Pelosi: Impeachment Is Moving Forward

[Half-Life]

Yes, the Democrats claimed in the House they had enough evidence to take it to trial. They should have never taken it to trial if they didn't have enough evidence yet. You don't send it to the Senate ready for trial and then say, "Wait! Hold on! We need more witnesses!" That's not how trials work. Dems shot themselves in the foot once again.

Wut, they don't call witnesses at trials? Tell us how it works then, Perry Mason.

You have your witness list set up BEFORE the trial, so the court knows. You don't say, "We're ready for trial" and then during the trial say, "Wait! We need witnesses!" If the Dems didn't have enough witnesses/evidence, they should've never flew it into the Senate faster than a cheetah to a dead lion.

 

[ZiprHead]

Yes, the Democrats claimed in the House they had enough evidence to take it to trial. They should have never taken it to trial if they didn't have enough evidence yet. You don't send it to the Senate ready for trial and then say, "Wait! Hold on! We need more witnesses!" That's not how trials work. Dems shot themselves in the foot once again.

Wut, they don't call witnesses at trials? Tell us how it works then, Perry Mason.

You have your witness list set up BEFORE the trial, so the court knows. You don't say, "We're ready for trial" and then during the trial say, "Wait! We need witnesses!" If the Dems didn't have enough witnesses/evidence, they should've never flew it into the Senate faster than a cheetah to a dead lion.

They had a witness list, twelve people on it. Also a documents list, 71 documents on it.

 

[Elixir]

Yes, the Democrats claimed in the House they had enough evidence to take it to trial. They should have never taken it to trial if they didn't have enough evidence yet. You don't send it to the Senate ready for trial and then say, "Wait! Hold on! We need more witnesses!" That's not how trials work. Dems shot themselves in the foot once again.

Wut, they don't call witnesses at trials? Tell us how it works then, Perry Mason.

Actually, that's EXACTLY how trials work. Trials also have evidence presented. Trials are not the simple reading of an indictment and a vote as to whether it's true - a trial consists of presentations of witness testimony and documentary, forensic or other evidence. But no self respecting trump-toady is to be denied the cozy comfort of their own abysmal ignorance...

 

[ZiprHead]

EL CHAPO OUTRAGED THAT HIS TRIAL INCLUDED WITNESSES

FLORENCE, COLORADO (The Borowitz Report)—The convicted drug lord known as El Chapo said on Thursday that he was “outraged” his 2019 trial had included witnesses. He also revealed that he was demanding a new trial without them.

Speaking from ADX Florence, a maximum-security facility in Colorado, the former drug kingpin complained that his trial would have resulted in a speedy acquittal had it not been for the irritating presence of witnesses.

“If I had to point to one reason why I was convicted of all of those crimes, it would have to be witnesses,” he said. “Once the decision was made to include witnesses, things really went downhill for me.”

 

[ZiprHead]

False and Misleading Claims at Impeachment Trial

White House counsel Pat Cipollone falsely suggested Republicans were barred from the closed-door depositions conducted by the House intelligence committee. But members of three committees — both Democrats and Republicans — participated.

Jay Sekulow, President Donald Trump’s attorney, falsely said, “During the proceedings that took place before the Judiciary Committee, the president was denied the right to cross-examine witnesses … the right to access evidence and … the right to have counsel present at hearings.” The committee chair invited Trump and his lawyers to participate, but they declined.

Cipollone claimed Rep. Adam Schiff, the House intelligence committee chairman, “manufactured a false version” of the July 25 phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian president and “he didn’t tell” the American people “it was a complete fake.” Schiff indicated he was giving “the essence” of Trump’s remarks and about an hour later said it was “at least part in parody.”

Sekulow said the special counsel’s report on Russian interference during the 2016 election found Trump committed “no obstruction.” That’s not what the report said. While the report “does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” it said, citing “multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence.”

In addition, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said his resolution outlining the impeachment trial procedures “tracks closely” with the rules of trials for other presidents. How closely McConnell’s resolution tracks with the procedures used in the past may be a matter of opinion. However, there are some differences between the rules for Trump’s trial and President Bill Clinton’s.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Yup. I can only shake my head - if the consequences of Republican Senators cramming this shitburger down the throats of a citizenry that is overwhelmingly (75%) opposed to it are not as bad the consequences of airing the truth, it's hard to imagine how bad the truth really is for them.

Actually, it's scary. They will be desperate to win and emboldened to cheat in the coming elections. Because if they lose, it could make the number of people sent to jail in the Nixon case pale by comparison. I think it goes beyond simply trying to keep their jobs.

There is about a 100% chance that more shit will be coming out between now and election day (for instance WH counsel is probably a fact witness), but there must be things that Republicans are betting they can keep secret, at least until then.

