Forgery suspect killed by cop restricting his airway

[Trausti]

Police brutality can happen anywhere their is an unfit cop. Protests only happen when it fits the narrative.

If the narrative fits, then what's your point? Your responses indicate ignorance of the situation. The Minneapolis Police have earned a reputation for bigotry and violence among the minority communities. And, as an organization, it has done little to foster better relations (www.themarshallproject.org/2020/05/28/before-george-floyd-s-death-minneapolis-police-failed-to-adopt-reforms-remove-bad-officers?utm_source=pocket-newtab)

More White people are killed by police than any other group. Can you name two?

 

[Toni]

Police brutality can happen anywhere their is an unfit cop. Protests only happen when it fits the narrative.

If the narrative fits, then what's your point? Your responses indicate ignorance of the situation. The Minneapolis Police have earned a reputation for bigotry and violence among the minority communities. And, as an organization, it has done little to foster better relations (www.themarshallproject.org/2020/05/28/before-george-floyd-s-death-minneapolis-police-failed-to-adopt-reforms-remove-bad-officers?utm_source=pocket-newtab)

More White people are killed by police than any other group. Can you name two?

So what you’re saying is that white people should be joining with our brothers and sisters of color to demand police reform. I agree.

 

[ZiprHead]

Why do you say that?

Because we know Soros' "Open Society Foundation" has been funding "Black Lives Matter"-type groups.

Citation, please.

 

[lpetrich]

Eryn Bennett on Twitter: "This was in Eugene last night. I think rebellions and riots historically have produced change. But not when white kids steal the mission from black folks. Especially when a black woman is begging them to stop. It is our time to listen and follow their lead. Not hijack." / Twitter
noting
Selena Adera on Twitter: "After failing to appropriate the Black People's Party, entitled white kids appropriated our fight yesterday, and made it dirty.
Then they left us to deal with the police violence they stoked.
Listen to the Black Woman desperately begging them to stop. https://t.co/uYaVS4QKQr" / Twitter

Whitney Calvin on Twitter: "This is Eugene, OR. Disgusting & heartbreaking. Please listen to our allies. #BlackLivesMatter" / Twitter

Joseph Hoyt on Twitter: "This was Eugene, Oregon, last night. In Portland, people broke into an Apple store and looted MacBooks, iPhones and more. Looting has been seen all over the country. It’s clear, amidst these protests, that there are opportunists and agents of destruction seizing the moment." / Twitter
noting
BlackAzizaNANsi on Twitter: "My heart hurts watching this. I don't know what their motive is or who organized these white people to come out, but they don't care about us. That one woman is about to burst into tears and they won't even look at her... https://t.co/35Hz5ldAaC" / Twitter

Depressing

 

[RVonse]

Then, suddenly black (and white) people get mad about a murder of a black person in the context of centuries of oppression and suddenly the conservatives are like "THEY ARE STEALING TV'S and breaking police car windshields!!!11!! What terrible people!"

Because you can not justify that form of protest and still have rule of law for everyone else. Furthermore, some of the business being rioted are black owned so those are individuals actually become victims twice, unjustly punished by both the police and the rioters. If you want some sort of satisfaction with the police you should be engaging with those people directly and not stealing tv's from third parties. And that was how it was done in the wild west before rule of law became wide spread. You fought the guy you had an issue with and left the town bar alone.

 

[RVonse]

There are bad apples. EVERY organization has bad apples.

Right, just ask MBS.

The actual solution would be to raise the minimum starting wage for policemen/women into six figures, along with teachers.

They should at least be making what the average fireman makes. If you count the incredible obscene pensions that they are promised, most policemen and teachers do make good incomes. Most firemen are getting pensions well into the six figures. IMHO, they should get rid of all their pensions (go to 401k like private industry) and raise their salaries to what the average UAW workers earns. That would end up being a pay cut to what they are getting today, but it would be an honest above average (to the rest of the workforce) salary.

 

[lpetrich]

Public Citizen on Twitter: ".@AOC: If you're calling for an end to unrest, but not calling out police brutality, not calling for health care as a human right, not calling for an end to housing discrimination, all you're asking for is the continuation of quiet oppression. https://t.co/4qiCCxKvdl" / Twitter

More at
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Instagram: “If you want to end unrest, work to end the conditions that create it.”

