Democrats 2020

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The 15% who said they plan to vote for Trump represents just 6% of Democrats and voters who lean Democratic, according to ABC News. Trump won 8% of Democrats in 2016.

So it would appear because Bernie reaches out to many moderates, the vast majority of these 15% persons are Republicans and those leaning Republican.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

WE ALREADY HAVE “FREE” TUITION. Fucking hell.



Every single person in America that cannot afford to attend public college (which is what all of this is about; it ain’t “free” Harvard), has been able to do so—almost exclusively because of Democrats, particularly in their respective State legislatures—due to taxpayer subsidies of some kind.

Pell Grants, for a prominent example, were effectively created in 1965 by Democratic Senator Claiborne Pell of Rhode Island under Lyndon B. Johnson and expanded significantly in 1978 by Jimmy Carter.

The problem has been certain State legislatures allowing their public colleges to increase their tuition and dumping their State responsbility to subsidize onto the Federal government more and more. It’s a problem with Republicans in State legislatures, NOT a failure of any kind in regard to the Federal government.

Regardless, NO such proposal is moving anyone “further left.” That is a vacuous, bullshit bumper sticker slogan created primarily by the Sanders camp that stupid people on the left keep regurgitating.

Literally NOTHING Sanders has proposed is any “further left” than what the Democrats have been proposing—in one form or another—for at least half a century. Not one fucking thing.

In regard to “free” public college tuition, Sanders EVEN STATED IT WASN’T ANYTHING NEW.

Saying anyone in the current or recent political arena is or has moved anyone “further left” is as vapid as anything Trump tries to get away with, so why the fuck are any of you repeating it?

No this isn't true.

What isn't true? That the phrase moving "further left" is complete vacuous bullshit bumper sticker sloganry and nothing more? That literally every policy proposal from Bernie Sanders and the "new left" is taken straight from the DNC platform that's been on the books since at least Kennedy--such as the idea of taxpayer subsidized higher education--and is in no way an example of anyone moving "further left"? That is absolutely true.

That we ALREADY provide "free" tuition to public colleges? Absolutely true.

They give financial aid based on their ASSESSMENT of MERIT and NEED.

Right. So if you have the means to pay, you pay. If you do not, you do not pay.

If you have a rich father who disowns you, you might be in a situation where you can't prove it

Ok, so in that .00000000000000001% situation, that won't ever exist irl, where a rich "disowned" kid, who can't get in on merit? That one kid can throw a gofundme campaign.

If on the other hand, college were simply free that is completely different.

Again, no one is proposing that "college" be "free;" it only applies to public colleges, not private colleges. And it's not free; it's taxpayer subsidized, just like they are right now. The question to answer is how does the Federal government take over from the States?

But the point remains, this has been on the DNC platform--as Sanders conceded back in 2016--since at least LBJ. It is NOT an example of anyone moving "further left."

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I found something interesting and shared it. You apparently think that's wrong.

It's not interesting. It's disinformation that the conservolibertarian Tucker Carlson wants to spread everywhere.

Oh, I didn't know he didn't exist.

I found it interesting, so I shared it. Did you ever share something that Trump said with "can you believe this bullshit?" as a response?

That means you found it interesting and therefore shared it. Hmmm....

According to you, finding something interesting and sharing it means you support the person who said it...

 

[lpetrich]

Poll: 15% of Sanders supporters will vote for Trump if Biden is nominee; 80% would back Biden

Idjits.

That's rather common in the extreme left - hating the moderate left much more than the right.