No one is seeing any jail.

trump's lawyer, trump's campaign manager, already in jail. Trump's Ukraine associates headed for jail.

There will be no cheating. If Bernie does win the Dem nomination, it's over for him. Trump is gonna go on stage and say, "Commie Sanders wants to turn America into Russia.

so, wait. No cheating, but you predict that Bonespurs will lie?
You're repeating anumber of falsehoods already.

He went there on vacation and loved it. Who's the real Russian collusion guy?" Bernie's gonna get destroyed by Trump.

Ireally do think the shitgibbon will destroy himself.
He'll think he's been vindicated and is untouchable. And sane hand on the rudder is going to be slapped away. Most campaign ads will just quote his contradictory bullshit, and remind voters who gave this shithead a pass...

 

[Trausti]

Boo hoo hoo. One party played politics after the other party played politics.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Boo hoo hoo. One party played politics after the other party played politics.

So, stating an intent to work with the defendant, then swearing an oath of impartiality, then ignoring the oath, that's "politics" niw?

 

[crazyfingers]

Boo hoo hoo. One party played politics after the other party played politics.

That is perhaps the most twisted and may I say dishonest interpretation as I have heard.

Trump is a thoroughly corrupt person and has endangered national security and our institutions of democracy for his person corrupt gains.

This is way beyond politics. This is the Republican party enabling the destruction of the rule of law.

 

[ZiprHead]

Yup. I can only shake my head - if the consequences of Republican Senators cramming this shitburger down the throats of a citizenry that is overwhelmingly (75%) opposed to it are not as bad the consequences of airing the truth, it's hard to imagine how bad the truth really is for them.

Actually, it's scary. They will be desperate to win and emboldened to cheat in the coming elections. Because if they lose, it could make the number of people sent to jail in the Nixon case pale by comparison. I think it goes beyond simply trying to keep their jobs.

There is about a 100% chance that more shit will be coming out between now and election day (for instance WH counsel is probably a fact witness), but there must be things that Republicans are betting they can keep secret, at least until then.

No one is seeing any jail. There will be no cheating. If Bernie does win the Dem nomination, it's over for him. Trump is gonna go on stage and say, "Commie Sanders wants to turn America into Russia. He went there on vacation and loved it. Who's the real Russian collusion guy?" Bernie's gonna get destroyed by Trump.

Do you not remember Trump trying to get a Trump Tower built in Moscow? That he conducted the Miss Universe Pageant there? Trump's been to Russia a helluva a lot more than Bernie. If Trump was smart, he wouldn't go near the subject of Russia.

 

[Trausti]

Boo hoo hoo. One party played politics after the other party played politics.

That is perhaps the most twisted and may I say dishonest interpretation as I have heard.

Trump is a thoroughly corrupt person and has endangered national security and our institutions of democracy for his person corrupt gains.

This is way beyond politics. This is the Republican party enabling the destruction of the rule of law.

Oh, please. This might all have seemed credible if Dems hadn’t been braying for impeachment since before Trump’s inauguration. There’s was already the intent to impeach, just searching for the pretext. This was the sole purpose of the Russia collusion hoax and the Muller investigation. That failed. So, with the 2020 election around the corner, the Dems deployed plan D. The thing about a partisan impeachment is that it’s partisan.

 

[JohnG]

Boo hoo hoo. One party played politics after the other party played politics.

That is perhaps the most twisted and may I say dishonest interpretation as I have heard.

Trump is a thoroughly corrupt person and has endangered national security and our institutions of democracy for his person corrupt gains.

This is way beyond politics. This is the Republican party enabling the destruction of the rule of law.

Oh, please. This might all have seemed credible if Dems hadn’t been braying for impeachment since before Trump’s inauguration. There’s was already the intent to impeach, just searching for the pretext. This was the sole purpose of the Russia collusion hoax and the Muller investigation. That failed. So, with the 2020 election around the corner, the Dems deployed plan D. The thing about a partisan impeachment is that it’s partisan.

I find this an odd take. If Dems wanted to impeach him earlier, they would have. I'm surprised how long it took.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Boo hoo hoo. One party played politics after the other party played politics.

That is perhaps the most twisted and may I say dishonest interpretation as I have heard.

Trump is a thoroughly corrupt person and has endangered national security and our institutions of democracy for his person corrupt gains.

This is way beyond politics. This is the Republican party enabling the destruction of the rule of law.

Oh, please. This might all have seemed credible if Dems hadn’t been braying for impeachment since before Trump’s inauguration. There’s was already the intent to impeach, just searching for the pretext. This was the sole purpose of the Russia collusion hoax and the Muller investigation. That failed. So, with the 2020 election around the corner, the Dems deployed plan D. The thing about a partisan impeachment is that it’s partisan.

Well, it's cool to know the parameters of how future Democratic presidents can use foreign aid! I try to always look at the bright side when possible.

