The Virus - Are You Affected?

[Jarhyn]

That is untrue. In the US, the covid-19 Case Fatality Ratio is 6.1. In other countries, it is as high as 16.4%. That means that for every 100 people who have tested positive for covid-19, somewhere between 6 and 16 people die. And then there are the people who end up in the hospital needing urgent care.

Ah, statistics. As said numerous times, I am skeptical of these numbers and you should be too. Looking at that web site the numbers vary from .1% to 16.4%. That is waaaaay too wide a range to be meaningful or reliable.The reality is, we don't know how many people have had it and never knew because they had no symptoms. Mass testing may shed a better light on things later.

Mass testing is starting to be done and it's not going exactly your way. A study in Spain with antibody tests in a representative sample indicates 5% in thre country have been infected. Given Spain's population of 47 million and a known death toll of 27k+ suggests a CFR of 1-1.2%

https://english.elpais.com/society/...paniards-have-contracted-the-coronavirus.html

When has data that conflicts with {TSwizzle, Derec, Dismal, Trausti, Metaphor, Angelo, Tigers!, LionIRC} ever made any difference in their claims? These people don't operate on (evidence implies principle), they operate on (argument to support belief). You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

Even if we were looking at a death rate of .1%, a one in one thousand death rate, that's far too small of a dice for me to roll it even once, let alone forcing everyone in the country to roll it because it's "not significant enough to care about".

 

[TSwizzle]

When has data that conflicts with {TSwizzle, Derec, Dismal, Trausti, Metaphor, Angelo, Tigers!, LionIRC} ever made any difference in their claims? These people don't operate on (evidence implies principle), they operate on (argument to support belief). You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

Utter tosh.

Even if we were looking at a death rate of .1%, a one in one thousand death rate, that's far too small of a dice for me to roll it even once, let alone forcing everyone in the country to roll it because it's "not significant enough to care about".

Why don’t you look at the data and see who this virus actually kills. For a start, at least 50% of fatalities are in long care homes. People that are effectively on lockdown anyway.

If you’re afraid, stay home.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

A Michigander on conditions now in Wisconsin.

While I am a Michigander, I have been in Wisconsin for the past several months helping my elderly father after my mom passed. So. Here I am. The news has been writing a lot about what will it all look like once restrictions are lifted. Let me tell you what you might see, since they are lifted here. The ones around here who take COVID seriously shop at 6 a.m. (that's when I go) with masks and gloves, and it's pretty sane. But by about 9:00, it's like nothing ever happened. I don't go into any public buildings after 8 a.m., but this morning, I just drove around to check out the situation after I was finished getting groceries. Parking lots are completely full everywhere. I sat in one mall lot eating my drive-thru breakfast, and people were heading into stores in droves. No masks. No social distancing. At the parks yesterday, when everything opened up, lots of crowds. (I went to go for a walk, I ended up not leaving my car). No social distancing AT ALL. One guy with a crowd of about 20 people was coughing like crazy, and they were all teasing him, but nobody looked concerned. And these were not kids - I'd say people in their 30s, 40s, and maybe even 50s. Traffic is completely back to normal, even a little higher. A lot of folks are driving up from Illinois to shop and get out. I think if someone took a poll, we might be very surprised at how many people either think this never was real or is now over. I am working very hard on staying calm and doing what I need to do without being too judgmental at how, literally in-your-face, people are behaving.

 

[TSwizzle]

Oh ffs, now it is becoming apparent what that insufferable prick Newsom is up to. While Newsom and the equally inept LA Mayor Garcetti fret about people sitting on towels at the beach, they continue to grind the California economy into the ground. Remember California is the fifth (or about) biggest economy in the world, but the end game for Newsom is get federal bail out money. What a fucking chancer this empty suit is. The lockdown is now a political tool for that prick to extort federal aid money.

 

[Politesse]

Extorting what money? Trump isn't going to give us a dime.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

When has data that conflicts with {TSwizzle, Derec, Dismal, Trausti, Metaphor, Angelo, Tigers!, LionIRC} ever made any difference in their claims? These people don't operate on (evidence implies principle), they operate on (argument to support belief). You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

Utter tosh.