Amanda Marcotte on Twitter: "I’m mostly holding it together these days, but every time I think that Democratic voters had a chance to have Warren as the nominee and foolishly took a pass, my heart stops a little." / Twitter

Amanda Marcotte on Twitter: "We need an FDR-like figure: Brilliant, empathetic, creative in their thinking, and able to provide hope in dark times. But because such a person is a woman, she was set aside. Sexism doesn’t just hurt the women who are discriminated against. It deprives us all of their talents." / Twitter

Amanda Marcotte on Twitter: "Warren is being the leader we need in Congress, of course. But man, I have no doubt she would be a powerful counterpoint to Trump’s malevolence and incompetence on the campaign trail." / Twitter

Amanda Marcotte seems like a very fervent "Warren Wife", for lack of a better term. Like Katie Porter and Ayanna Pressley, She also seems to strongly dislike Bernie Sanders.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I found something interesting and shared it. You apparently think that's wrong.

It's not interesting. It's disinformation that the conservolibertarian Tucker Carlson wants to spread everywhere.

Oh, I didn't know he didn't exist.

I found it interesting, so I shared it. Did you ever share something that Trump said with "can you believe this bullshit?" as a response?

That means you found it interesting and therefore shared it. Hmmm....

According to you, finding something interesting and sharing it means you support the person who said it...

According to me, it's not interesting. It's dumb. And disinformation. According to YOU it's interesting and you chose to spread it.

 

[lpetrich]

Alyssa Milano on Twitter: "Thank you, @WhoopiGoldberg. This moment in time is too important to take bullshit from our politicians. https://t.co/grx1azJBjX" / Twitter

From WG interviewing Bernie Sanders. She asked him what he thinks his path to victory is. BS responded by talking about the next coronavirus-related stimulus bill -- he ducked the question entirely.

So is BS continuing in the race to make a statement? Thus being like Tulsi Gabbard. Or does he think that it isn't over until it's over?

 

[angelo]

Alyssa Milano on Twitter: "Thank you, @WhoopiGoldberg. This moment in time is too important to take bullshit from our politicians. https://t.co/grx1azJBjX" / Twitter

From WG interviewing Bernie Sanders. She asked him what he thinks his path to victory is. BS responded by talking about the next coronavirus-related stimulus bill -- he ducked the question entirely.

So is BS continuing in the race to make a statement? Thus being like Tulsi Gabbard. Or does he think that it isn't over until it's over?

And His reply is surprising? In all reality, the Bern should apply for work at the add company that produces KFC adds. The man is a dead ringer for Colonel Harlem Sanders and a much more suitable occupation than politics. All he has to do is grow a goatee. His near commo ideology would never be accepted by middle America.

 

[laughing dog]

Alyssa Milano on Twitter: "Thank you, @WhoopiGoldberg. This moment in time is too important to take bullshit from our politicians. https://t.co/grx1azJBjX" / Twitter

From WG interviewing Bernie Sanders. She asked him what he thinks his path to victory is. BS responded by talking about the next coronavirus-related stimulus bill -- he ducked the question entirely.

So is BS continuing in the race to make a statement? Thus being like Tulsi Gabbard. Or does he think that it isn't over until it's over?

And His reply is surprising? In all reality, the Bern should apply for work at the add company that produces KFC adds. The man is a dead ringer for Colonel Harlem Sanders and a much more suitable occupation than politics. All he has to do is grow a goatee. His near commo ideology would never be accepted by middle America.

His name was HARLAN Sanders, not Harlem Sanders.

 

[PyramidHead]

Poll: 15% of Sanders supporters will vote for Trump if Biden is nominee; 80% would back Biden

Idjits.

The 15% who said they plan to vote for Trump represents just 6% of Democrats and voters who lean Democratic, according to ABC News. Trump won 8% of Democrats in 2016.

In other words, the poll is saying that Sanders appeals to a segment of Trump voters more than Biden does, and more than Clinton did. Do you guys not want to win the general election or something?

 

[PyramidHead]

Alyssa Milano on Twitter: "Thank you, @WhoopiGoldberg. This moment in time is too important to take bullshit from our politicians. https://t.co/grx1azJBjX" / Twitter

From WG interviewing Bernie Sanders. She asked him what he thinks his path to victory is. BS responded by talking about the next coronavirus-related stimulus bill -- he ducked the question entirely.