 

[crazyfingers]

Boo hoo hoo. One party played politics after the other party played politics.

That is perhaps the most twisted and may I say dishonest interpretation as I have heard.

Trump is a thoroughly corrupt person and has endangered national security and our institutions of democracy for his person corrupt gains.

This is way beyond politics. This is the Republican party enabling the destruction of the rule of law.

Oh, please. This might all have seemed credible if Dems hadn’t been braying for impeachment since before Trump’s inauguration. There’s was already the intent to impeach, just searching for the pretext. This was the sole purpose of the Russia collusion hoax and the Muller investigation. That failed. So, with the 2020 election around the corner, the Dems deployed plan D. The thing about a partisan impeachment is that it’s partisan.

The man is doing his best to corrupt our institutions of democracy, of justice and of good government. He must be stopped before he succeeds.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

That's some huge nationalistic tendencies there. I thought you guys were against borders and flags?

Wtf.

If you're not an anarchist, I apologize. A lot of them exist on the left today. Strangely, despite being in favor of no government, no borders, and no flags, they still want social security and medicaid, which are government programs, which you can't have with no government.

I'm a veteran.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Not certain why Trausti can't remember that the Trump Justice Department launched the Mueller Investigation. They, along with most on the right, have suffered from some sort of brain trauma that requires them to be repeatedly told that the Democrats had no involvement in launching the Mueller Investigation. That was the Justice Department, who hired Mueller which was initially applauded by the GOP until who the fuck knows what was said to Sen. Graham et al.

 

[Elixir]

Oh, please. This might all have seemed credible if Dems hadn’t been braying for impeachment since before Trump’s inauguration. There’s was already the intent to impeach, just searching for the pretext. This was the sole purpose of the Russia collusion hoax and the Muller investigation. That failed. So, with the 2020 election around the corner, the Dems deployed plan D. The thing about a partisan impeachment is that it’s partisan.

The man is doing his best to corrupt our institutions of democracy, of justice and of good government. He must be stopped before he succeeds.

 

[Keith&Co.]

That's not how it works, Keith. You gather witnesses and evidence BEFORE the trial. You don't want until the trial has started before saying, "Wait! Wait!" The judge will roll their eyes and ask, "Why'd you say you were ready for trial in the first place?"

They never said 'wait, wait.' They had testimony from18 people.
But not from the people Trump ordered as part of his obstruction.

The Trump team simultaneous claimed there was not enough evidence, and there was plenty of evidence. That there was no direct witness testimony, which was because of the obstruction.

You're saying people listened to Trump to obstruct even on threat of jail time?

He would have just pardoned them.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Boo hoo hoo. One party played politics after the other party played politics.

That is perhaps the most twisted and may I say dishonest interpretation as I have heard.

Trump is a thoroughly corrupt person and has endangered national security and our institutions of democracy for his person corrupt gains.

This is way beyond politics. This is the Republican party enabling the destruction of the rule of law.

Oh, please. This might all have seemed credible if Dems hadn’t been braying for impeachment since before Trump’s inauguration. There’s was already the intent to impeach, just searching for the pretext. This was the sole purpose of the Russia collusion hoax and the Muller investigation. That failed. So, with the 2020 election around the corner, the Dems deployed plan D. The thing about a partisan impeachment is that it’s partisan.

The Republicans were guilty of RussiaGate. Roger Stone. Members of the crime family, including Twitler, invited Russia to interfere in our election. Republicans who still favor Trump are traitors to democracy.

 

[Ford]

Oh, please. This might all have seemed credible if Dems hadn’t been braying for impeachment since before Trump’s inauguration. There’s was already the intent to impeach, just searching for the pretext. This was the sole purpose of the Russia collusion hoax and the Muller investigation. That failed. So, with the 2020 election around the corner, the Dems deployed plan D. The thing about a partisan impeachment is that it’s partisan.

The Republicans were guilty of RussiaGate. Roger Stone. Members of the crime family, including Twitler, invited Russia to interfere in our election. Republicans who still favor Trump are traitors to democracy.

I think it's worth remembering what happened in the 1990s. The Republican Party did exactly what they're accusing the Democrats of doing: Pursuing impeachment from day one. The interesting thing is that their investigation began over the Clinton involvement in a shady real estate deal. That didn't stick, so they moved on to sexual harassment and finally, marital infidelity.

Shady real estate deals, sexual harassment, marital infidelity. It all sounds so familiar for some reason.

Eventually, they tagged him for lying about his relationship with Monica, but the special prosecutor's investigation began before Bill and Monica even met. Hypocrisy, thy initials are GOP. And as I said earlier, you can bet your bottom dollar that if the Democrats win in November, everything the new President does will be considered illegal, unconstitutional, and impeachable by the Republicans. It only remains to be seen if they manage to flip the House so they can start the proceedings right away.