My city, Minneapolis, On Fire: a story about white nationalism and it's consequences

[Metaphor]

Jarhyn, how much of your OP is based on firsthand knowledge?

Jarhyn speaks for everyone in Minneapolis. He doesn't "mourn" Wells Fargo or Target being burned, and neither does any person in Minneapolis.

 

[Politesse]

Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down?

 

[Toni]

Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down?

It’s not just a bank. It’s Wells Fargo which deserves its own ring in hell.

 

[Deepak]

Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down?

It’s not just a bank. It’s Wells Fargo which deserves its own ring in hell.

I don't think any of the employees of Wells Fargo would disagree

 

[Metaphor]

Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down?

The owner of the building, the shareholders/owners of the bank, the employees of the bank, the customers of the bank, and possibly any human being who doesn't sadistically take pleasure in the destruction of someone else's property?

 

[Metaphor]

Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down?

It’s not just a bank. It’s Wells Fargo which deserves its own ring in hell.

So we can add you to the 'approvingly pleased at the illegal and immoral destruction of private property' crowd.

 

[Axulus]

What exactly is meant by "not mourning".

Does it mean that they don't think police should stop the destruction of businesses whose destruction isn't mourned?

Does it mean those responsible shouldn't be held criminally liable?

Or does it mean they just don't really care about the destruction, but still respect the idea that the act is criminal and should be prevented and prosecuted? I think this is fine as people can't really control their emotions in such a situation.

What if it is white nationalists doing the destruction? Does that change whether the destruction would be mourned or not?

 

[Politesse]

Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down?

The owner of the building, the shareholders/owners of the bank, the employees of the bank, the customers of the bank, and possibly any human being who doesn't sadistically take pleasure in the destruction of someone else's property?

I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it. They definitely don't have any respect for "someone else's property".

 

[Metaphor]

Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down?

The owner of the building, the shareholders/owners of the bank, the employees of the bank, the customers of the bank, and possibly any human being who doesn't sadistically take pleasure in the destruction of someone else's property?

I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it.

If Wells Fargo have stolen your shit and lied about it, I would say at the very least you should stop being a customer.

You'll have to ask Jarhyn why he doesn't "mourn" Wells Fargo or Target. Why did he mention not mourning them? He appears to be saying "there's nothing to be upset about". Or, "there are businesses that we might "mourn", but these businesses are not it, so there's nothing to be upset about".

I'd also like to ask Jarhyn why he thinks he speaks for everyone in Minneapolis.

 

[Politesse]

I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it.

If Wells Fargo have stolen your shit and lied about it, I would say at the very least you should stop being a customer.

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it.

If Wells Fargo have stolen your shit and lied about it, I would say at the very least you should stop being a customer.

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

Bank rates are at an all time low. How much do you think would be appropriate to charge in order to recoup your expenses if you were a bank?

 

[Toni]

Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down?

It’s not just a bank. It’s Wells Fargo which deserves its own ring in hell.

I don't think any of the employees of Wells Fargo would disagree

Absolutely.

Nor would a significant number of their customers. Honestly, I don’t understand how they still have any customers.

 

[Toni]

I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it.

If Wells Fargo have stolen your shit and lied about it, I would say at the very least you should stop being a customer.

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

I have really had a great experience with my (up until just very recently) locally owned bank. Now that it’s been taken over, I will have to see. If things go down hill, I will be switching all of my accounts to a local credit union. If you have a local credit union, you should check it out.

 

[Jarhyn]

I don't think any of the employees of Wells Fargo would disagree

Absolutely.

Nor would a significant number of their customers. Honestly, I don’t understand how they still have any customers.

Predatory lending practices, mostly. And advertising. And occasionally selective placement (the one in my neighborhood was pretty much the ONLY bank in the area).

At any rate, I'm going to attempt to put together support through our City Councilman, who I've developed a rapport with via our community watch, for a community credit union. I think we could pull it off; we already pulled off a community coop to end our Ward's 'food desert' status, and it's one of the most jealously patrolled and guarded structures in the neighborhood.

Of course most of the information about who is attacking our community arises through confidential channels associated with our community watch. I honestly wouldn't trust certain folks here with specific details because knowing them, I wouldn't trust them not to attempt to contact the terrorists who are targeting north Minneapolis and divulge what is known about them; it would possibly also compromise actual federal investigations that have been opened.

 

[Metaphor]

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

I have really had a great experience with my (up until just very recently) locally owned bank. Now that it’s been taken over, I will have to see. If things go down hill, I will be switching all of my accounts to a local credit union. If you have a local credit union, you should check it out.

I agree with Toni for once.

America has scores of banks, building societies, and credit unions. If you are unhappy with yours, search for a better deal.

If you cannot find one, it means that what you are searching for doesn't exist, and you should perhaps re-evaluate how reasonable your expectations are.

I've changed my mortgage provider twice in three years. It was a fucking hassle each time--I hate bureaucratic paperwork--but if customers are lazy (loyal is interchangeable with lazy here), corporations will exploit it.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

I have really had a great experience with my (up until just very recently) locally owned bank. Now that it’s been taken over, I will have to see. If things go down hill, I will be switching all of my accounts to a local credit union. If you have a local credit union, you should check it out.

I agree with Toni for once.

America has scores of banks, building societies, and credit unions. If you are unhappy with yours, search for a better deal.

If you cannot find one, it means that what you are searching for doesn't exist, and you should perhaps re-evaluate how reasonable your expectations are.

I've changed my mortgage provider twice in three years. It was a fucking hassle each time--I hate bureaucratic paperwork--but if customers are lazy (loyal is interchangeable with lazy here), corporations will exploit it.

It's awesome to have a relationship with your bank. I've been with the same bank for five years. My RM is awesome. She knows me, knows the business. I got my PPP in the first round. More importantly, whenever we need something, she's there. I could probably get a better rate if I shopped, but having a relationship is more important to me.

 

[Jarhyn]

Just heard back from my councilman, and a POC-community credit union is already on their way into the neighborhood, within the next year or so.

So what was that again about how it was contradictory to not mourn the loss of predatory businesses yet also dismay at the "desert" status of the community? How
such things prevent communities from having good access to services?

Because it looks to me like we just got an upgrade.

 

[Trausti]

Just heard back from my councilman, and a POC-community credit union is already on their way into the neighborhood, within the next year or so.

So what was that again about how it was contradictory to not mourn the loss of predatory businesses yet also dismay at the "desert" status of the community? How
such things prevent communities from having good access to services?

Because it looks to me like we just got an upgrade.

So true. Detroit prospered after the ‘60’s riots.

 

[Metaphor]

Just heard back from my councilman, and a POC-community credit union is already on their way into the neighborhood, within the next year or so.

So what was that again about how it was contradictory to not mourn the loss of predatory businesses


yet also dismay at the "desert" status of the community? How
such things prevent communities from having good access to services?

Because it looks to me like we just got an upgrade.

Don't stop there! There might be other businesses you can drive out of your neighbourhood with arson.

 

[Toni]

I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it.

If Wells Fargo have stolen your shit and lied about it, I would say at the very least you should stop being a customer.

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

I have really had a great experience with my (up until just very recently) locally owned bank. Now that it’s been taken over, I will have to see. If things go down hill, I will be switching all of my accounts to a local credit union. If you have a local credit union, you should check it out.