So is BS continuing in the race to make a statement? Thus being like Tulsi Gabbard. Or does he think that it isn't over until it's over?

Half the country has yet to vote for a candidate
The month of March spanned approximately a decade in terms of social upheaval
Everyone is losing their jobs and their health insurance and not able to pay rent
Biden is doubling down on running AGAINST single payer universal health care
While also sundowning on live TV, losing his train of thought mid-sentence and forgetting his platform
While being credibly accused of literally grabbing a woman by the pussy.

In short here is the chart that every news network should be showing:

 

[PyramidHead]

Everything has changed overnight

So two candidates, one leadership test, two very different responses: hiding away and then stumbling versus springing into action. But so what? “The Democratic primary is over. Biden won. It’s nice that Sanders is helping, but he still lost.”

The Democratic primary is not over. And Sanders supporters need to immediately recognize that it isn’t over. It was over. But it’s back on. And Sanders needs to be in it to win it, because the consequences of putting Joe Biden up against Donald Trump during this kind of historic calamity are unthinkable.

Let’s just remember where things stand with the primary, though it all seems like far distant history now: Sanders won the most votes in the early states, first Iowa and New Hampshire and then a blowout victory in Nevada. But then Joe Biden bounced back with a big South Carolina victory, and the centrist candidates lined up behind Biden before super Tuesday while progressives were still split between Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Biden developed unstoppable “momentum” as Democratic voters deemed him the “safe, responsible, pragmatic” choice, as opposed to the “radical” Bernie with his popular proposals for free healthcare, generous paid family leave, a Green New Deal, etc. Biden beat Bernie in Michigan, a state Bernie had won in 2016, which was the beginning of the end. By the time Biden won Florida and Illinois (in states with already depressed turnout due to coronavirus), people were barely paying attention to the primary. It was done.

I thought it was done myself. After Michigan I concluded privately: “It’s over. Unless something huge happens, like, I don’t know, a giant national economic collapse requiring a New Deal style intervention that vindicates all of Bernie’s arguments, the rest of the primaries are irrelevant.” And then, um…

 

[Politesse]

Poll: 15% of Sanders supporters will vote for Trump if Biden is nominee; 80% would back Biden

Idjits.

The 15% who said they plan to vote for Trump represents just 6% of Democrats and voters who lean Democratic, according to ABC News. Trump won 8% of Democrats in 2016.

In other words, the poll is saying that Sanders appeals to a segment of Trump voters more than Biden does, and more than Clinton did. Do you guys not want to win the general election or something?

They chose Biden as their guy. Obviously winning the general election is not their... primary goal.

 

[PyramidHead]

It's not too late to rally behind the obvious choice for a leader during an unprecedented crisis of medical coverage, homelessness, and job security.

It's not too late to back the candidate who acknowledges that the United States system is broken and badly in need of repair, during a time when that conviction is being repeatedly vindicated each day.

It's not too late to remember that climate change isn't waiting for us to figure out the pandemic and still needs a bold, uncompromising plan.

It's not too late to run a candidate against Trump who can point out his bigotry and mistreatment of women with a straight face.

 

[laughing dog]

Poll: 15% of Sanders supporters will vote for Trump if Biden is nominee; 80% would back Biden

Idjits.

The 15% who said they plan to vote for Trump represents just 6% of Democrats and voters who lean Democratic, according to ABC News. Trump won 8% of Democrats in 2016.

In other words, the poll is saying that Sanders appeals to a segment of Trump voters more than Biden does, and more than Clinton did. Do you guys not want to win the general election or something?

Clearly for that 15 percent, defeating Trump is not an issue. Whether that is due to pique, or utter stupidity, they are not progressives.

 

[PyramidHead]

In other words, the poll is saying that Sanders appeals to a segment of Trump voters more than Biden does, and more than Clinton did. Do you guys not want to win the general election or something?

Clearly for that 15 percent, defeating Trump is not an issue. Whether that is due to pique, or utter stupidity, they are not progressives.

