Forgery suspect killed by cop restricting his airway

[Toni]

If you incentivize bad behavoir, you get more bad behavior.

*cough crisis actor cough*

There it is. The refusal to accept the consequences for bad decisions.

The demonstrations arose as a direct result of police actions. The demonstrations devolved into riots because of police actions: tear gas, rubber bullets. Police officers in dressed in black, wearing face masks started the destruction by casually and deliberately breaking windows. Not just one. Multiple agents. White supremists and other outside agitators have escalated and perpetuated the riots that are springing up are the direct consequence of the bad decisions of our cities and states to allow bad actors to put on uniforms and act as agents of ‘law and order’ but instead substituting their own prejudices, fear, cowardice, insecurities and rage for the law and order they purport to represent.

When the government that is supposed to represent and protect us instead callously murders us, this is absolute predictable.

 

[Trausti]

If you incentivize bad behavoir, you get more bad behavior.

Most cops are good cops and they're not racists. And if they are they are professional enough and so can manage their instinctive prejudices. The problem is that police have not been held accountable when these incidents have occurred. Therefore these incidents continue to occur.

So I agree with you, that when you incentivize the type of behavior that got this guy killed you continue to get more of the same. Officers and their departments in the past have always protected each other, no matter what. Let's hope that continues to change.

Right. There is no systemic police brutality. There are bad apples. EVERY organization has bad apples. A better plan is to reduce the power of police unions to protect unfit officers. Rather than loot the Target for a 40 inch TV and claim it’s for justice.

 

[Toni]

If you incentivize bad behavoir, you get more bad behavior.

Most cops are good cops and they're not racists. And if they are they are professional enough and so can manage their instinctive prejudices. The problem is that police have not been held accountable when these incidents have occurred. Therefore these incidents continue to occur.

So I agree with you, that when you incentivize the type of behavior that got this guy killed you continue to get more of the same. Officers and their departments in the past have always protected each other, no matter what. Let's hope that continues to change.

Right. There is no systemic police brutality. There are bad apples. EVERY organization has bad apples. A better plan is to reduce the power of police unions to protect unfit officers. Rather than loot the Target for a 40 inch TV and claim it’s for justice.

Of course your answer is to get rid in unions. Not better training. Not ongoing training. Not swift and immediate discipline for any officer who breaks the law or uses excessive force.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

'No Blame?' ABC News finds 54 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.

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[repoman]

Ethnomasochistic cucks

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-officials-canceled-segregated-meetings-for-city-staffers-marking-slavery-anniversary/510826012/

 

[Derec]

Wife of officer charged with murder of George Floyd announces she's divorcing him

 

[Jokodo]

If you incentivize bad behavoir, you get more bad behavior.

Most cops are good cops and they're not racists. And if they are they are professional enough and so can manage their instinctive prejudices. The problem is that police have not been held accountable when these incidents have occurred. Therefore these incidents continue to occur.

So I agree with you, that when you incentivize the type of behavior that got this guy killed you continue to get more of the same. Officers and their departments in the past have always protected each other, no matter what. Let's hope that continues to change.

Right. There is no systemic police brutality. There are bad apples. EVERY organization has bad apples. A better plan is to reduce the power of police unions to protect unfit officers. Rather than loot the Target for a 40 inch TV and claim it’s for justice.

Whether it would help or not, few if any of the looters are in any position to restrict the power of police unions, and those who are haven't bothered to do so for the last half century. Maybe looting its exactly what it takes to get them if there asses?

 

[Jokodo]

Wife of officer charged with murder of George Floyd announces she's divorcing him

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WTF? are you suggesting women are morally obliged to show solidarity with a violence-prone husband when he finally gets into trouble for his violent nature?

 

[Toni]

Wife of officer charged with murder of George Floyd announces she's divorcing him

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WTF? are you suggesting women are morally obliged to show solidarity with a violence-prone husband when he finally gets into trouble for his violent nature?

Not so much as that women are all disloyal hoes.

 

[TSwizzle]

It's clearly a case of excessive force.

I agree with that, that’s the very least. But without a cause of death it’s a bit premature to call it murder.

The jury, as the trier of fact, is going to adjudicate whether it's murder. The video provides clear probable cause.

The video provides clear evidence of use of excessive force and not much more.

The autopsy isn't going to conclude he committed murder, and guilt doesn't get established before an arrest. Nor would it have shown he died of some unrelated cause.

Hmm, not sure about that yet. Initial investigation says he didn’t die of asphyxiation so more evidence will need to be provided.

Now that it's out - what say you? Is it conclusive he's a murder or conclusive he's not?

Without a cause of death it remains inconclusive for me.

Or do cops just always get a pass unless they preemptively admit guilt because they have special rules? Last I checked laws applied equally to law enforcement. The autopsy won't tell you if this was a moral or necessary act.

Chauvin is not getting a pass. There will be consequences for him and his fellow officers in attendance.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why do you say that?

Because we know Soros' "Open Society Foundation" has been funding "Black Lives Matter"-type groups.

Black Lives Matter != Black Bloc

 

[Rhea]

If you incentivize bad behavoir, you get more bad behavior.