Even if we were looking at a death rate of .1%, a one in one thousand death rate, that's far too small of a dice for me to roll it even once, let alone forcing everyone in the country to roll it because it's "not significant enough to care about".

Why don’t you look at the data and see who this virus actually kills. For a start, at least 50% of fatalities are in long care homes. People that are effectively on lockdown anyway.

If you’re afraid, stay home.

If half the deaths are in long term care that means we lose a million in nursing homes and a million others.

Except we only have 1.5 million in nursing homes and we aren't seeing a 60% mortality rate in the nursing homes. Your numbers don't work.

 

[Emily Lake]

Oooooh, my first ever negative rep!

He gave me my first one too. Does anyone else even bother?

I assume someone does... It looked like Half-life's rep was ALL negative. But perhaps I'm misinterpreting the string of little red blocks under his title.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Oooooh, my first ever negative rep!

He gave me my first one too. Does anyone else even bother?

I assume someone does... It looked like Half-life's rep was ALL negative. But perhaps I'm misinterpreting the string of little red blocks under his title.

You understand the blocks, not the system.

Those blocks show the sum of the rep received, it is not broken out into positive and negative. Person A has 500 points of negative rep. Person B has 10,000 points of positive rep and 10,500 points of negative rep. You'll see exactly the same blocks-- -500 points worth.

 

[bilby]

I assume someone does... It looked like Half-life's rep was ALL negative. But perhaps I'm misinterpreting the string of little red blocks under his title.

You understand the blocks, not the system.

Those blocks show the sum of the rep received, it is not broken out into positive and negative. Person A has 500 points of negative rep. Person B has 10,000 points of positive rep and 10,500 points of negative rep. You'll see exactly the same blocks-- -500 points worth.

But as a single up rep might be worth fifty or even a hundred points (if it comes from a member of longstanding, and with a high rep score themselves); While a single down rep is worth -1 points regardless of who gives it, it is VERY difficult to amass a significantly negative reputation if you have a history of receiving both up and down reps.

10,000 points of positive rep is fairly easily acquired; 10,000 points of negative rep would require a massive number of downvotes.

So anyone whose aggregate score is negative certainly gets at least fifty or so down reps for each up rep they get - or their up rep only comes from members who joined recently.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Yesterday bars opened in Copenhagen. Interestingly populated mostly by young people. Anybody 30+ seemed to stay home. No, I didn't go out partying yesterday. I use my art studio as my office now and I cycle home after work. I live downtown at the centre of the party area.

 

[DrZoidberg]

BBC News - Coronavirus: What's going wrong in Sweden's care homes?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52704836

Here's a BBC article about what an absolute shit show Swedish attempts to protect high risk patients have been.

The problem isn't the national low restriction attitude. The problem is the almost complete lack of protective gear to geriatric nurses. Belgium had the same problem for the same reasons, and they went into lockdown. Whoops.

Lesson to be learned, better safe than sorry. Penny pinching is not always a good thing

 

[Emily Lake]

I assume someone does... It looked like Half-life's rep was ALL negative. But perhaps I'm misinterpreting the string of little red blocks under his title.

You understand the blocks, not the system.

Those blocks show the sum of the rep received, it is not broken out into positive and negative. Person A has 500 points of negative rep. Person B has 10,000 points of positive rep and 10,500 points of negative rep. You'll see exactly the same blocks-- -500 points worth.

I think you've misunderstood. marc asked "Does anyone else even bother?", implying that TWizzle is the only person who gives out negative reps. Given that Half-Life's rep was very, very negative... I'm assuming that he's received negative reps from someone other than just TWizzle. I understand that rep is based on the aggregate.