??? That 15 percent believes, rightly, that Trump is no worse than Biden. Run the candidate who is better than both to the most people and you win.

 

[PyramidHead]

Joe Biden is no better than Trump, you heard me. What can possibly be said about this point that hasn't been said before? Biden has the blood of literally millions of innocent people on his hands, has been on the wrong side of history on every issue imaginable, and is without a doubt the furthest right candidate the Democratic party could possibly have run. He has presided over, authored, and championed policies that have wrecked lives. There can be no doubt that his record is chock to the brim of decisions that have caused more suffering, death, and overall societal damage than anything Trump has done, with the possible exception of the COVID-19 crisis and how it is being mishandled--and on this issue, Biden has nothing to offer either. Nominate him at your peril, elect him to guarantee Tom Cotton 2024.

 

[Elixir]

Joe Biden is no better than Trump, you heard me. What can possibly be said about this point that hasn't been said before? Biden has the blood of literally millions of innocent people on his hands, has been on the wrong side of history on every issue imaginable, and is without a doubt the furthest right candidate the Democratic party could possibly have run. He has presided over, authored, and championed policies that have wrecked lives. There can be no doubt that his record is chock to the brim of decisions that have caused more suffering, death, and overall societal damage than anything Trump has done, with the possible exception of the COVID-19 crisis and how it is being mishandled--and on this issue, Biden has nothing to offer either. Nominate him at your peril, elect him to guarantee Tom Cotton 2024.

That's quite heavy on broad-brush condemnations, and totally devoid of specifics. But thanks for your opinion. What's wrong with Tom Cotton? No worse than Biden in your estimate.

BTW I can tell you specifically how Trump has destroyed lives, killed people, undermined democracy, aligned himself with foreign adversaries, lied literally thousands of times, been accused of sexual assault by a score or more women...

... but none of those things re Biden. Are you watching FOX News or something?

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Joe Biden is no better than Trump, you heard me.

And there it is.

 

[Politesse]

Joe Biden is no better than Trump, you heard me. What can possibly be said about this point that hasn't been said before? Biden has the blood of literally millions of innocent people on his hands, has been on the wrong side of history on every issue imaginable, and is without a doubt the furthest right candidate the Democratic party could possibly have run. He has presided over, authored, and championed policies that have wrecked lives. There can be no doubt that his record is chock to the brim of decisions that have caused more suffering, death, and overall societal damage than anything Trump has done, with the possible exception of the COVID-19 crisis and how it is being mishandled--and on this issue, Biden has nothing to offer either. Nominate him at your peril, elect him to guarantee Tom Cotton 2024.

That's quite heavy on broad-brush condemnations, and totally devoid of specifics. But thanks for your opinion. What's wrong with Tom Cotton? No worse than Biden in your estimate.

BTW I can tell you specifically how Trump has destroyed lives, killed people, undermined democracy, aligned himself with foreign adversaries, lied literally thousands of times, been accused of sexual assault by a score or more women...

... but none of those things re Biden. Are you watching FOX News or something?

Biden has never lied or been accused of sexually assaulting women? Your disdain for watching the news is clear enough. There's a reason he's been hiding from the press lately, and her name isn't Corona.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Joe Biden is no better than Trump, you heard me. What can possibly be said about this point that hasn't been said before? Biden has the blood of literally millions of innocent people on his hands, has been on the wrong side of history on every issue imaginable, and is without a doubt the furthest right candidate the Democratic party could possibly have run. He has presided over, authored, and championed policies that have wrecked lives. There can be no doubt that his record is chock to the brim of decisions that have caused more suffering, death, and overall societal damage than anything Trump has done, with the possible exception of the COVID-19 crisis and how it is being mishandled--and on this issue, Biden has nothing to offer either. Nominate him at your peril, elect him to guarantee Tom Cotton 2024.

So you would vote for Trump over Biden? If those are the choices.

Bernie was my favorite, but he's clearly out of it.