k" / Twitter[/url]
with some video of her resignation speech.

 

[lpetrich]

 Cenk Uygur was born in Turkey in 1970, and his parents took him with them to the US in 1978. After being a conservative for a while, he gradually became a liberal, and he founded  The Young Turks online radio station, and then an online TV channel. That name is from

Young Turk ,
1. Young progressive or insurgent member of an institution, movement, or political party. 2. Young person who rebels against authority or societal expectations. (American Heritage Dictionary)

The original was  Young Turks, some early-20th-cy. Turkish modernizers and rebels. Despite their name, they included lots of other ethnicities.

The show has co-presenter  Ana Kasparian, a descendant of Armenian immigrants. Her father's-side great grandparents were close to the early-20th-cy. Armenian genocide. An issue that has caused some controversy: After years of denying the Armenian genocide, Cenk Uygur now says he doesn’t know enough about it to say anything « Why Evolution Is True Timeline of Cenk Uygur’s “non-denial” of Armenian Genocide (WIP)


I got curious when I noticed the end of Ana Kasparian's last name. Armenian last names almost always end in -ian or -yan. So I checked on her Wikipedia article, and I found that she is the daughter of some Armenian immigrants. I thought it nice that a Turk and an Armenian could get along despite one of them's ancestors once trying to exterminate the other of them's ancestors. Then I found Cenk Uygur's rather unflattering history about the Armenian-genocide issue.


So CY will have a *lot* of baggage -- baggage that the Republicans will likely want to exploit.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Cenk Uygur has decided to enter the race as the Democrat candidate.

He who likes to go back 20+ years to find anything that can be interpreted negatively is upset that people are using some of his older quotes against him.

 

[lpetrich]

Shocking photos of Democratic Congresswoman Katie Hill revealed

Opinion | Katie Hill: It’s Not Over After All - The New York Times - "I overcame the desperation I felt after stepping down from Congress, and I’m still in the fight."
Content warning: suicide.

People have speculated that Speaker Pelosi or the party leadership asked me to resign because of the photos and the allegations about me. That could not be further from the truth. In fact, one of the most difficult moments during my resignation process was my phone call to the Speaker, a woman I admire more than anyone and whom I had come to love. She told me I didn’t have to do this, that the country needed me and that she wished I hadn’t made this decision, but she respected me and what I felt I needed to do. I told her what I told everyone else when I announced my resignation: that it was the right thing to do.

She talked about her goodbye party with her fellow freshman Representatives.

At the end of the evening, I sat uncomfortably on a bar stool and cried as my friends went around the room and said the nicest things — things I needed to hear. Each and every one of them told me that I wasn’t done. Alex — “A.O.C.,” as people like to call her — said I was a warrior and always would be.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "
“It wasn’t the first time I had tried to leave [my husband]; the last time... he made it clear to me that if I left, he would ruin me. So I went back.”
Read Katie’s story and understand the toll of abusive partners & cyber exploitation.
No one should live in this kind of fear. https://t.co/FT7OG4nJQY" / Twitter

 

[Toni]

Yes he did. You're arguing that he didn't profit--as much as he would have if he had stayed.

So what?

Two courses of action: Stay or leave. He would end up with more on the former course. Thus it is unreasonable to say he profited by the latter course.

No. It’s really not. He was in a no-lose position. One way was just more profitable.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes he did. You're arguing that he didn't profit--as much as he would have if he had stayed.

So what?

Two courses of action: Stay or leave. He would end up with more on the former course. Thus it is unreasonable to say he profited by the latter course.

No. It’s really not. He was in a no-lose position. One way was just more profitable.

Being in a no-lose position doesn't mean that one course isn't superior to the other.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Shocking photos of Democratic Congresswoman Katie Hill revealed

I don't give a hoot about the nudity or the bong. The tattoo, though, is not a good thing and we already know the relationship was inappropriate.

 

[Derec]

I don't give a hoot about the nudity or the bong. The tattoo, though, is not a good thing and we already know the relationship was inappropriate.

What's wrong with the tattoo? Just because it's German does not make it Naziesque.

 

[Derec]

Cenk Uygur has decided to enter the race as the Democrat candidate.

He who likes to go back 20+ years to find anything that can be interpreted negatively is upset that people are using some of his older quotes against him.

Well he is an apologist for the Armenian Genocide.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't give a hoot about the nudity or the bong. The tattoo, though, is not a good thing and we already know the relationship was inappropriate.

What's wrong with the tattoo? Just because it's German does not make it Naziesque.

It's a commonly-used Nazi symbol. These days I would be surprised at anyone getting such a tattoo for any other reason.

 

[Derec]

It's a commonly-used Nazi symbol. These days I would be surprised at anyone getting such a tattoo for any other reason.

Iron Cross both predates and postdates Nazi Germany.



Germans are very oversensitive about their Nazi past, and not even they think it's a Nazi symbol.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's a commonly-used Nazi symbol. These days I would be surprised at anyone getting such a tattoo for any other reason.

Iron Cross both predates and postdates Nazi Germany.
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Germans are very oversensitive about their Nazi past, and not even they think it's a Nazi symbol.

It's totally tainted by it's association with the Nazis. For it to be used in any context other than the traditional uses is basically a Nazi symbol.

 

[Derec]

It's totally tainted by it's association with the Nazis.

I don't see any evidence that Katie Hill intended it as a Nazi symbol. Especially since, as I pointed out, it's not a Nazi symbol at all.

Oh and by the way, modern Luftwaffe uses the curved cross but WWII Luftwaffe used the straight (Balkenkreuz) version.

For it to be used in any context other than the traditional uses is basically a Nazi symbol.

I say if it's innocuous enough to be used as a roundel on contemporary German military planes, it's innocuous enough to be tattooed above a former congresswoman's bush.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Derek, you're using facts. That's a bad habit around here. It doesn't matter that it is not a Nazi symbol. All that matters is that someone thinks it is so everyone else must stop using it or be accused of Nazi association.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Derek, you're using facts. That's a bad habit around here. It doesn't matter that it is not a Nazi symbol. All that matters is that someone thinks it is so everyone else must stop using it or be accused of Nazi association.

And then you can punch them.