Ayanna Pressley on Twitter: "Congress needs to act.
Call your member of Congress and ask them to co sponsor our resolution & demand a floor vote NOW.
In solidarity. https://t.co/ByUUKS0hEc" / Twitter
noting
Demand Accountability | Ayanna Pressley for Congress

Demand Accountability

Call your House representative right now and demand that they co-sponsor and push for a vote on Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar, Barbara Lee, and Karen Bass’s resolution to condemn police brutality, racial profiling, and use of excessive force.

I checked, and I couldn't find anything at congress.gov

So I went to AP's House site, and I found Following George Floyd Murder, Reps. Pressley, Omar, Bass, Lee, Introduce House Resolution Condemning Police Brutality | Representative Ayanna Pressley

Today, Congresswomen Ayanna Pressley (MA-07) and Ilhan Omar (MN-05), in partnership with Congresswoman Karen Bass (CA-37), Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus and Congresswoman Barbara Lee (CA-13), introduced a resolution to condemn police brutality, racial profiling and the excessive use of force. The resolution comes days after the murder of George Floyd by police officers in Minneapolis, as well as the recent murder of Breonna Taylor by police in Louisville, Kentucky and the hundreds of other lives robbed by police violence.

The resolution itself: untitled - A Resolution Condemning Police Brutality_0.pdf - no official number.

 

[Derec]

WTF? are you suggesting women are morally obliged to show solidarity with a violence-prone husband when he finally gets into trouble for his violent nature?

What evidence is there that he is "violence-prone"? He has two police shootings on his record, both justified. In one case, the perp stabbed two people and pointed a shotgun at police. In the other one, a perp who was smacking his girlfriend around went for Chauviin's gun after he barricaded himself in a bathroom and then got shot. Btw., he survived, plead guilt and says his ass still hurts.
There is no evidence I have seen that Chauvin is in any way "violence-prone" in his private life either.

And I think a husband/wife should show some solidarity with and loyalty to their wife/husband going through a very difficult time.

 

[lpetrich]

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "It’s ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don’t lay the blame on others!" / Twitter
then
Abby D. Phillip on Twitter: "This tweet comes as officials in Minnesota are investigating whether outsiders, including white supremacists, are inciting riots." / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "A lot of ppl are asking abt policy solutions. Here are a few:
1. Ask your mayor & city council for strong Citizen Review Boards
2. Budgets. They’re powerful. Find your city’s police budget. Compare that to the school & housing budget. More $ in fmr school-to-prison pipeline" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "3. What does mental healthcare look like in your city? Too often our prisons are used to discard ppl struggling w mental health, housing. Invest in the latter.
4. Healthcare, living wage, housing & education guarantees. Without them we feed the cycle.
What are your ideas? " / Twitter

AOC's responders had lots of ideas, like abolishing private prisons, having cops live in the communities that they serve, etc.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Congress often shies away from directly addressing police brutality.
But the 1st step to solving a problem is to name it. We cannot have a Congress too afraid to condemn brutality.
Call your member to cosponsor @AyannaPressley’s resolution. Demand a floor vote. Yes, call Dems." / Twitter
Not all Democrats are the same, as she herself has said. One shouldn't expect Democrats to automatically be on one's side in this issue.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Important.
If you are at a demonstration and something doesn’t seem right, this could be why.
Document it " / Twitter
Then a long Twitter thread by Joy-Ann Reid.

 

[repoman]

So are you saying that narcissistic white liberals are trying to be cool and gain social status by smashing up stuff?



So, would politically disinterested whites be morally superior here?

This is a fun one

https://twitter.com/KEEMSTAR/status/1266579274510864384

 

[Derec]

Public Citizen on Twitter: ".@AOC: If you're calling for an end to unrest, but not calling out police brutality, not calling for health care as a human right, not calling for an end to housing discrimination, all you're asking for is the continuation of quiet oppression. https://t.co/4qiCCxKvdl" / Twitter

I.e. she supports political violence to get what she wants.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Instagram: “If you want to end unrest, work to end the conditions that create it.”

End what exactly? There will always be controversial police shootings. Police are fallible - sometimes they will screw up. When they screw up and a white person dies, nobody bats an eye, but when it is a black person, everybody loses their minds! Other times, police did nothing wrong but the shooting is controversial because of the false narratives ("gentle giant/was spreading the word of Jesus Christ", "hands up don't shoot", "it was a book", "it was a sandwich") promulgated by the activists and the media and that can lead to rioting as well.