Yes, police brutality predictably tells the populace that the police do not exist to serve and protect.

Look at where the rioting and destruction is happening. In cities where the rioters know the Woke polity will stand down leaving the sheep to the wolves.

And look where the brutality from police happens. Perhaps often in places where the police are protected from any abuse? It happens all over, it only gets protested in the "woke" cities?

 

[Deepak]

Truly this is the end of the American experiment. I mean there’s just no way to recover from the state of affairs other than to dissolve the Union.

I mean it’s just utterly incomprehensible what we could ever do. Really, the collective intelligence of the American right has been tapped dry and it simply isn’t possible to understand what course of action could even begin to help

 

[Rhea]

If you incentivize bad behavoir, you get more bad behavior.

Most cops are good cops and they're not racists. And if they are they are professional enough and so can manage their instinctive prejudices. The problem is that police have not been held accountable when these incidents have occurred. Therefore these incidents continue to occur.

So I agree with you, that when you incentivize the type of behavior that got this guy killed you continue to get more of the same. Officers and their departments in the past have always protected each other, no matter what. Let's hope that continues to change.

Right. There is no systemic police brutality. There are bad apples. EVERY organization has bad apples. A better plan is to reduce the power of police unions to protect unfit officers. Rather than loot the Target for a 40 inch TV and claim it’s for justice.

There is no systemic protester violence. There are bad apples.
Some of those bad apples have been shown to be non-protesters, but rather agitators.

A better plan is to police for those white agitators and not fire on, say, medic tents.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Most if not all of the cases #BLM protested were ones in which non-lethal options for protecting the public, enforcing laws, and arresting suspects were available but not used.

In the discussions we had, there was a lot of semantic quibbling over the term 'justified'. You and Loren were looking for the exact moment when the use of lethal force was allowable under the law and using it to argue the use of lethal force was therefore justified. I and others were looking for indications it was actually necessary, and finding none, argued that the use of lethal force was not justified.

We are looking at the law as the question is whether they committed a crime. You have to look at it from the vantage point of what the people involved knew, not what we know in hindsight..

And I'm sure you remember the eyewitnesses who said Michael Brown's hand were up. They are a lot more credible on that point than you.

You chose to believe witnesses with low credibility. It doesn't matter anyway--having one's hands up doesn't magically make one harmless. It's a symbol of surrender but it's not proof of surrender. Actions speak louder than words--advancing trumps hands up.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why do you say that?

Is this a serious question?

My question was on target--his claim did not hold up. He's equating BLM with black bloc.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Remember when there was a black guy President and conservatives were like "He was born in Africa!!!111!" and then they were screaming about ACORN and then they were showing up at legislative town halls with automatic weapons and they were screaming about how the government can't be tyranny and they had flags with Don't Tread on Me Snake because snakes bite back and they referenced the Boston Massacre and other murders of white people by government employees and they were yelling Thomas Jefferson quotes like "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of innocents and tyrants. It is its natural manure???"

Then, suddenly black (and white) people get mad about a murder of a black person in the context of centuries of oppression and suddenly the conservatives are like "THEY ARE STEALING TV'S and breaking police car windshields!!!11!! What terrible people!"

 

[Trausti]

Look at where the rioting and destruction is happening. In cities where the rioters know the Woke polity will stand down leaving the sheep to the wolves.

And look where the brutality from police happens. Perhaps often in places where the police are protected from any abuse? It happens all over, it only gets protested in the "woke" cities?

Police brutality can happen anywhere their is an unfit cop. Protests only happen when it fits the narrative.

 

[laughing dog]

Look at where the rioting and destruction is happening. In cities where the rioters know the Woke polity will stand down leaving the sheep to the wolves.

And look where the brutality from police happens. Perhaps often in places where the police are protected from any abuse? It happens all over, it only gets protested in the "woke" cities?

Police brutality can happen anywhere their is an unfit cop. Protests only happen when it fits the narrative.

If the narrative fits, then what's your point? Your responses indicate ignorance of the situation. The Minneapolis Police have earned a reputation for bigotry and violence among the minority communities. And, as an organization, it has done little to foster better relations (www.themarshallproject.org/2020/05/28/before-george-floyd-s-death-minneapolis-police-failed-to-adopt-reforms-remove-bad-officers?utm_source=pocket-newtab)

 

[Elixir]

There are bad apples. EVERY organization has bad apples.

Right, just ask MBS.

The actual solution would be to raise the minimum starting wage for policemen/women into six figures, along with teachers.

As long as those are poor people's jobs you'll get crappy teachers and cops. If we could make those jobs respectable, requiring the level of training, testing and performance as doctors or at least lawyers, we could have some quality people prevailing over the barrels of law enforcement apples.

As it is, one rotten apple spoils the barrel because they all start with inadequate training, insufficient qualification standards and an inability to live decently in the United States on a cop's starting salary. They're half-rotten apples already, slaves of the billionaire class just like almost everyone else. All they have is their fraternity. It's their lives on the line every day and nobody but their "brothers" are going to protect them, so fuck everyone else. Pretty basic.