 

[lpetrich]

Rep. Nydia Velazquez on Twitter: "BREAKING: The IRS has created a new hotline you can use if you are waiting on your economic impact payment.
You can call 1-800-919-9835 and get answers on the status of your payment. They have automated services and are adding call center representatives, now." / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Great news!
You can now get a COVID test for FREE at any CityMD in NYC.
Uninsured? No problem.
No appointment? Walk in!
This is how it should be.
If you believe you have COVID symptoms or exposure, get tested.
Essential workers can get tested anytime: https://t.co/1zurxxwl9y" / Twitter
noting
CityMD Offering Free COVID-19 Testing to Uninsured New Yorkers | Astoria Post

NYC has been very badly hit by the virus, so that is welcome. How about where you live?

 

[horhangi]

So 9 weeks in and wife is unemployed, she works as a waitress. Unemployment benefits still pending for 8 weeks now. Can’t even get a response on why the delay. Fortunately as a teacher I am still working from home and getting paid and we can get by without her income. If we needed her income to get by on a monthly basis we would be screwed. California’s unemployment system is hopelessly broken it appears.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So 9 weeks in and wife is unemployed, she works as a waitress. Unemployment benefits still pending for 8 weeks now. Can’t even get a response on why the delay. Fortunately as a teacher I am still working from home and getting paid and we can get by without her income. If we needed her income to get by on a monthly basis we would be screwed. California’s unemployment system is hopelessly broken it appears.

Yeah, the unemployment systems have been having problems.

There's also been the problem of a huge number of fraudulent applications.

 

[bilby]

So 9 weeks in and wife is unemployed, she works as a waitress. Unemployment benefits still pending for 8 weeks now. Can’t even get a response on why the delay. Fortunately as a teacher I am still working from home and getting paid and we can get by without her income. If we needed her income to get by on a monthly basis we would be screwed. California’s unemployment system is hopelessly broken it appears.

Yeah, the unemployment systems have been having problems.

There's also been the problem of a huge number of fraudulent applications.

Citation needed.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, we are being told to come back to the office June 1st. They are allowing offices to do their own thing (ie, we don't have that much of a protocol) and personal screenings are to be done at home... with what thermometer? There are several things they haven't thought of, and I can't imagine this working too easily.

So 9 weeks in and wife is unemployed, she works as a waitress. Unemployment benefits still pending for 8 weeks now. Can’t even get a response on why the delay. Fortunately as a teacher I am still working from home and getting paid and we can get by without her income. If we needed her income to get by on a monthly basis we would be screwed. California’s unemployment system is hopelessly broken it appears.

Yeah, the unemployment systems have been having problems.

There's also been the problem of a huge number of fraudulent applications.

Citation needed.

For $600 extra a week, I can see that being a problem and fraud occurring. Of course, Publicly traded companies applied for small business loans and got them, and the aggregate of money there is likely going to be much higher than the unemployment fraud.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

I assume someone does... It looked like Half-life's rep was ALL negative. But perhaps I'm misinterpreting the string of little red blocks under his title.

You understand the blocks, not the system.

Those blocks show the sum of the rep received, it is not broken out into positive and negative. Person A has 500 points of negative rep. Person B has 10,000 points of positive rep and 10,500 points of negative rep. You'll see exactly the same blocks-- -500 points worth.

I think you've misunderstood. marc asked "Does anyone else even bother?", implying that TWizzle is the only person who gives out negative reps. Given that Half-Life's rep was very, very negative... I'm assuming that he's received negative reps from someone other than just TWizzle. I understand that rep is based on the aggregate.

I have never bothered to learn how to negative rep anybody. I am probably not the only lazy sod here. That is probably why half-life's rep isn't even lower.

 

[Emily Lake]

I have never bothered to learn how to negative rep anybody. I am probably not the only lazy sod here. That is probably why half-life's rep isn't even lower.

Not really anything to learn. Just change the radio button from "I approve" which is the default, to "I disapprove" which is immediately below that.

I don't think I've ever neg repped anyone. Seems just not worth the bother. I'm usually (now that i'm older anyway) able to just let it be and move on with my life. I usually give positive rep when I agree with someone, but I don't have anything to add that merits its own post... or when it's something that is extremely well expressed.