The resolution itself: untitled - A Resolution Condemning Police Brutality_0.pdf - no official number.

It seems the resolution is the usual leftist boilerplate we have been hearing for decades, but especially since the justified killing of St. Michael of the Blessed Swisher Sweets.

 

[lpetrich]

Joy Reid on Twitter: "Remarkable info coming out of this presser ..." / Twitter

Remarkable info coming out of this presser: Gov. Tim Walls, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter and now MN attorney general Keith Ellison ALL alleging outside forces, domestic and possibly foreign, have post-Tuesday infiltrated the state, and are

in organized fashion setting fire to historic businesses in communities of color, and causing mayhem. Ellison cited the widely circulating video of a white man in a gas mask holding an umbrella who was caught by protestors on video breaking windows.

And the governor says he has reached out to the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense, and fully mobilized the MN National Guard for the first time in 164 years. This is a continuing story and presumably we will begin hearing it echoed in other cities.

Mayor Carter said EVERY person arrested last night during the protests was from out of state. The governor said it is at least 80 percent, and that they will begin releasing the names. Dept of Safety Commissioner John Harrington says they are contract-tracing arrestees:

He adds that white nationalist groups are posting messages promoting going to Minneapolis to “get our loot on” and cause mayhem. He says they will investigate those using the outrage over the murder of George Floyd as a “cover” for illegal activity

Gov. Walls acknowledged the legitimate “rage and anger” over the police-involved killing but “last night was a mockery of pretending it’s about George Floyd’s death or about disparities.”

This pressure just gets more remarkable. Mayor Frey says on Tuesday the protests were very different. He says the masks worn by the protests after they morphed were about disguise, not covid safety.

Mayor Carter says they saw mayhem starters throw incendiary devices and then run behind legit protesters and “use them as a human shield.” He says being out after curfew allows yourself to be used.

This is now a story not just about grief, anger, protest, George Floyd and Black Lives Matter, it’s about infiltration and deliberate mayhem inflicted on the very communities that are hurting — both because of police brutality, and due to cove—per the mayor 1,000 deaths to date.

Interesting. But I'd like some documentation of that, like white supremacists being caught in the act.

 

[repoman]

Any rational discernment you are applying to these claims. lpetrich?

 

[Elixir]

There are bad apples. EVERY organization has bad apples.

Right, just ask MBS.

The actual solution would be to raise the minimum starting wage for policemen/women into six figures, along with teachers.

They should at least be making what the average fireman makes. If you count the incredible obscene pensions that they are promised, most policemen and teachers do make good incomes. Most firemen are getting pensions well into the six figures. IMHO, they should get rid of all their pensions (go to 401k like private industry) and raise their salaries to what the average UAW workers earns. That would end up being a pay cut to what they are getting today, but it would be an honest above average (to the rest of the workforce) salary.

There's a lot of turnover in out local PD and Sheriff's Dept. It's hard to keep young people trying to raise families on <40k/yr, let alone bright young people. Big cities might be different. But my point stands. "As much as a firefighter" isn't enough.

 

[Derec]

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "It’s ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don’t lay the blame on others!" / Twitter
then
Abby D. Phillip on Twitter: "This tweet comes as officials in Minnesota are investigating whether outsiders, including white supremacists, are inciting riots." / Twitter

Just because some of the people in the riots have been white does not mean it is a false flag operation by white supremacists. There are plenty of whites who are #BLM supporters or who are part of groups such as Antifa.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "A lot of ppl are asking abt policy solutions. Here are a few:
1. Ask your mayor & city council for strong Citizen Review Boards

I am skeptical of these "Citizen Review Boards". Even in the best case scenario, civilians know little of police work and this cannot be expected to judge proper vs. improper police behavior very well. But in the worst case scenario, those board could be filled with police haters who would deliberately find against police officers in shootings they know are legit.

2. Budgets. They’re powerful. Find your city’s police budget. Compare that to the school & housing budget. More $ in fmr school-to-prison pipeline" / Twitter

You can't compare budgets directly like that as they are for very different things.
And "school to prison pipeline" is one of those propaganda things that don't mean much really. Sure, many of those who get in disciplinary trouble in school escalate it and end up in prison.
But what does AOC propose to do about it? Give them a pass?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "3. What does mental healthcare look like in your city? Too often our prisons are used to discard ppl struggling w mental health, housing. Invest in the latter.

I would agree that we need more mental healthcare, but funding it is not the only matter. We also need to change laws to enable the authorities to get people who need it committed involuntarily. Right now that's very difficult to do so what ends up happening is that we wait until they get caught for some crime.

4. Healthcare, living wage, housing & education guarantees. Without them we feed the cycle.

What is "education guarantee" exactly? In US every kid can get K-12 education. But that is only a benefit if those kids take advantage of it. If they skip school on the regular, get suspended for fighting etc., and end up not graduating, should they still be guaranteed a diploma even if they learned less than an average 5th grader?

AOC's responders had lots of ideas, like abolishing private prisons, having cops live in the communities that they serve, etc.

Not bad, although the second may be impractical. Would you force a cop to move to a different community or lower standards if you can't get enough qualified applicants from a particular community?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Congress often shies away from directly addressing police brutality.
But the 1st step to solving a problem is to name it. We cannot have a Congress too afraid to condemn brutality.

"Police brutality" is an overstated problem. To the left, any police shootings of black suspects are "police brutality".

 

[Derec]

Not so much as that women are all disloyal hoes.

#NotAllWomen. But this particular one is disloyal. I also heard she is the sister of one of the other cops. I wonder if she will disown her brother too ...

 

[Derec]

Black Lives Matter != Black Bloc

They are not the same, sure, but they are both on the far left end of the spectrum.

 

[Derec]

Then, suddenly black (and white) people get mad about a murder of a black person in the context of centuries of oppression and suddenly the conservatives are like "THEY ARE STEALING TV'S and breaking police car windshields!!!11!! What terrible people!"

Rioters and looters are terrible people.

What does looting a jewelry or fashion store in Atlanta have to do with somebody getting killed in Minneapolis?
They just want "free" stuff.

 

[laughing dog]

Not so much as that women are all disloyal hoes.

#NotAllWomen. But this particular one is disloyal. I also heard she is the sister of one of the other cops. I wonder if she will disown her brother too ...

I seriously doubt that this event by itself drove the wife to divorce - this is probably the last and large straw.

But calling this woman a "ho" is par for your disgraceful course.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Joy Reid on Twitter: "Remarkable info coming out of this presser ..." / Twitter

Remarkable info coming out of this presser: Gov. Tim Walls, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter and now MN attorney general Keith Ellison ALL alleging outside forces, domestic and possibly foreign, have post-Tuesday infiltrated the state, and are

in organized fashion setting fire to historic businesses in communities of color, and causing mayhem. Ellison cited the widely circulating video of a white man in a gas mask holding an umbrella who was caught by protestors on video breaking windows.

And the governor says he has reached out to the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense, and fully mobilized the MN National Guard for the first time in 164 years. This is a continuing story and presumably we will begin hearing it echoed in other cities.

Mayor Carter said EVERY person arrested last night during the protests was from out of state. The governor said it is at least 80 percent, and that they will begin releasing the names. Dept of Safety Commissioner John Harrington says they are contract-tracing arrestees:

He adds that white nationalist groups are posting messages promoting going to Minneapolis to “get our loot on” and cause mayhem. He says they will investigate those using the outrage over the murder of George Floyd as a “cover” for illegal activity

Gov. Walls acknowledged the legitimate “rage and anger” over the police-involved killing but “last night was a mockery of pretending it’s about George Floyd’s death or about disparities.”

This pressure just gets more remarkable. Mayor Frey says on Tuesday the protests were very different. He says the masks worn by the protests after they morphed were about disguise, not covid safety.

Mayor Carter says they saw mayhem starters throw incendiary devices and then run behind legit protesters and “use them as a human shield.” He says being out after curfew allows yourself to be used.

This is now a story not just about grief, anger, protest, George Floyd and Black Lives Matter, it’s about infiltration and deliberate mayhem inflicted on the very communities that are hurting — both because of police brutality, and due to cove—per the mayor 1,000 deaths to date.

Interesting. But I'd like some documentation of that, like white supremacists being caught in the act.

...or if Barr announces that the DoJ declines to investigate?